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Windows 8 Died at Launch, Microsoft Moves on to Windows 9
The Daily Caller ^ | 7/28/2014 | Andy Patrizio

Posted on 07/28/2014 4:25:25 PM PDT by markomalley

Microsoft attempted something different and daring with Windows 8. It introduced a whole new interface and means of interaction with your PC that was identical to a smartphone or tablet. It threw out the “Start” menu and mouse-driven interface people had used for decades in favor of a touch-driven interface with tiles, some of which received active information updates.

And people hated it.

“They tried to get their entire audience to jump from a UI [user interface] they were comfortable with to a brand new one with a serious learning curve,” California-based Creative Strategies tech analyst and president Tim Bajarin said. “Had they done a more transitionary product, especially keeping the Start button, I don’t think the impact and perception would have been as bad.”

By removing the Start button, which had been a Windows fixture since Windows 95, Microsoft wasn’t just introducing a new way of using the operating system — it was trying to force people away from the only one they had known for two decades.

The result was that Windows 8 was slaughtered in the court of public opinion, often compared to the much-maligned Windows Vista released in 2006. It was an incorrect comparison; Vista was a technological hairball, a truly awful piece of software that often failed when people tried to install it on their PCs.

Windows 8 was technically sound. No one complained of crashing, slow performance or old apps not working on it. People noted it was actually a tad faster than Windows 7, they just hated how it looked. The result was slow sales for Windows 8, but Windows 7, the OS it was supposed to replace, kept selling like hotcakes.

“Its distinguishing feature was support for touchscreens but also legacy applications,” Endpoint Technologies President Roger Kay said. Endpoint is a Boston-based market research firm. “It ended up being a Frankenstein. So the good parts, like being a little faster and more reliable and more secure were almost totally invisible to the end user. So you could tell people it was faster and more reliable and they said ‘I don’t know how to use it.’”

Kay said the beating Windows 8 took in the tech press hurt, but users also hated it. Microsoft released a public beta for anyone to download and use on February 29, 2012, and released the product in October, 2012. During that time, in all the public Windows forums, “consumers were gnashing their teeth and stomping their feet about it. It was vilified in public forums,” Kay said.

The old guard who came up with Windows 8 and refused to listen to beta testers are gone and Microsoft has more or less given up trying to rescue its slandered OS. There will be another significant update to Windows 8.1 (called Update 2) later this year. After that, the new management are focusing their efforts on Windows 9.

Windows 9, which Microsoft internally calls “Threshold,” should ship around the second quarter of 2015. It will put the Windows 8 interface on the back burner but not throw it out, since applications written for Windows 8 would be broken. The familiar desktop with the Start button will be back.

Bajarin expects Windows 9 will return all of the familiar elements of Windows 7 and prior operating systems, with the new UI relegated to the back burner while new features are added to bring people forward.

“I don’t think it will be radical at all,” Bajarin said. ”I think they will make it easier to work with user interfaces of the past and provide better transition for those with older operating systems to come into this era.”

That could include tighter cloud services integration. One feature widely rumored but not confirmed by Microsoft is that it will offer seamless, tight cloud integration into the OS. Your OneDrive storage will be as easy to access as the “C: drive,” so all of your documents, personal files, photos, etc. will go right to the cloud without having to think about it.

Apps might also be potentially stored in the cloud as well. Say you log on to another Windows 9 PC using your login and password –not only will your data files be accessible from your cloud storage, but also the apps you use.

Kay expects more cloud-oriented features as well.

“It would be good to move to a cloud-oriented OS to do updates more frequently and keep the OS alive,” Kay said. “That way you would check in to the cloud at login but run locally, so you could work anywhere.”

He also doesn’t expect Windows 9 to be a major departure from the operating systems of old.

“You’d expect them to do more in order to justify all of the effort of creating a new OS other than fixing the old one. There will be a lot of it will be bells and whistles, but a lot of that stuff tends to fall into Who-Cares? territory,” Kay said.

Another rumored addition to Windows 9 is Cortana — the digital voice assistant currently being rolled out to Windows Phone users. Cortana is like the iPhone’s Siri: ask it a question and it fetches the proper contextual answer. Microsoft has made comments in recent weeks about bringing Cortana to Windows PCs, and Windows 9 would be the most logical candidate to get its own answer to J.A.R.V.I.S.

At this point, it’s all speculation, but one thing is for certain: Microsoft needs to get Windows 9 right. Kay noted that Microsoft has had only one good operating system in its last three releases over the last eight years. Windows 7 (2009) was good, while Vista (2006) and Windows 8 (2012) were bad.

“Those are not good odds for software. Maybe for blackjack, but not operating systems. I would love for [Windows 9] to work great and do the right thing, but they are one for three in recent releases. So I’m a bit cynical,” Kay said.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: fail; windows; windows7; windows8; windows9
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To: lefty-lie-spy

Yeah, I learned BASIC and LOGO on the TI-99 when I was just a pup. We skipped the Apples though, and went for the Commodore Amiga after that. That was a machine before its time!


