Posted on 04/07/2014 1:36:42 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Edited on 04/07/2014 1:41:51 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Darren Aronofsky
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths#Oceania
Many African cultures have an oral tradition of a flood myth including the Kwaya, Mbuti, Maasai, Mandin, and Yoruba peoples. The Maasai myth, which has obvious Judeo-Christian influences, is as follows:
Once upon a time the rivers began to flood. The god told two people to get into a ship. He told them to take lots of seed and to take lots of animals. The water of the flood eventually covered the mountains. Finally the flood stopped. Then one of the men, wanting to know if the water had dried up let a dove loose. The dove returned. Later he let loose a hawk which did not return. Then the men left the boat and took the animals and the seeds with them.
Exactly. TIME shills again.
If the Black Sea and Mediterranean Sea were once valleys or low areas and flooded at once, that would be a significant flood.
"Although the flood started at low water discharges that may have lasted for up to several thousand years, our results suggest that 90 percent of the water was transferred in a short period ranging from a few months to two years."
No one with intelligence was around 5 million years ago...so history was blind to this; but the Black Sea filling was a different story.
Blood tests have shown that a 12-year-old girl in Ghana who died of viral fever with bleeding did not have Ebola, Health Minister Sherry Ayittey said on Monday.
Forget flood myths, here in New Mexico mere rain is a myth.
The end of the last great Ice Age occurred about 7,000 years ago, just about the time when recorded history began. Each of the great Mideastern religions, both pagan and biblical, has a great flood story that essentially starts the era of recorded human history. Geology shows the amount of ice that suddenly melted (no AGW then) was massive beyond belief. All that water had to go somewhere. Hence, the most logical explanation is that each of the great religions recorded its own version of the same historic and geological events.
My toilet dreams always involve a desperate search for a bathroom with a functional toilet, none of which I find. Then I get up and take a pee.
A lot of very interesting info in the posts. Thanks.
It likely would have created too, violent thunderstorms in the general vicinity. I’m sure it seemed to the inhabitants thereabout like the end of the world.
*shrug* Maybe it is borrowed. I don’t see that that matters. And “borrowed” isn’t the best word. It’s just another source is all. Truth is truth regardless of the source. There are lots of similar stories of various types that permeate all cultures. It gives the story a greater ring of truth. In short ... it is a good thing.
I went and saw Noah last night. I fully expected the writer of the movie/director (whomever he is) to take literary license. I went for the entertainment value thinking, how bad could it be? There are many things I will set quietly and listen to, whether I agree with it or not. .......BUT......
I did run into trouble with this movie and it’s the first one I’ve ever walked out on, in the middle.
First, I really enjoyed the first half of the movie. It was OK with me that they added in the Watchers to assist man. I figured, OK, someone must have read the book of Enoch, and this IS entertainment, not intended to be totally factual.
AND, I thought it was kewl that they brought in Tubal-Cain. He’s a figure that doesn’t usually make an appearance in movies. Things were ‘’relatively close’’ to biblical, and no worse than some of the older biblical movies which really stunk back in the old days. They took literary license too in many cases.
I also liked the idea of the animals being put to sleep with herbs. I thought that was a kewl twist also.
But, I didn’t like that the sons didn’t have wives. And when Noah announced that if the child of his daughter-in-law was a girl, she would be killed immediately after birth...that humans were not intended to repopulate the earth, that the earth was designed for the animals only...That bothered me.
I didn’t like that he would allow the girl to die that Ham tried so valiantly to save, except for the fact that she was of the tribe of Tubal-Cain (an evil line of people) and I definitely didn’t like seeing Tubal-Cain had snuck onto the boat.
And of course Shem and his wife were about to debark on a little raft in order to save the life of their child from his murderous father..That spelled the end for me. And I never even addressed Methuselah. His character was played beautifully by Anthony Hopkins, but the writer did the character wrong.
None of the Patriarchs were perfect, but to seek to explain evil by drawing Tubal Cain onto the ship, while in the same breath making Noah look like a bumbling fool who was not clearly hearing the voice of YHVH...That sort of blasphemy was the undoing of the entire movie for me, and for my adult daughter. Neither of us could stomach any more. I have NO idea what happened after that part. I didn’t care to.
The original storyline is fantastic enough on it’s own, and even a little bit of literary license is fine, but I have to say that this author/director is a foolish buffoon. He made HIMSELF look like a dishonest idiot.
He got my ten bux, and when I finish this post I will go and memorize his name because I don’t intend to ever give him another penny. He’s done as far as I’m concerned.
Often times, the critiques of movies are totally outlandish and uncalled for, but this time around, they were correct.
If you really want to see this movie, don’t spend your money on it. It’ll show up for free somewhere. watch it then if you’re so inclined. But, your movie money is best spent on a different movie.
imho
I hate to say it, but this time around, even the muslims have my sympathies.
Fantastic post! Thanks for sharing all that information, it’s fascinating!
lol
that may be the dumbest thing i’ve ever read! (I know the idea didn't come from you)
if the Pentateuch wasn't created until the babylonian exile... um.. what religion were the jews worshiping? who did they build a temple too?
they didn’t need writing to pass on the stories in genesis verbally from generation to generation.
In all fairness, trying to create a timeline for Noah is pretty ridiculous. Even the most established timeline, that of the ancient Egypt, from around 3150 BC to the early ADs, has lots of gaps. It is not unusual to have hundred year periods rewritten based on new information.
Before Egypt, all history is pretty nebulous. The Mesopotamian Gilgamesh account is for around 2700 BC, long after Egypt was founded; but inexplicably it is suggested that it predates Noah, when even at face value, it may have been based on Noah.
What is known is that about 7500 years ago, 5,500 BC, an ice age was ending and the seas were rising. Suddenly the Mediterranean crossed a threshold, and a vast amount of water began pouring into the Sea of Marmara, and thence, into the Black Sea, right by what today is Istanbul.
Much of the world’s population lived around the Black Sea, and its water level grew so fast that what had been dry land one year was under a hundred meters of water the next, though whether it took days or months is unknown.
Anyone who thought they could escape the rising waters on what to them was high ground would have been sorely mistaken.
It would make sense that the story of Noah could have taken place around 5,500 BC, but this pushes Biblical history far back in time, as well as moving its early geography far north.
I’m really trying to understand your sig. line. All I can get is the symbolic destruction of Olam Tehu and something to do with free will.
You apparently never read Barak Obama's two autobiographies. A legend in his own mind, that one is.
Read Genesis from 1:1 to where Noah appears in 5:26 and you will notice .... almost no information of how the original Jews based their religious life and what codes they lived by.
We can discern from the eden story that we should obey God, and shouldn't lie. And from the Cain and Able story that murder is wrong and that God seems to approve of the idea of sacrifice..
and that's about it.
Thing is, “Noah” is to Noah what “Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter” is to Abraham Lincoln. They are the exact same genre.
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