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I don't get it. Obama 'pardoning illegals' does nothing.
8/26/2014 | By Laz A. Mataz

Posted on 08/26/2014 8:12:15 AM PDT by Lazamataz

Everyone is predicting that Obama will 'grant Executive Amnesty' to illegal aliens before Labor Day.

Can anyone explain to me what law, clause or Constitutional article Obama can cite that permits him the power to do such a thing?

Anything. I'll settle for anything.

Pardons wouldn't work. All that would do is forgive the past crimes of being in the country illegally. One microsecond after the Pardon was issued, all the illegal immigrants would be committing a new crime, the ongoing crime of being here illegally.

Pardons cannot be granted for future crimes, so that won't work either.

Just what is this lawless creep going to cite that permits him the power to do this?

If he has no power to do it, the States and the Republican conservatives in congress can simply refuse to cooperate.


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1 posted on 08/26/2014 8:12:15 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Cyber Liberty; CatherineofAragon; melissa_in_ga; Slings and Arrows; Responsibility2nd; ...

Sorry about the ping-list misuse, but I’m not producing new content for Free Republic. I am interested if any of you have an idea on how Obama can do the above, legally.


2 posted on 08/26/2014 8:18:37 AM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.)
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To: Lazamataz

Problem is there aren’t enough republican conservatives to stop this lawless act.


3 posted on 08/26/2014 8:18:39 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

Yes, as far as the House and Senate go.

The Fed-level fails us.

How about a State-level refusal to cooperate?


4 posted on 08/26/2014 8:19:59 AM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.)
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To: Lazamataz

‘pardoning illegals’ does nothing , Obama doesn’t arrest them anyway ,even if they commit murder


5 posted on 08/26/2014 8:22:44 AM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: Lazamataz
It will come down to the states.

Or rather, the handful that end up defying Washington (not including mine, of course).

Although I'm with them 100% I really don't know what they can accomplish.

6 posted on 08/26/2014 8:23:08 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Lazamataz

So let me git this straight, you are daring to question the authority of our supreme ruler??

Has the ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY to do whatever he wants because NOBODY in any part of government will do a damned thing to stop him.


7 posted on 08/26/2014 8:23:28 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: Lazamataz

He’s doing what community organizers do.

“If you don’t go along with what I want there will be race riots”

Completely illegal but if anyone tries to stop him there will be race riots in every city.


8 posted on 08/26/2014 8:24:31 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: skeeter
It will come down to the states. Or rather, the handful that end up defying Washington (not including mine, of course).

Dude, CALIFORNIA???

I thought you lived in the United States, not some neighboring hostile communist foreign nation!

9 posted on 08/26/2014 8:24:36 AM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.)
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To: eyeamok
Has the ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY to do whatever he wants because NOBODY in any part of government will do a damned thing to stop him.

They can, and will, at the state level.

10 posted on 08/26/2014 8:25:24 AM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.)
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To: Lazamataz
It's my understanding from what I've read and heard, that his legal reasoning will be “prosecutorial discretion”. Basically he issues an executive order that will direct the INS and Justice Department to no longer prosecute and attempt to deport large swaths of the illegal community, thereby giving them defacto legal status (or amnesty by omission). Now this “amnesty” won't actually give the illegals citizenship or even a permanent status, it is essentially just deferred deportation proceedings that will only last as long as the executive order does, any future president could void it with a stroke of the pen. But Obama is betting (probably correctly) that even if a Republican wins in 2016, they would fear the backlash and media generated sob stories if they rescinded it and ordered the illegals deported.
11 posted on 08/26/2014 8:27:49 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Lazamataz

Remember the Global pardon for
Vietnam War draft dodgers who moved to Canada?

http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/jan._21_1977_carter_pardons_vietnam-era_draft_dodgers/

This will be the justification for the Executive Pardon...


12 posted on 08/26/2014 8:27:57 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Lazamataz

It puts us further on the path toward having emperors, a path that is well-trod in history, see Roman Empire, French Revolution.

King->Republic->Emperor.

This is actually good in a perverse way as we reveal the underlying truth of the situation.


13 posted on 08/26/2014 8:28:22 AM PDT by delapaz
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To: IMR 4350
He’s doing what community organizers do. “If you don’t go along with what I want there will be race riots” Completely illegal but if anyone tries to stop him there will be race riots in every city.

Not on this issue. Black people hate this threatened "Executive Amnesty". The U.S. Civil Rights Commissioner Peter Kirsanow blasted Obama about this. Black people will lose jobs to this "Executive Amnesty".

