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Proposal would stop door-to-door mail for millions
Associated Press ^ | May 21, 2014 12:32 PM EDT

Posted on 05/21/2014 10:24:46 AM PDT by Olog-hai

Millions of Americans would no longer get mail delivered to their door but would go to communal or curbside boxes instead, under a proposed law.

The House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform debated Wednesday a bill to direct the U.S. Postal Service to convert 1.5 million addresses annually over the next decade to the less costly but less convenient delivery method. …

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1 posted on 05/21/2014 10:24:46 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Correct me if I’m wrong, but mail delivery is one of the things government does that *is* specifically outlined in the Constitution.


2 posted on 05/21/2014 10:26:28 AM PDT by wbill
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To: wbill

Yes, but the Postal Service was privatized.


3 posted on 05/21/2014 10:29:46 AM PDT by catman67
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To: wbill

The only things specified are the establishment of post offices and post roads, per Article 1 Section 8 Clause 7. Delivery to the doors of houses is not specified.


4 posted on 05/21/2014 10:32:04 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Who gets mail anymore?...
We pay almost all our bills electronically
E-mail is efficient and fast

The post office is becoming an anachronism

5 posted on 05/21/2014 10:33:28 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: wbill

I actually like my post office. Its the local gathering place where I chat with my neighbors. Its going to 2 hours per day next month which will be a real treat for people who happen to work during those 2 hours.


6 posted on 05/21/2014 10:34:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Olog-hai
The only things specified are the establishment of post offices and post roads

Nothing about the establishment of general mills?

7 posted on 05/21/2014 10:34:32 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: HangnJudge

Yes, because everyone has a computer or smartphone. Right?


8 posted on 05/21/2014 10:36:13 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: wbill

Many millions of us already have this system, or worse, we have to go to the post office.

And the little boxes quickly fill up with the junk mail trash.


9 posted on 05/21/2014 10:36:25 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Olog-hai

Yet no photo ID.


10 posted on 05/21/2014 10:37:27 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: wbill

But did the Constitution specify that it would be delivered the last 200 yards?


11 posted on 05/21/2014 10:37:58 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Olog-hai

Curbside boxes do have the advantage that you can put your outgoing mail into one, which you can’t do if you have a mail slot in your door.


12 posted on 05/21/2014 10:38:18 AM PDT by Winged Hussar
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To: Olog-hai

Sigh. Post office is such a mess! But at least we get mail delivered— in some countries you have to go to the central post office and ask if you have mail or to mail something. And when you get mail it might have already been opened and your packages are stolen, broken, or things missing. If it comes to a curbside group that’s still better than not having delivery! And I am ok with delivery only Monday- Friday if it helps control costs.


13 posted on 05/21/2014 10:41:52 AM PDT by sassy steel magnolia
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To: sassy steel magnolia

Nobody in government really knows how to control costs. But yeah, there’s no need for Saturday delivery.


14 posted on 05/21/2014 10:44:01 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Just close the post office and have any delivery service in the area guarantee twice a month delivery to all locations in the areas in which they are licensed.

Pick ups would be on call.


15 posted on 05/21/2014 10:44:45 AM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: wbill

So, change it.


16 posted on 05/21/2014 10:46:17 AM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: morphing libertarian

The constitution says merely to establish post offices, not necessarily maintain and definitely not subsidize. The private sector is not excluded by the wording of the law.


17 posted on 05/21/2014 10:46:37 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I’m for closing it down and selling the buildings. Whatever law is required works for me. Give the employees 3 years to get a job or retire.


18 posted on 05/21/2014 10:49:07 AM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: Olog-hai
Yes, because everyone has a computer or smartphone. Right?

it be cheaper to convert the postal system (letters)
to the equivalent of Internet cafes
for sending and receiving

19 posted on 05/21/2014 10:55:50 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: HangnJudge

The Obamasmartphone? (An oxymoron, I know.)

Not everyone can or wants to visit internet cafés either.


20 posted on 05/21/2014 10:57:00 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: catman67
“Yes, but the Postal Service was privatized.”

Fixed it

Yes, but the Postal Service was sort of pseudo government type privatized.

And Fixed it even better:

The Postal service was entirely contracted out to UPS and Fed-Ex.
Outside of the decrease in cost and increase in service, no one noticed!

21 posted on 05/21/2014 10:58:37 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: Olog-hai

“Your United States Government - charging FAR more for doing FAR less.”

Kind of a catchy slogan, and perfectly apt for the Obama administration.


22 posted on 05/21/2014 11:09:33 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Olog-hai

Of course, in order to begin this conversion, the USPS will have to radically raise postage rates.


23 posted on 05/21/2014 11:11:39 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: sassy steel magnolia
in some countries you have to go to the central post office and ask if you have mail or to mail something.

Many of us here have to do that.

