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Pastor dies after confessing infidelity to congregation
UPI ^ | March. 14, 2014 | Evan Bleier

Posted on 03/16/2014 10:03:14 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows

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After telling the congregation at the Miracle Faith World Outreach Church that he had been unfaithful to his wife, Bishop Bobby Davis died.

"After the service on Sunday the bishop's family asked us to remain in the church and the bishop confessed to us something that happened long ago," church elder Judy Stovall told the Connecticut Post. "He wanted to come clean with all of us. He wanted to ask our forgiveness."

Before he died, church members were screaming at Davis to show him their support.

"We were shouting, 'We forgive you, we love you,' but the stress of all of it -- he had a heart attack," Stovall said.

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To: null and void
Perhaps someone who is actually a Christian can verify this?

You are correct.

Over the last week or so I have seen quite a few self professing "Christians" say quite a few un-Christian and un charitable things about others that claim to be Christian. I guess it really came to a head yesterday on two threads, when I saw the glee at the news that Fred Phelps Sr. is near death. Instead of praying that he gets himself right with God they are hoping he gets sent to hell and that people picket his funeral etc...

51 posted on 03/17/2014 9:01:16 AM PDT by verga (Poor spiritual health is often manifested with poor physical health.)
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To: verga

Ah the luxury of not being Christian, I can guiltlessly hope he has the particularly toasty warm seat he worked so diligently to earn...


52 posted on 03/17/2014 9:06:49 AM PDT by null and void ( Obama is Law-Less because Republican "leaders" are BALL-LESS!!)
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To: verga

I know that. But I don’t see a reason for the IF. He publicly admitted his sins. That is going the extra step.


53 posted on 03/17/2014 9:23:45 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Stop wishing for a perfect world. You may get it. Who will you talk to then?)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Hey, at least he was the only one struck down. David caused the death of 70,000 people for his infidelity.


54 posted on 03/17/2014 9:31:29 AM PDT by Londo Molari
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To: verga

Only a coward would blame the victim. He didn’t make his wife look like a fool. Most people are mature enough to realize the sin was his, and no reflection on his wife.

Hiding in a dark booth, *confessing* it to a priest, and getting a slap on the wrist, a few trips around the rosary, a few Hail Mary’s and Our Father’s and you’re good to go, is nothing compared to the courage that it takes to admit sin in front of a group of people.

He now has accountability which private confession to a priest does not offer.


55 posted on 03/17/2014 9:37:51 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: verga; metmom

“Publically embarrassing and humiliating his wife is the right thing to do?”

I have to agree with verga on this. You know that woman feels as low as dirt right now. Plus I know what people in that church are saying. “Who’s the ‘other woman’” and “which woman in the church was it?”. I can see them now gathering around talking about it! One protestant pastor that I’m friends with has a word for it, he calls it a “Holy Huddle”. Now you know that wife did not need this.

Some one brought up Clinton and that is the way it should have been. Bill told Hillary at home and Hillary threw a lamp at him. That is the way it should be no need for all of us to know and for gossip to start.


56 posted on 03/17/2014 9:38:51 AM PDT by Morgana (Wagglebee please come home we miss you!)
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To: Morgana

I know of a pastor who was removed from the pulpit for infidelity but everyone who knew was told to keep it quiet. But something like that is hard to keep quiet.

When a pastor is suddenly removed, it’s pretty obvious.

There is far less opportunity for gossip when a brief explanation is given than having someone just *disappear*.

Also, since he confessed to his wife, I’d bet that they discussed his public confession before he did it. If she hadn’t wanted him to do it, or felt it was unnecessary, she could have told him *No*.

There’s no indication in the article of whether his wife knew about this or not, but I’d say she knew it was coming and didn’t stop him.

God tells us to be sure that our sin will find us out. We can’t hide it and better our admitting it than someone else exposing it for us.


57 posted on 03/17/2014 9:48:41 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Morgana
I can see them now gathering around talking about it! One protestant pastor that I’m friends with has a word for it, he calls it a “Holy Huddle”. Now you know that wife did not need this.

I suppose that is possible but that should not be a reason for not doing what is right.

Also, if he was exposed, the same thing would have happened. It just can't be stopped.

The circles I run in, nobody would be gossiping trying to figure out who it was. Mostly the attitude is that it's nobody's business and it's irrelevant to know who was involved.

