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National Menís Group Threatens Discrimination Suit Over Female-Only Self-Defense Class
CBSLA.com) ^ | April 15, 2014 11:30 PM

Posted on 04/16/2014 7:25:11 AM PDT by BenLurkin

A Glendale self-defense class geared toward women and girls has been postponed for a second time this month after a national men’s group threatened a discrimination lawsuit because men aren’t allowed to participate in the course.

Harry Crouch, the president of the National Coalition for Men, drafted a letter to the city, demanding it open the class to men.

“There’s no problem with having self-defense classes geared toward women as long as they have the same self-defense classes geared toward men. It’s about the discrimination. It’s not about who beats up who most often or who needs protection the most,” Crouch said via Skype.

Organizers of the class said keeping it women-only is for their benefit because people have often been victims of sexual abuse and having a man in the class could be a trigger for them.

Asked if it’s sexist to market the class toward women, resident Ayse Arf said, “I think it’s being realistic about the people to whom the majority of sexual assaults happen. [Men] don’t have that same twinge of fear a woman has walking down the street at 2 a.m. when it’s super dark and someone appears behind them.”

Not every woman agrees that men shouldn’t be allowed in, however.

“I have a son. And I’d want him to be safe. I’d want him to know how to defend himself,” a woman said.

CBS2’s Kristine Lazar reported that more than 100 women signed up for the two classes and another 70 are on the wait list. The city council will decide whether to allow men in the classes or cancel them.


TOPICS: Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: california; glendale

1 posted on 04/16/2014 7:25:11 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin
You can't switch from ideological to 'realistic' when it suits you alone.

Or you shouldn't be able to.

2 posted on 04/16/2014 7:27:43 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: BenLurkin

Harry Crotch, the president of the National Coalition for Men should be ashamed to call himself a man. Bet he shops a Love Pink.


3 posted on 04/16/2014 7:33:31 AM PDT by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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To: BenLurkin

This is a private enterprise. They can serve whomever they choose.

I doubt there are any men that “want” to be in this women only self defense class. There are lots of self defense class opportunities that are co-ed. Instead, I would be willing to bet, “the men” behind this are against guns and are a liberal bunch. Either that or they are perverts and predators. But maybe I repeat myself.

(I know very little about the issue. My opinion is conjecture only.)


4 posted on 04/16/2014 7:34:13 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: BenLurkin

I’m teaching a class called FFOFF

It’s just for men

So far no one wants to sue me. ...hurray I guess!

FFOFF is an acronym for Fitness For Old Fat F’ers

So far no women have tried to join


5 posted on 04/16/2014 7:35:27 AM PDT by jcon40
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To: jcon40
FFOFF. That sounds like a class that I need to sign up for.
6 posted on 04/16/2014 7:39:45 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: jcon40

I teach womans self defense classes ... some of them are rape prevention based. Why would these imbeciles want this class.


7 posted on 04/16/2014 7:45:49 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Evil WILL flourish when good men WILL not act)
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To: BenLurkin

FFOFF. That sounds like a class that I need to sign up for

You’re only allowed to wear your black spandex outfit after you’ve complteted level one


8 posted on 04/16/2014 7:47:08 AM PDT by jcon40
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To: clamper1797
I teach womans self defense classes ... some of them are rape prevention based. Why would these imbeciles want this class

Maybe have a similar class for the men. "This is Bruce. He's 6 foot 6, 250 pounds of pure muscle and queer as a three dollar bill... And he's decided that he wants you. Now try to fight him off." No a lot of sign ups for the second class.

9 posted on 04/16/2014 8:08:51 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: Tenacious 1
This is a private enterprise. They can serve whomever they choose.

Doesn't sound like this is true:

The city council will decide whether to allow men in the classes or cancel them.

This is govt-sanctioned discrimination.

10 posted on 04/16/2014 8:23:07 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too... @Onelifetogive)
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To: BenLurkin

I’m against any discrimination, but let’s be realistic. Statistically, women are smaller and have less upper body strength than most men, statistically.

Also, women are the victims of rape, and men are the agressors. It’s a fact. So let them have their women-only class. I would want my female family members to go to it.


11 posted on 04/16/2014 8:27:20 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: BenLurkin

This “National Coalition for Men” needs a class on “How To Defend Your Nation’s Women”, and then these women wouldn’t need their class, and the whole problem would go away.

(Come to think of it, there are plenty of “men” even here on FR who could use such a class. They’re an embarassment and a shame on men.)


12 posted on 04/16/2014 8:36:10 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: BenLurkin

I taught martial arts for fifteen years until my knee went to hell. I usually taught a mixed class of men and women. Male students would invariably “go easy” on a female because the males were raised properly and most guys don’t like the idea of hurting a woman even in the interests of training. Men working with men were harder on each other. Women working with women were harder on each other too. The hard fact is, one learns more by training harder.

I predict that women training in an all female class will learn more and master techniques faster. That’s the point of these classes. Whether there’s a legal point to be made about the discrimination here is something that could be addressed by offering similar classes for men, IMHO.


13 posted on 04/16/2014 8:57:45 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: I want the USA back

“Also, women are the victims of rape, and men are the aggressors. It’s a fact. So let them have their women-only class.”

At some point they’re going to need to spar with men to get a feel for the height/weight/reach differences. But, yeah, they could start out women only, to work out the moves.


14 posted on 04/16/2014 9:53:47 AM PDT by PLMerite
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To: PLMerite

are they also opposed to female-only bathrooms and showers?


15 posted on 04/16/2014 9:55:42 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

“...are they also opposed to female-only bathrooms and showers?”

I dunno, some places are trying to make bathrooms open to “transgendered” types...


16 posted on 04/16/2014 9:57:12 AM PDT by PLMerite
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To: Onelifetogive

“This is govt-sanctioned discrimination.”


Sounds to me like the national men’s group is Alinsky-ing the liberal city leaders. Something about making your opponent live up to their own rules.

All else aside, I kinda like the idea of shoving Rules For Radicals up liberals’ tailpipes and turning it sideways.

But that’s just me...


17 posted on 04/16/2014 2:13:56 PM PDT by Peet (The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal. - Aristotle)
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