24 posted on 05/21/2014 11:14:41 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: HangnJudge

I probably waste an hour and a half per month shredding junk mail that comes to my door. I don’t want it, I didn’t ask for it, but it represents enough of a threat to my privacy that I actually have to sit there and run it thru a shredder before throwing it away.

Waste of resources all around.


25 posted on 05/21/2014 11:17:29 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: HangnJudge

“Who gets mail anymore?...
We pay almost all our bills electronically”

I get mail—I live in an apartment building——lots of people get mail.

I also have that silly,old fashioned habit of sending thank you notes and sympathy cards.

.


26 posted on 05/21/2014 11:20:55 AM PDT by Mears
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To: Olog-hai
To me the most logical "fix" for the post office is to base delivery on volume to each route. VERY busy (lots of mail covering little territory) gets delivery 6 days a week. Maybe 5 days for typical suburban routes. Rural routes may get 3 day per week delivery (M, W, F or T, Th, S). There is NO Sunday delivery now, so no one can make the case that skipping a day would be a drastic harm.

Of course, the biggest problem is union rules and generous retirement benefits, as well as loads of employees on disability.

27 posted on 05/21/2014 11:32:37 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too... @Onelifetogive)
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To: HangnJudge

If I do need to mail something, I go to the post office to mail it....You cannot leave mail in your mailbox anymore, lest someone will take it.


28 posted on 05/21/2014 11:35:15 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Buckeye McFrog

In Norway, you can put a sticker on your box that says no advertising mail or unaddressed mail and they will honor it.


29 posted on 05/21/2014 11:44:30 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: bjorn14

The key word in your reply was “honor”. Hard to use that term referring to any government agency here.


30 posted on 05/21/2014 11:47:59 AM PDT by datura (We have a 2 party system. Conservatives vs Uniparty)
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To: Olog-hai

privatize the whole thing and some of this will happen but at least the decisions will be economically rational and not politically fixed


31 posted on 05/21/2014 11:50:20 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Olog-hai
Everything is done electronically these days, even bill payment. I get two or three critical pieces of paper mail every year.

The vast bulk of stuff that arrives in my box in junk mail, flyers, GOP solicitations - all go in the trash. It's a revolving door of trash from curbside mailbox to curbside garbage pickup.

32 posted on 05/21/2014 12:26:14 PM PDT by Spirochete (GOP: Give Obama Power)
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To: ansel12

You can call the catalog senders and the political mailers and tell them to take you off their mailing lists. I have found that it really helps.


33 posted on 05/21/2014 12:36:27 PM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: Bigg Red

I tried it, and I didn’t notice much difference.

The Post Office is based on junk mail.


34 posted on 05/21/2014 12:40:13 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: HangnJudge

I pay most of my bills on line but will not switch to all electronic. I want the bill in the mail. We have crappy DSL service with rotaing brown outs. We get hacked & viruses where our system is down or the PC is physically at my IT guys house.

We have very good postal service here. More reliable than Microsoft.


35 posted on 05/21/2014 12:42:55 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: ansel12

Oh, that’s too bad.

Yes, the PO’s bread and butter comes from the junk mailers.

The husband is at the dump right now. Part of his haul for the paper recycling is, of course, the junk mail flyers that we get.


36 posted on 05/21/2014 12:44:33 PM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: Spirochete
The vast bulk of stuff that arrives in my box in junk mail, flyers, GOP solicitations - all go in the trash. It's a revolving door of trash from curbside mailbox to curbside garbage pickup.

Something the environmentalists and the democrats, are silent on.

The largest source of trash for me is junk mail, and the bold inks and plastics are all a part of that paper trash, as is the energy pollution needed to deliver it and dispose of it, and most of it is in a closed loop of ''created, delivered, trashed'' without ever having been used by us.

37 posted on 05/21/2014 12:46:55 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Winged Hussar
Curbside boxes do have the advantage that you can put your outgoing mail into one, which you can’t do if you have a mail slot in your door.

we have had a mail slot for years and right next to it we have a decorative clip where we stick anything outgoing. We seldom use it but it works fine when we do.

38 posted on 05/21/2014 1:58:19 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: HangnJudge
Who gets mail anymore?...

I do.

We pay almost all our bills electronically.

I don't.

39 posted on 05/21/2014 4:42:28 PM PDT by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: OldPossum

People don’t have to pay electrically. They can drop off their bills to a delivery service once or twice a month.

We could also require the delivery services operating in an area to pick up mail twice a month or with a two day notice if called.

Just don’t need the post office to take care of luddites or those of us riding off into the sunset.

Give a three year notice and people will figure it out.


40 posted on 05/21/2014 4:48:16 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: morphing libertarian

electronically


41 posted on 05/21/2014 4:48:34 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: Olog-hai

At the rate this nation is moving toward fascism, all you need to know will be posted on the werk kamp bulletin board.


42 posted on 05/21/2014 4:50:28 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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