58 posted on 03/17/2014 9:51:01 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom

You are wrong on all counts. I hope you never have to experience anything like this.


59 posted on 03/17/2014 10:02:20 AM PDT by verga (Poor spiritual health is often manifested with poor physical health.)
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To: Londo Molari

He always was an overachiever.


60 posted on 03/17/2014 10:31:15 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Richard Warman censors free speech.)
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To: Lady Jag

It’s all in the timing.


61 posted on 03/17/2014 10:33:52 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Richard Warman censors free speech.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Maybe he got the “Two-Minute Warning”......

“And if I’m wrong, may God Strike me down dead.”


62 posted on 03/17/2014 10:34:41 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

And I thought I was a procrastinator.


63 posted on 03/17/2014 10:40:52 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Richard Warman censors free speech.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Of course there are pictures!

64 posted on 03/17/2014 11:07:44 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: null and void

Yes. It is true — “For even while we were enemies of Christ, he died to save us.” (Romans)

And... John 3:17 “That through Him the world would be saved and not condemned.”

Paraphrasing both, but you have the right idea. God love ALL of us. But He does not like sin.


65 posted on 03/17/2014 12:24:51 PM PDT by L,TOWM (No one in the US is free of the spirit of entitlement)
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To: martin_fierro

Is that before or after?


66 posted on 03/17/2014 2:56:09 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Richard Warman censors free speech.)
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To: metmom
“I suppose that is possible but that should not be a reason for not doing what is right.”

He sinned against his wife not them. Why do this to her? Really the best thing was for him to announce that he was stepping down and let someone else take over the church while he worked on his marriage. He need not tell anyone why. Trust me I was a protestant, once. Nothing can make a church uneasy than to know the preacher man had an affair. Even worse than to deal with the preacher's wife after all that. Talk about walking on eggshells. That is drama I seriously don't need and makes me so glad I no longer have to deal with it.

67 posted on 03/17/2014 5:32:49 PM PDT by Morgana (Wagglebee please come home we miss you!)
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To: verga; metmom

Verga please explain how metmom is wrong on all counts. Or is this another of your IFs? Tell us how you are so right.


68 posted on 03/18/2014 5:33:33 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Stop wishing for a perfect world. You may get it. Who will you talk to then?)
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To: Conspiracy Guy; metmom
Verga please explain how metmom is wrong on all counts. Or is this another of your IFs? Tell us how you are so right.

See post 48, anything else I say will not change your heart or hers.

69 posted on 03/18/2014 6:22:21 AM PDT by verga (Poor spiritual health is often manifested with poor physical health.)
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To: verga; Conspiracy Guy

Hmmm, that sounds like mind reading and making it personal to me.......


70 posted on 03/18/2014 6:45:38 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom

I am already over it. Matter of fact I was over it before you whined.


71 posted on 03/18/2014 7:15:18 AM PDT by verga (Poor spiritual health is often manifested with poor physical health.)
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To: metmom

It was weak for him to go before the congregation with his personal failing. He should have just resigned if he was that upset over it.

If I was sitting in a pew I would have told him to shut up and then walked out. I don’t want to hear this kind of stuff, especially from a preacher.

What does he think that everyone should be shocked because he is a human?

The caveat is that I don’t know enough of what happened or his intentions so you can take my comment as general.

But I do disagree with you on what is weak and what is strong in this situation. With due respect to your position, my view is the weak move was to go before the congregation with it.


72 posted on 03/18/2014 10:23:20 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom; metmom; boatbums; daniel1212; CynicalBear
It is incidents like this that make the Catholic confessional booth seem like a far better idea.

Like with Teddy Kennedy? Now there's a deathbed confession for you. He may have confessed to God and a priest (which is very very good) but did TK have the intestinal fortitude to apologize or ask forgiveness to the family of Mary Jo Kopechne? That would be akin to this bishop confessing to his congregation, friends and family. The bishop did so publicly as we have a record of it. Did TK publicly confess? I don't know if he did.

73 posted on 03/18/2014 11:41:57 AM PDT by redleghunter
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To: redleghunter

And if he didn’t confess publicly, I could see him catching flack for trying to hide his sin. A lot of public figures are criticized for not admitting they’re human also, for putting themselves up on a pedestal.

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t.