61 posted on 07/28/2014 5:43:40 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: markomalley

I don’t want that much out of life, I just want to be able to play PS2 games on a PS3 . . . really, is that axing too much?


62 posted on 07/28/2014 5:43:57 PM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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To: markomalley
That could include tighter cloud services integration. One feature widely rumored but not confirmed by Microsoft is that it will offer seamless, tight cloud integration into the OS. Your OneDrive storage will be as easy to access as the “C: drive,” so all of your documents, personal files, photos, etc. will go right to the cloud without having to think about it.

I have no interest whatsoever in using a cloud to store personal documents and data.

63 posted on 07/28/2014 5:44:51 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Boogieman

I have a TI-99/4A but I still use the cassette drive.


64 posted on 07/28/2014 5:50:11 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: bicyclerepair
On my kvm switch are:
winXP, win7, win8.1, and a ubuntu box.

Damn!
I didn't know they made a 4-device KVM switch!
I now need one.

65 posted on 07/28/2014 5:51:56 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: mountainlion

yeah imagine the nerve of a company not wanting to support a product 14 years old and built on an obsolete architecture.


66 posted on 07/28/2014 5:55:29 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: softwarecreator
I have Win 7 at home and Win 8 on my work laptop. I find them both to work great. I had no problem switching to W8 and do not understand the problem others are having.

That's among the top 5 most condescending and arrogant, smug posts I have seen in my 15 years in FR.

Have you considered volunteering for the Amazon Paper White Kindle help forum?

67 posted on 07/28/2014 5:56:49 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: Nowhere Man

We mostly used the cassettes too, but the floppy was useful for saving documents and stuff. I think that expansion module also included a RAM upgrade as well.


68 posted on 07/28/2014 5:58:01 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: driftdiver

GMC still supports my truck.


69 posted on 07/28/2014 6:00:08 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: mountainlion

Sure if you pay them.

Microsoft will support XP if you pay them.


70 posted on 07/28/2014 6:00:42 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: mountainlion

Are factory parts still available for Fords Model T?


71 posted on 07/28/2014 6:01:43 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

“So if someone gets your log in and password they will have access to everything you have saved? What could go wrong with that?”

That is one of my concerns. Another is the push by MS to advertise use of the cloud (clod) storage for a year without charge. After that cloud storage will cost. I have a cloud at home that I disconnect from my computer when I connect to the internet. It’s a USB hard drive that holds sensitive financial information as well as that which is mundane. A look at my account in Outlook and I marvel at the number of attempts worldwide by those who would access an email account! I change the password often on a whim in an attempt to thwart access by lowlifes.

The directions we are being driven towards by MS, Google and Apple are not conducive to privacy. Live apps running in the background? BS!!! Never mind the N.S.A.


72 posted on 07/28/2014 6:02:24 PM PDT by chulaivn66 (Semper Fidelis)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Haha, yes it would be like if GM removed the steering wheel and substituted rudder pedals and a stick, then wondered why everyone wanted to keep driving their old cars.


73 posted on 07/28/2014 6:02:41 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Chode

Keep in mind, this is just some tech writers spitballing about what features might be included in Win9, we really don’t know if any of it will actually happen.


74 posted on 07/28/2014 6:03:52 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: markomalley

Buying a computer with Windows 7 this week, and its an expensive one, so Windows 9 will probably be the first time I pay to just upgrade Windows.

The reason I am optimistic about 9 is that there is a pattern.

2000 - crap
XP - good
Vista - crap
7 - good
8 - crap
9 - ...

I hope they have learned their lesson from the steaming pile that 8 was. Ugh. If I wanted a damn tablet, I’ll buy a tablet. Stop trying to turn my laptop into a tablet! I don’t want to swipe window panes, I just want a functioning Start menu damn it!


75 posted on 07/28/2014 6:06:22 PM PDT by Viennacon (Barry Obama? No... Barack Hussein Soebarkah.)
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To: Sacajaweau
With no support, I might as well go for an old XP since it won’t be hooked to the web.

I have the same problem, but haven't discovered a source of drivers that will run legacy printer/plotters. There is a wide open opportunity for some enterprising computer programming group. Windows XP was solid.

76 posted on 07/28/2014 6:07:47 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: publius911

I have my old printers which will work fine and kept the installation discs.


77 posted on 07/28/2014 6:09:38 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Boogieman
yeah, but if true, might as well store everything on NSA servers and be done with it...
78 posted on 07/28/2014 6:09:57 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: chulaivn66

I had a USB drive by Seagate. Two 500GB mirrored drives.

Then some disgruntled employee at Seagate pushed out some code which turned it into a brick. Lost everything on it.


79 posted on 07/28/2014 6:13:28 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: publius911
That's among the top 5 most condescending and arrogant, smug posts I have seen in my 15 years in FR.

Stating I have had absolutely no problem switching to Win 8 is one of the most arrogant posts in 15 years? Sure, whatever you say.

80 posted on 07/28/2014 6:14:57 PM PDT by softwarecreator
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