14 posted on 08/26/2014 8:29:14 AM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.)
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To: HangnJudge
Not good enough. Pardons are effective against past crimes, but future crimes cannot be pardoned. Read this
15 posted on 08/26/2014 8:30:40 AM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.)
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To: Lazamataz

It would create a bigger flood of illegals waltzing across the border.


16 posted on 08/26/2014 8:31:28 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: apillar
It's my understanding from what I've read and heard, that his legal reasoning will be “prosecutorial discretion”. Basically he issues an executive order that will direct the INS and Justice Department to no longer prosecute and attempt to deport large swaths of the illegal community, thereby giving them defacto legal status (or amnesty by omission).

He's already done just this. So how is this different?

It's like going to the store, buying a dozen eggs, bringing them home and showing the wife. Then an hour later, you show the wife the same eggs, and say "See! I even got more of them!"

17 posted on 08/26/2014 8:32:42 AM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.)
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To: Lazamataz

Amnesty through Executive Order.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

Thousands of E/O’s have been issued since our nation was founded. Acutally Barky hasn’t issued that many in comparison.


18 posted on 08/26/2014 8:33:18 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Lazamataz

Obviously, he can’t do it legally.

There’s a lot of things that he can’t do legally, but has,

and no one will stop him out of fear of being called names.


19 posted on 08/26/2014 8:34:00 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Lazamataz
The rule of law no longer exists in the same way we were taught to believe in. Obama's rule of law is whatever he says it is to advance social justice. What is congress going to do about it besides posture? What are individual states going to do about it, besides fight lengthy legal battles and lose federal funding for pushing back?

In the meantime, the floodgates come completely down. The damage is done. Obama gets his way. The Chamber of Commerce gets their way. Republicans are relieved. Democrats are ecstatic. Convict and remove him with Impeachment? Gotta secure the senate first. Even if that happens, impeachment and conviction would not come to closure until well into Obama's end of term. In the meantime more chaos, friction and the level of heat that starts civil wars is at hand. Islam stands at the ready to take full advantage. Hope n Change.

20 posted on 08/26/2014 8:34:01 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Lazamataz

“Not on this issue.”

Yes on this issue.

He’s threatening violence unless he gets his way.


21 posted on 08/26/2014 8:34:14 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

this guy or gal gets it.


22 posted on 08/26/2014 8:35:49 AM PDT by roofgoat
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To: Lazamataz

Laz,

Clinton gave us “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”. This measure was meant to overturn the long-standing ban on homosexuals serving in the military. When this law was repealed we should have gone back to what existed before... the ban. We did not. Somehow, we allowed the media narrative to take hold that repealing DADT would allow homosexuals to serve openly.

Obama will do the same here. The logic of the law does not matter. The media narrative does. If they say that his executive action has granted citizenship to all of the illegals, it will be so.


23 posted on 08/26/2014 8:37:35 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Lazamataz

I’ll take that bet Laz. And I pray to God I lose.

And I mean real action and standing up. As an example, not dog and pony crap like using the National Guard unarmed to man the border and do paperwork.


24 posted on 08/26/2014 8:38:04 AM PDT by roofgoat
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To: Lazamataz

Follow the $$$$


25 posted on 08/26/2014 8:38:36 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods)
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To: Lazamataz

First of all, the ones who can legally perform this public service are craven cowards and are for some reason to afraid execute (in a legal sense :) ) the procedures that would bring about the result we all want. :)


26 posted on 08/26/2014 8:39:21 AM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL Vets, too!l)
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To: Lazamataz
I know, I know.

You might not think it possible, but geographically speaking there is much more of California that is indistinguishable from Georgia than resembles the SF Bay Area.

27 posted on 08/26/2014 8:40:12 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Lazamataz

Precedent:
“The decision of the Supreme Court has fell still born, and they find that they cannot coerce Georgia to yield to its mandate.” - Andrew Jackson
...popularly paraphrased as “John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it!”

The Obama will make the declaration, couched in terms which well-payed lawyers will craft to complicate (though not refute) meaningful criticism of. He as Executive will act on that declaration, Congress will do nothing but shush a verbose minority therein, any (and unlikely) court challenge will take years to litigate, and no hindrance will be offered countering “I won; go ahead, stop me.” No impeachment will succeed, as the Left will stonewall, the Center will equivocate, and most of the Right will mumble “no point in trying”. No military intervention is even conceivable, as the leadership has been replaced with sycophants.