74 posted on 03/18/2014 11:59:41 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Vendome

Did House actually mean oxygen or the inability to breathe it:)


75 posted on 03/18/2014 12:00:29 PM PDT by redleghunter
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To: Conspiracy Guy
Have you never heard of confession or asking for forgiveness? He only had to get right with the Lord. He decided to get right with his congregation as well.

He wronged God by sinning. We assume he went to the cross in repentance. To "get right" with God.

He wronged his wife, family and congregation and we see he confessed his sin. He "got right" with fellow man.

76 posted on 03/18/2014 12:04:19 PM PDT by redleghunter
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To: verga

Amen!

We are responsible for the earthly consequences we create. God is longsuffering, merciful and kind. He will forgive us our tresspasses if we confess our sins. The earthly consequences of those sins live with us as you mentioned. A strained marriage or relationship with children or friends; a child from out of wedlock or adultery...take your pick.

Very wise words Mr. Verga.


77 posted on 03/18/2014 12:09:01 PM PDT by redleghunter
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To: redleghunter

Most deaths are due to no more breathing....

LOL


78 posted on 03/18/2014 12:11:47 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Who else would have known but those whom he cheated with.

Maybe....Of course!


79 posted on 03/18/2014 12:13:37 PM PDT by redleghunter
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To: verga
The article said he confessed to his wife. The next step is to tender his resignation for "personal reasons", not make her look like a fool in front the rest of the community.

I can see your point. Perhaps he could have confessed to the elders to spare his wife's shame (as a gentlemen would do for a lady). However, as a bishop his sin was against the whole congregation IMO.

80 posted on 03/18/2014 12:16:49 PM PDT by redleghunter
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To: redleghunter
I can see your point. Perhaps he could have confessed to the elders to spare his wife's shame (as a gentlemen would do for a lady). However, as a bishop his sin was against the whole congregation IMO.

First loved your post #79. Second I can see going to the Elders/Presbyters. I just don't like the idea of him humiliating his wife in public.

81 posted on 03/18/2014 12:24:11 PM PDT by verga (Poor spiritual health is often manifested with poor physical health.)
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To: verga
Instead of praying that he gets himself right with God they are hoping he gets sent to hell and that people picket his funeral etc...

Indeed...you are on a roll today. You are correct. Jesus forgave a convicted criminal as the confessing criminal was hanging on a cross dying right next to Him.

82 posted on 03/18/2014 12:37:31 PM PDT by redleghunter
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To: Londo Molari

Actually it was not David’s infidelity but his call for a census.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Samuel+24&version=NKJV

Unless you are viewing calling a census ‘infidelity.’


83 posted on 03/18/2014 12:40:39 PM PDT by redleghunter
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To: metmom; verga
Only a coward would blame the victim. He didn’t make his wife look like a fool. Most people are mature enough to realize the sin was his, and no reflection on his wife.

Frankly I see both your's and verga's arguments clearly. On the one hand if the congregation was sinned against given this man was a bishop, they needed to hear it. On the other hand the one person who was wronged was the wife and a personal confession to her and the elders (church lay leaders) may be in order. Then again maybe verga and I are men of "old cloth" in this meaning we were raised to be gentlemen and to spare a lady's honor and feelings.

The bishop had his reasons and he confessed the way he was led too. I will leave it at that.

84 posted on 03/18/2014 12:47:28 PM PDT by redleghunter
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To: verga; metmom

Did you ever entertain the idea that he and his wife may have discussed the public apology? How does his sin make her look a fool? You seem to be very opinionated.


85 posted on 03/18/2014 12:51:03 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Stop wishing for a perfect world. You may get it. Who will you talk to then?)
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To: metmom; verga

Mertmom it sounds that way to me as well


86 posted on 03/18/2014 12:52:46 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Stop wishing for a perfect world. You may get it. Who will you talk to then?)
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To: redleghunter; metmom; verga; Conspiracy Guy; gunsequalfreedom
I’m not sure how anyone can judge whether what the guy did was the correct way or not. We don’t know what involvement the wife had in the decision to go public. We don’t know what rumors had already been floating around. We just don’t know enough to judge in my opinion.

The guy obviously did what he thought was the right thing under the circumstances which only he and those involved in the decision to go public understand.

I would suggest that those claiming it should have been kept on the QT are projecting their own fears of “going public” into the whole situation.

87 posted on 03/18/2014 12:52:55 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
Yep...it is silly to follow the scripture when it speaks of confessing sin to each other...and repenting before the church.

