Posted on 03/08/2014 7:02:43 AM PST by Steven Tyler
So far, just a repeat of the 7 minute video. Wait and see, I imagine BR and Post & Email will get a few hits this weekend
Mar. 7, 2014) — BirtherReport.com and The Post & Email can report that an exclusive interview was conducted on Friday evening with Barrister Michael Shrimpton, who first appeared in a video released on February 26, 2014 stating unequivocally that Barack Hussein Obama "was born in Mombasa, Kenya."
Topics discussed during the two-hour interview include the meaning of the U.S. Constitution's Article II "natural born Citizen" clause;....; what is really driving the unrest in Ukraine; the death of novelist Tom Clancy; and the actions Shrimpton believes should be taken as a result of Obama's usurpation of the presidency.
"He's not a U.S. citizen," Shrimpton told BirtherReport and this writer in a riveting session conducted over Skype.
(Excerpt) Read more at birtherreport.com ...
If the home country in 1780 still declared the emigree to be a citizen regardless of the person's own intent, you are suggesting that is somehow binding on the children, and then that becomes a disqualifier to the child?
-PJ
I think Nero has gone past the point of logic.
The clause is obviously broken when he admits Obama has Kenya citizenship at age 22, and is qualified to be be president. On it’s face, wrong.
Red herrings.
Seems Nero has Team Obamas argument all brushed up and ready for April.
Washington was a French national while serving as president.
I can’t wait to see Jay Carney use that one.
Team Obama is still gathering evidence to justify his election.
George Washington was a French man. So a Kenyan is OK.
After you bastardized such a simple phrase in the constitution, the sky is the limit. Just like well fare. It was never intended to be a handout for bribes for votes. But, that’s what it is now.
They have twisted the language and law into a pretzel.
Some people on this thread are forgetting that the principle behind natural born Citizenship is continuous sole allegiance from birth. Ceremonial or honorary citizenship tribute or one-sided citizenship claims made by foreign countries that are not recognized as legitimate true citizenship by either the USA citizen in question or the USA itself are illegal and bogus as far as the USA is concerned and have no effect on sole citizenship. Imagine that because of some such ridiculous one-sided claim of citizenship, some foreign nation tried to impress one of our citizens into the service of its military. We would go (and indeed have gone) to war to stop such nonsense. That anyone would seriously bring up such drivel in an attempt to fabricate precedent to legitimize aka obama or other usurper wannabes just reeks of desperation and panic.
When a alien becomes a naturalized citizen, he or she must swear (more than once, if not mistaken) *sole* allegiance to the USA, their new country. This solemn oath legally breaks all bonds to any other country as far as the USA is concerned. It doesn’t matter what some other country still claims. Those born here to two such naturalized citizens become natural born Citizens and would be defended by our government as such, regardless of any ongoing claims from the former lands of the parents.
We as a nation started getting into trouble with split allegiances when automatic derivative citizenship through marriage was dropped in the early part of the last century as a misguided part of the effort to bring equality to women (since we are a dimorphic species, strict equality is an impossibility and nothing more than a leftist’s wet dream - but I digress). The point is that this perversion of citizenship status has led to the odd situation where the children of foreign born, naturalized citizens can be more purely American than the children of nominally American hybrids, even after several generations.
The cure to this nonsense is, of course, to require that all such split citizens swear an oath of sole allegiance to the USA upon reaching the age of majority or lose their citizenship altogether. This should have been part of the same law that dropped derivative citizenship.
Love the tag line.
The word nature implies simplicity.
You can mate horse and a zebras . You get something quite complicated. Its not a horse and it’s not a zebra.
Its not natural. The DNA is so conflicting it can’t produce a subsequent generation. The animal is sterile.
You can’t fool mother nature. You can’t pollinate an apple tree with peach pollen and get natural born apple.
Patently absurd! British law can hardly make American citizens of anyone. But that's you're way, isn't it? Spreading confusion, assuming facts not in evidence, using poor grammar--that's what you do.
Until verified, non-forged evidence of Barry's parentage and other birth data is made public, no analogies may be considered valid, precedent-setting, or supporting case law for the current case in question.
HF
Two apple trees make an apple. Thats Natural. It can only produce one thing, naturally. An apple.
Cross pollinate fruit trees, you get something unnatural.
The use of the word has not changed since 1776.
No amount of obfuscation will make Obama a legal president.
He is our first illegally elected president.
Lots of people knowingly contributed their efforts to hide that fact and bring it about, nonetheless.
Many others gleefully benefited and have been pleased, therefore, to keep the illegality hidden.
Others, such as the acting-as-if-paid Obama kneepad-wearer operatives here on FR, should receive their just recompense, too.
These wrongs cry out to be undone, and many, many guilty parties must be punished. May that process be as peaceful as possible!
HF
It appears to me that you might have misunderstood what I wrote. British law made James Buchanan Senior and his son BRITISH citizens for life, not American citizens. Both Buchanans also had American citizenship by virtue of American law.
British law also made Chester A. Arthur and his father British citizens but the law was changed in 1870 so that Chester A. Arthur lost his British citizenship at that time.