28 posted on 08/26/2014 8:41:00 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Solve problems, don't bitch about them.)
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To: Lazamataz

Most of it is about legacy and being known as the one who put capitalism in it’s place. The narcissist-in-chief has a Robin Hood complex. Think about it, every speech he has made since his first campaign was about the evil rich and the down trodden poor. He wants to be their god but most of all this is the way to destroy America, by diluting her with people of other countries.


29 posted on 08/26/2014 8:41:11 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: HangnJudge

That is different, though. The Vietnam draft dodgers committed crimes (dodging the draft) in the past. Their crimes were then pardoned. As long as they didn’t go forward and commit more crimes, they were set.

Illegal aliens committed crimes in the past, in the now, and in the future. As long as they aren’t supposed to be here, they commit crimes.

But only past crimes can be pardoned, There is no blanket pardon for the future.


30 posted on 08/26/2014 8:41:27 AM PDT by mountainbunny (Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens ~ J.R.R. Tolkien)
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To: apillar

You make great points. And it will be fascinating (in a sick way) to see the next step in allowing voting. Illegals already get welfare, HCare and education through college. Wonder how voting will be their next “civil right”

You know what two words I hate more than anything now because it has been a hammer to destroy all good? “Civil Rights”.

Shoot a thug beatin’ your a$%! DOJ comes in and charges you for denying his civil rights. Illegal can’t get free healthcare - your denying him his civil right.

A minority group of men are raping your spouse and you pull a gun and end it - your denying those men their CIVIL RIGHT.


31 posted on 08/26/2014 8:43:30 AM PDT by roofgoat
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To: Lazamataz

It surely affects the employment of the Afro-American employment that in some cases is as high as 50% in some areas of the U.S.


32 posted on 08/26/2014 8:44:39 AM PDT by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: roofgoat

Glad somebody does.

This is kindergarten level Marxist revolutionary.

You get the illegal protest in every city at the same time like in 2006 where there was up to 1,000,000 protestors marching in the streets of some cities, if just 5%-10% turn violent there is no way to stop them without police/national guard shooting to kill.

Get a few terrorist attacks from ISIS, tie the 2 together, and you have a foreign army waging war against the US on American soil.

Zippo gets absolute power.


33 posted on 08/26/2014 8:45:15 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Responsibility2nd
Acutally Barky hasn’t issued that many in comparison.

He hasn't had a need to issue that many! Hell, half of the feral government agencies have been acting like his own personal SS attacking the tea party, grinding development to a halt, and excoriating our energy producers!

All of those feral government bureaucracies KNOW that the American people are starting to get tired of their salaries, lifetime benefits, and retirement at the age of 50, when the real PRODUCERS have to work until the age of 63 to just start getting a paltry hand-out from the very trough from which these workers have already been GORGING!

So as to help thwart the Tea Party types, they willingly go along with the Federal take over of EVERYTHING - it assures them of a permanent class position! And it shows their loyalty to the Federal Government, NOT the U.S. Constitution or the people whom they are supposed to be serving!!
34 posted on 08/26/2014 8:45:28 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Lazamataz

All Obama can do is like what he did with the dreamers, give them a temporary work permit and promise to defer deportation action. He has not the mechanism to offer a path to a green card let alone citizenship.


35 posted on 08/26/2014 8:47:54 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Lazamataz

What of the lauded call by Texas of the National Guard to secure the border? nothing?

The only way this will stop is exactly that: “boots on the ground” at the border. Governors must exercise their right to call out the troops and direct them to act for “the security of a free state”, having the intestinal fortitude to solve the problem. If that means drawing a line _behind_ the US Border Patrol (”you guys do your job, we’ll do ours”), then that’s it.

One problem: the Obama has the power to “call out the National Guard”. If a state sends their NG to the border, POTUS will - if nothing else - send ‘em all to Iraq or some such. Hence my continued bafflement of officially disarmed “State Guard” (as in GA).


36 posted on 08/26/2014 8:50:09 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Solve problems, don't bitch about them.)
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To: roofgoat

The left has figured out that they can do ANYTHING under the color of “civil rights”,

including denying real civil rights from their political opponents.


37 posted on 08/26/2014 8:50:22 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: pgyanke
Clinton gave us “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”. This measure was meant to overturn the long-standing ban on homosexuals serving in the military. When this law was repealed we should have gone back to what existed before... the ban. We did not. Somehow, we allowed the media narrative to take hold that repealing DADT would allow homosexuals to serve openly.

I set out to prove you were wrong.

By God, you are right.

38 posted on 08/26/2014 8:50:55 AM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Thousands of E/O’s have been issued since our nation was founded. Acutally Barky hasn’t issued that many in comparison.