/sarcasm

88 posted on 03/18/2014 1:02:45 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: CynicalBear; redleghunter; verga; Conspiracy Guy; gunsequalfreedom

Ananias and Sapphira lied to the church and tried to keep it quiet.

It didn’t work out so well for them.

If this is what he felt led to do by the Lord, and he felt it was the right thing to do, then it’s their decision. They do know their situation and congregation best.

I’m of the camp that his wife knew what he was going to do and did not have a problem with it.

I recall a church I was in where one of the assistant pastors had a one night stand with another woman. He got up before the congregation and confessed it. He stepped down from his pastoring role and was in a program of mentoring and discipleship for restoration.

People were shocked, of course, but not condemning at all. They were very supportive and compassionate for the family and I don’t recall that anyone thought the less of his wife because of it. They all knew whose fault it was and his actions were no reflection on his wife in the least.

Of course, the world does not deal well with public confessions of sin. Look what happened when Carter admitted to lusting after other women in his heart. And he was just being honest about a very common human weakness.

After all, Jesus said that all a man had to do was look on a woman with lustful intent and it was the same as committing adultery. And what man, or woman too, can say that they’ve never done that?

I don’t see a problem with people confessing their sin publicly. It does help with accountability, and I actually see a bigger problem with people who pretend that they never do anything wrong. It’s really hard on others who are struggling with sin of their own when they think they’re the only ones who have problems like they do. They feel very alone.


89 posted on 03/18/2014 1:22:43 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom

Yes, it is a hard call and if the news reported he departed for unknown reasons, then the speculation would be “why did he not confess.” It is a difficult call, but he apparently had his reasons to do so. He has to answer, not us.


90 posted on 03/18/2014 1:23:16 PM PDT by redleghunter
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To: verga
I just don't like the idea of him humiliating his wife in public.

As a man who was raised in the "old way" the gentlemen way, I understand your reasoning. We don't know enough about the story IMO. Maybe his wife encourged him to come clean with the family of believers. Speculation of course.

91 posted on 03/18/2014 1:26:37 PM PDT by redleghunter
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To: redleghunter
Yes, it is a hard call and if the news reported he departed for unknown reasons, then the speculation would be “why did he not confess.”

I know of a situation where the pastor just *disappeared* (it turned out to be adultery and he was removed from the pulpit) and there was far more talk about it than if a simple explanation had been given. Someone disappearing for no reason is going to result in talk. Better to come clean.

92 posted on 03/18/2014 1:45:37 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
Is anything I say going to change your mind?

You seem to be very opinionated.

As is everyone else on this forum. I hope you are not surprised by that.

93 posted on 03/18/2014 2:03:53 PM PDT by verga (Poor spiritual health is often manifested with poor physical health.)
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To: CynicalBear; metmom
I would suggest that those claiming it should have been kept on the QT are projecting their own fears of “going public” into the whole situation.

Metmom please chastise CB for mind reading.

94 posted on 03/18/2014 2:05:48 PM PDT by verga (Poor spiritual health is often manifested with poor physical health.)
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To: verga; CynicalBear

Bwahahaha!!!!!!


95 posted on 03/18/2014 2:11:05 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: verga; CynicalBear

CB is correct.

It takes far more courage to admit your sin and lack of perfection in front of a crowd, then to hide behind closed doors and whisper it to someone he can’t even see clearly. No face to face confrontation to humiliate him.

That pastor was a man and acted like one in his willingness to come clean. His manhood didn’t hinge on hiding behind a front of moral perfection and hiding his *confession* and repentance.


96 posted on 03/18/2014 2:15:45 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: verga

Oh of course I am aware of it. But you can read hearts and minds.


97 posted on 03/18/2014 2:42:06 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Stop wishing for a perfect world. You may get it. Who will you talk to then?)
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To: CynicalBear

Agreed.


98 posted on 03/18/2014 2:43:09 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Stop wishing for a perfect world. You may get it. Who will you talk to then?)
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To: metmom
>>I don’t see a problem with people confessing their sin publicly. It does help with accountability,<<

I’m thinking there would a whole lot less sinning if everyone knew they would have to get in front of the whole assembly and confess their sins.

99 posted on 03/18/2014 2:45:03 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: verga; metmom

It’s got nothing to do with mind reading. It has to do with understanding human nature.


100 posted on 03/18/2014 2:46:32 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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