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California man swept out to sea during Sunday baptism
nydailynews ^ | March 31, 2014 | Joe Kemp

Posted on 03/31/2014 9:59:29 AM PDT by JoeProBono

The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.

A California man was feared dead after he was swept out to sea during a beach baptism on Sunday, officials said.

Benito Flores, 43, was helping his cousin — Pastor Maurigro Cervantes — perform the religious ceremony on a man at Guadalupe beach when a hellacious wave toppled the trio, KCOY-TV reported.

“A big wave came and took Benito,” Cervantes, of Jesus Christ Light of the Sky, told the news station.

“I tried to take him out. He was heavy and then another big wave came.” The current pulled Flores away from the shore at the Rancho Guadalupe Dunes Preserve — about 70 miles north of Santa Barbara — and hasn’t been seen since.

Rescue crews were expected to return to the scene on Monday to search for the missing man.

Cervantes told the Santa Maria Times that about 25 people were at the ceremony, which he said he performs about two or three times a year.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Outdoors; Religion
KEYWORDS: baptism


1 posted on 03/31/2014 9:59:29 AM PDT by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono
rip currents and the devil.

2 posted on 03/31/2014 10:01:42 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: JoeProBono

Oh, dear.


3 posted on 03/31/2014 10:01:52 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: JoeProBono

It's a sign!


4 posted on 03/31/2014 10:08:24 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: JoeProBono
"The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away."

Would such a snide, insensitive comment be allowed in a story about anything other than a Christian event? Would they make that comment about the Washington mudslide or a downed airplane?
5 posted on 03/31/2014 10:09:38 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle

That was my first thought too. What an insensitive twit. Of course, he has never seen a baptism, has no idea what it means nor any interest in learning.


6 posted on 03/31/2014 10:17:42 AM PDT by cyclotic (Hey BSA-I'm gone. Walk Worthy-traillifeusa.com)
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To: Steve_Seattle

I believe they would.


7 posted on 03/31/2014 10:19:07 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: JoeProBono
The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.

Nice, Joe, really nice. Perhaps someone can show up at your wife's or child's funeral and crack jokes too.

8 posted on 03/31/2014 10:20:33 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Jeff Chandler


9 posted on 03/31/2014 10:23:46 AM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

Why do people think that baptisms in a sea/ocean would be more scriptural than a baptismal or even a stream or river? I don’t recall John the Baptist or Christ baptizing ANYONE in the Sea of Galilee or the Med.


10 posted on 03/31/2014 10:24:41 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: JoeProBono

jkemp@nydailynews.com


11 posted on 03/31/2014 10:26:30 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
Well in fairness, there are many threads even on this site making fun of deaths. Just do a search on "Darwin Award" and you will hit a mothers lode.

I often wonder if relatives and friends of the deceased will ever see those threads. You just know that at some point, they will do a Google search and likely our threads will come up and they will see us cracking wise about the circumstances of their loved one's untimely death. Something to think about.

I try not to participate in those threads but on occasion, I have been guilty of contributing a pithy comment or two with respect to "Darwin Award" candidates.

I guess in a nation of 317,785,000 people and a planet of some 7,046,000,000; it's easy to become desensitized to the pain and suffering of those who share the planet with us. I guess it's hard enough just keeping up with those in our immediate social circles so when we hear about some surfer in Hawaii getting eaten by jellyfish or some poor soul floating out to sea during a baptism, there is adequate distance for most of us to make light of it in some way.

I think another factor is the Internet. Somebody dies in an usual way and it goes viral. Suddenly hundreds of millions of people across the globe are reading about how that person died. Think about that. When I was a kid in the 1970s, there was almost no way to know what happened to regular people that wasn't printed in your hometown paper.

In 1977, one of my classmates was run over by a train because he was "playing chicken." A Darwin death for sure. But nobody outside my school ever knew the circumstances and even the hometown paper had just had an obituary and left out the details out of respect for the parents. The Boston papers did print a story about a child getting run over by a train but they did not print his name so unless you lived in my town, you would not be able to put 2 and 2 together.

Such a different world today.

12 posted on 03/31/2014 10:41:11 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: JoeProBono

13 posted on 03/31/2014 10:50:42 AM PDT by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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To: JRios1968

looks like sybil


14 posted on 03/31/2014 10:58:34 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom… I was refereeing to Obama)
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To: JRios1968

Part of the problem here are these so-called “hip” baptisms performed primarily by pastor this and pastor that. Everyone plays the role of “pastor” these days. This is the same nonsense that occurs on these “Easter Sunrise” services where its all a song and dance. This is the mingling of New Age and Christianity. The solution is quite simple. Go to a local Catholic Church and be baptized by a real priest or better yet, a Franciscan monk.


15 posted on 03/31/2014 11:02:36 AM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard; Steve_Seattle
The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.

Uh - Steve was merely quoting the article...

That being said, one might consider the story of Elijah who was taken to Heaven in a chariot of fire.

We should not assume that God was somehow caught by surprise by this rouge wave. It may be that like Elijah, the Lord chose to take Benito home. For me personally, to be taken while being baptized?! What a way to go!