I think that the major difference amd complaint is qualitative not quantitative.

39 posted on 08/26/2014 8:51:32 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Lazamataz

‘Don matter.

He be BLAAACK.
He be DA WONN!

Boner and the RINOS are pussies and won’t do anything—because (see above)...............

If they oppose the “HE” the blacks will no longer love them and give them all their votes. But wait,...........................


40 posted on 08/26/2014 8:52:27 AM PDT by Flintlock
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To: IMR 4350

amazing how people forget how brazen and in your face these dreamers and their enablers were 2006. That year was a game changer for me and was a great education on understanding New America.


41 posted on 08/26/2014 8:53:00 AM PDT by roofgoat
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To: MrB

Two Sledge Hammers used today that nobody can stand up to.

Civil Rights.

Commerce Clause.

Each means anything the Boss says it means.


42 posted on 08/26/2014 8:54:55 AM PDT by roofgoat
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To: Lazamataz

There is no effective GOP opposition to Amnesty because the GOP is in favor of Amnesty. In the GOP’s shortsighted, suicidal view, we must replace millions of aborted 1990s babies who are not alive to work, pay taxes and vote for ever-expanding government. There is no longer a two party system — just two big government parties who make it look like we have a choice. This is why Conservatives are marginalized within the GOP, and actively scuttled when they become too successful.


43 posted on 08/26/2014 8:55:32 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Lazamataz
He won't be granting "amnesty" as the dictionary defines it but he will declare them all to be Legal immigrants or perhaps even citizens. Granting citizenship by EO is the most dangerous for the Republic immediately because it will be railed against and complained about by the Republicans who will then DO NOTHING except accept the "fait accompli." If the Court in a couple of years rules against it there will be no difference because the Court and the courts will have been rendered irrelevant by the act of EO citizenship and the non reactionby the political "opposition." Such an act, or rather the acceptance of the act wipes out the Constitution and the independence of the courts and the Congress at the same time that it overloads the system with new Socialist voters that will make permanent- at least permanent until foreign invasion and/or internal collapse- the One Party Democrat Socialist State. Once that happens we cannot return to, or by means of, the Constitution.
44 posted on 08/26/2014 8:57:55 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: IMR 4350
Obama threatens violence all the time. In fact, rumors abounded that Obama got ahold of some rogue nukes and made threats with those during the October budget shutdown last year. Even Lindsey Graham got all girly-shrieky about it, warning of a nuke in Charleston harbor.

But Obama won't have the power to motivate black people to violence on this particular issue. Black folk know that illegal immigrants cost them jobs. DEY TOOK URR JOBS.

45 posted on 08/26/2014 8:59:43 AM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.)
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To: Lazamataz
He won't be granting "amnesty" as the dictionary defines it but he will declare them all to be Legal immigrants or perhaps even citizens. Granting citizenship by EO is the most dangerous for the Republic immediately because it will be railed against and complained about by the Republicans who will then DO NOTHING and accept the "fait accompli." If the Court in a couple of years rules against it there will be no difference because the Court and the courts will have been rendered irrelevant by the act of EO citizenship and the non reaction by the political "opposition." Such an act, or rather the acceptance of the act wipes out the Constitution and the independence of the courts and the Congress at the same time that it overloads the system with new Socialist voters that will make permanent- at least permanent until foreign invasion and/or internal collapse- the One Party Democrat Socialist State. Once that happens we cannot return to, or by means of, the Constitution.
46 posted on 08/26/2014 9:00:11 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: eyeamok

How true.


47 posted on 08/26/2014 9:02:07 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: Lazamataz
How about a State-level refusal to cooperate?

Would you have the Texas Rangers fighting the Tri Letter armies of Washington in open combat? It could come to that if the State politicians prove to have a tad more courage than the Washington Government Party pols.

48 posted on 08/26/2014 9:02:35 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Lazamataz
Black folk know that illegal immigrants cost them jobs. DEY TOOK URR JOBS

Jobs don't pay. Fedzilla EBT cards pay. Welfare pays. Social Security pays. It's institutionalized looting. Looting pays. Jobs are for suckahs.

49 posted on 08/26/2014 9:02:52 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: roofgoat

What amazes me is how people will talk every day about Zippo being a Marxist out to change the country but simply choose to ignore the fact Marxist use violence or threat of violence to change countries.

For some strange reason in their mind Zippo is a different type of Marxist that wouldn’t use violence to get what he wants.

Is it normalcy bias or clinical denial because they simply can’t accept what they are seeing, I don’t know.


50 posted on 08/26/2014 9:05:49 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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