British law also made Barack Obama Senior and Barack Obama II British Empire citizens (the official designation was “Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (CUKC)”), but when Kenya gained independance, both Obamas lost British Empire citizenship and gained Kenyan citizenship. Barack Obama II lost Kenyan citizenship in 1983 when he did not select it. Kenyan law did not permit dual citizenship.
The state of Hawaii has confirmed Obama’s original birth vital record and nineteen different court decisions have ruled him to qualify as a natural born citizen for Article II, Section 1 purposes.
Here’s one example of a ruling:
Purpura & Moran v Obama: New Jersey Administrative Law Judge Jeff S. Masin: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.” April 10, 2012
So I guess all of our presidents have been illegal. Since most are descendant with British blood.
I guess I’m British. I never knew.
Maybe just forget the constitution and fundamental remake the country, since it’s a down right mean country anyway.
We don’t need the free speech clause or separation of powers. We have Obama and the IRS.
I think that its the other way around. All of our presidents have been constitutionally eligible because the first seven presidents (who were born before the adoption of the Constitution) were grandfathered in to natural born citizenship status by Article II, Section 1 and the three presidents who inherited foreign citizenship from their parents through no affirmative action on their part are not and were not prohibited by law from holding office.
As I see it, ethnic heritage isn’t the issue, citizenship by virtue of place of birth is the issue.
My point is that dual-citizenship is not a disqualifier for becoming president when it was inherited through no affirmative action on the part of the individual. I base this on historical precedent and the absence of any law to the contrary.
In my humble opinion, American law prevails. No foreign nation gets to determine who is a natural born citizen of this nation.
I believe that there is a distinction between dual citizenship acquired through no action of your own (Ted Cruz’s birth in Canada or Michele Bachmann marrying a Swis citizen and automatically gaining Swiss citizenship) and taking actual steps to acquire a foreign citizenship.
For example, every Jew on the planet is a POTENTIAL Israeli citizen under the “Law of Return,” but that is different from actually going to Israel and applying for Israeli citizenship.
That is a fact not in evidence, one of many on which you've relied to build your houses of cards, as seen on FR. There is no reason to presume such an assertion from this "witness" to be true, as he has already given false testimony.
Your blathering based on lies or unsubstantiated myths from this incessantly lying WH wastes everyone's time, as you assume things to be true that most likely are false.
Barry's minions excoriate as "conspiracy theorists" well-reasoned critics that are merely left to qualify their highly probable assertions, saying that although their conclusions may diverge from the WH propaganda, given the number of times Barry has lied and/or covered up the truth about that or similar issues, WH propaganda should can no claim any presumption of truth without proper substantiation. Thus, my assertion about your wasting our time is entirely justified.
"The only people, who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide." BHO
HF
The state of Hawaii has issued three Certified Letters of Verification for Obama’s birth vital record. One for the Secretary of State in Arizona, one for the Secretary of State in Kansas and one for U.S. District Court Judge Henry Wingate in Mississippi (Taitz, et. al. v. Mississippi Democratic Party Executive Committee, Obama, et. al.)
Both Secretaries of State used the letters to approve Obama for the ballot and Judge Wingate has not yet ruled although he has had the Letter of Verification since June of 2012.
The House of Representatives included in a Resolution passed in 2009 that Obama was born in Hawaii. The resolution was passed on a vote of 378-0.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hres593ih/pdf/BILLS-111hres593ih.pdf
There has been no court decision nor action of Congress that has ruled otherwise.
Yes, Nero, If you take a dump and call it American, it can run for president. Thats why we have the clause. We really don’t dive a shit who runs the country. Now I understand.
We have Turks women coming here, giving birth,bringing the baby back to Turkey.
Under your definition, they are NBC. That is insanity my friend.
I will never agree with you.
If you succeed, and they succeed, the republic is lost.
Ben Franklin, John Jay., they were right.
A republic if you can keep it.
When do we stop calling it a republic? After one party openly uses the IRS to attack dissent? After a president changes law by himself, 20 different times? Or 10 years layer? It matters not, we lost it.
We have Turks women coming here, giving birth,bringing the baby back to Turkey.
Under your definition, they are NBC. That is insanity my friend.
I will never agree with you.
If you succeed, and they succeed, the republic is lost.
Ben Franklin, John Jay., they were right.
A republic if you can keep it.
When do we stop calling it a republic? After one party openly uses the IRS to attack dissent? After a president changes law by himself, 20 different times? Or 10 years layer? It matters not, we lost it.
Will the next president be a communist from China?
Mexico?
WTF knows.
Will he take political prisoners? Sure,why not.
Future generations are in for one he’ll of a nasty ride.
In today’s world, in order to have any chance at all to be president a person must raise at least 100 million dollars (and to win election you need half a billion at minimum).
You must do well in ten or more primary election debates against aspiring candidates of your party.
You must win at least twenty-five primaries or party caucuses to secure enough delegates to win the nomination of a major political party.
You must hold you own in three presidential debates against the opponents of other major parties or independents.
You must get at least sixty million people to vote for you in the general election.
You must accumulate 270 electoral votes.
You have to pass muster with 535 members of Congress who must certify your electoral votes when only two members (one Representative and one Senator) can challenge your electoral votes and stop the counting and certification process until the challenge is resolved in both Houses of Congress
If a person can accomplish the above, then yes its easy for just about anybody to become president.
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