As believers, we should not cling too tightly to this life. As The Apostle Paul said "...to live is Christ - to die is GAIN!"

16 posted on 03/31/2014 11:09:36 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: JoeProBono

As they say, “the verdict is in.”


17 posted on 03/31/2014 11:16:21 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Operating out of weakness? Imagine if he was working from a position of strength!)
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To: JoeProBono

There has never been a more scummy lead line.

The Daily News should be ashamed.


18 posted on 03/31/2014 11:29:08 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Steelfish
Part of the problem here are these so-called “hip” baptisms performed primarily by pastor this and pastor that. Everyone plays the role of “pastor” these days. This is the same nonsense that occurs on these “Easter Sunrise” services where its all a song and dance. This is the mingling of New Age and Christianity. The solution is quite simple. Go to a local Catholic Church and be baptized by a real priest or better yet, a Franciscan monk.


Don't they have that little birdbath in the front of the church were they just sprinkle, not immersion like the original Greek indicates? :)

19 posted on 03/31/2014 11:29:13 AM PDT by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: JoeProBono

Sometimes things just don’t work out as expected. There is risk in every breath we take.


20 posted on 03/31/2014 11:30:18 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: JoeProBono

21 posted on 03/31/2014 11:40:28 AM PDT by Daffynition ("If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." ~ Henry Ford)
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To: Steelfish

**Go to a local Catholic Church and be baptized by a real priest or better yet, a Franciscan monk.**

Better yet, a Jesuit...it’s the premium blessing and will have more standing. ;)


22 posted on 03/31/2014 11:48:24 AM PDT by Daffynition ("If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." ~ Henry Ford)
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To: Daffynition


23 posted on 03/31/2014 11:55:16 AM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

My younger daughter did a beach baptism and the waves were really big that day. Thankfully there were no issues with anyone getting swept out to sea.


24 posted on 03/31/2014 12:17:03 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( ))))
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To: JoeProBono

25 posted on 03/31/2014 12:20:20 PM PDT by Daffynition ("If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." ~ Henry Ford)
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To: fungoking

Forget the Greeks. Do what the early Christians did when they worshipped.


26 posted on 03/31/2014 12:22:54 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Shery

Maybe it’s not about being “more scriptural” and just a place that’s convenient. I live near the beach and there are no decent rivers or streams nearby. This place up near Santa Barbara may be the same way.


27 posted on 03/31/2014 12:23:50 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( ))))
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To: Steelfish
Forget the Greeks. Do what the early Christians did when they worshipped.

I'll stick with the biblical description of John the Baptist and Jesus....early enough?
28 posted on 03/31/2014 12:28:39 PM PDT by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: fungoking

Even better stick with his instructions to Peter.


29 posted on 03/31/2014 12:32:11 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: JoeProBono
A s tragedy on what should be a joyful occasion. Buck up it could be worse, you could have worked with this line “I tried to take him out. He was heavy and then another big wave came.”
30 posted on 03/31/2014 12:38:22 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Daffynition


31 posted on 03/31/2014 12:47:35 PM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: Steelfish

“Go to a local Catholic Church and be baptized by a real priest or better yet, a Franciscan monk.”

A real priest? So, would you have us to believe that Protestant ministers aren’t qualified to perform valid baptisms?

The validity of a baptism depends on the believer’s faith in God and his need to obey God’s commands (such as baptism as a requisite for salvation), not the “realness” of the person doing the baptism.

Just suppose that a “real” priest performed a baptism, and then later that day did some heinous act; was the baptism of the believer invalidated by the priest’s sinful act? No, of course not! The validity of baptism comes from the believer’s faith, not the priest’s authority.


32 posted on 03/31/2014 1:16:04 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: SamAdams76

Very moving post. I hadn’t thought about how my levity might be viewed by family members.


33 posted on 03/31/2014 2:41:26 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: JoeProBono

34 posted on 03/31/2014 3:32:44 PM PDT by Daffynition ("If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." ~ Henry Ford)
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To: TexasRepublic

The mandate was given not to any “pastor” but to Peter and his successors and the Church founded on the rock “Petrus” whose name was changed by Christ Himself.


35 posted on 03/31/2014 3:54:09 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: JoeProBono

Sprinkling is safer than dunking.


36 posted on 03/31/2014 6:22:07 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Steelfish

“Go to a local Catholic Church and be baptized...”

Yup, sprinkled with waters from the ‘Jordan’ or other holy water in the baptismal fount, just like John baptized Jesus...


37 posted on 03/31/2014 9:15:47 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard; JoeProBono

Hey, Blowhard, read the damn story. Joe quoted the story verbatim. Without comment...

Maybe someone can show up at one of your loved one’s funeral and be an insensitive Blowhard.


38 posted on 03/31/2014 9:22:51 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea; JoeProBono

Uh, JoeProBono did post it, but JOE KEMP wrote it.


39 posted on 03/31/2014 10:44:12 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: cyclotic

Why on earth would a minister perform baptism anywhere near such dangerous surf? Doesn’t sound like a real leader of a church.


40 posted on 03/31/2014 10:55:57 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: JoeProBono

Hecky Durn


41 posted on 03/31/2014 11:03:56 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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