Skip to comments.I don't get it. Obama 'pardoning illegals' does nothing.
Posted on 08/26/2014 8:12:15 AM PDT by Lazamataz
Everyone is predicting that Obama will 'grant Executive Amnesty' to illegal aliens before Labor Day.
Can anyone explain to me what law, clause or Constitutional article Obama can cite that permits him the power to do such a thing?
Anything. I'll settle for anything.
Pardons wouldn't work. All that would do is forgive the past crimes of being in the country illegally. One microsecond after the Pardon was issued, all the illegal immigrants would be committing a new crime, the ongoing crime of being here illegally.
Pardons cannot be granted for future crimes, so that won't work either.
Just what is this lawless creep going to cite that permits him the power to do this?
If he has no power to do it, the States and the Republican conservatives in congress can simply refuse to cooperate.
Sorry about the ping-list misuse, but I’m not producing new content for Free Republic. I am interested if any of you have an idea on how Obama can do the above, legally.
Problem is there aren’t enough republican conservatives to stop this lawless act.
Yes, as far as the House and Senate go.
The Fed-level fails us.
How about a State-level refusal to cooperate?
‘pardoning illegals’ does nothing , Obama doesn’t arrest them anyway ,even if they commit murder
Or rather, the handful that end up defying Washington (not including mine, of course).
Although I'm with them 100% I really don't know what they can accomplish.
So let me git this straight, you are daring to question the authority of our supreme ruler??
Has the ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY to do whatever he wants because NOBODY in any part of government will do a damned thing to stop him.
He’s doing what community organizers do.
“If you don’t go along with what I want there will be race riots”
Completely illegal but if anyone tries to stop him there will be race riots in every city.
I thought you lived in the United States, not some neighboring hostile communist foreign nation!
They can, and will, at the state level.
Remember the Global pardon for
Vietnam War draft dodgers who moved to Canada?
This will be the justification for the Executive Pardon...
It puts us further on the path toward having emperors, a path that is well-trod in history, see Roman Empire, French Revolution.
This is actually good in a perverse way as we reveal the underlying truth of the situation.
Not on this issue. Black people hate this threatened "Executive Amnesty". The U.S. Civil Rights Commissioner Peter Kirsanow blasted Obama about this. Black people will lose jobs to this "Executive Amnesty".
It would create a bigger flood of illegals waltzing across the border.
He's already done just this. So how is this different?
It's like going to the store, buying a dozen eggs, bringing them home and showing the wife. Then an hour later, you show the wife the same eggs, and say "See! I even got more of them!"
Amnesty through Executive Order.
Thousands of E/O’s have been issued since our nation was founded. Acutally Barky hasn’t issued that many in comparison.
Obviously, he can’t do it legally.
There’s a lot of things that he can’t do legally, but has,
and no one will stop him out of fear of being called names.
In the meantime, the floodgates come completely down. The damage is done. Obama gets his way. The Chamber of Commerce gets their way. Republicans are relieved. Democrats are ecstatic. Convict and remove him with Impeachment? Gotta secure the senate first. Even if that happens, impeachment and conviction would not come to closure until well into Obama's end of term. In the meantime more chaos, friction and the level of heat that starts civil wars is at hand. Islam stands at the ready to take full advantage. Hope n Change.
“Not on this issue.”
Yes on this issue.
He’s threatening violence unless he gets his way.
this guy or gal gets it.
Clinton gave us “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”. This measure was meant to overturn the long-standing ban on homosexuals serving in the military. When this law was repealed we should have gone back to what existed before... the ban. We did not. Somehow, we allowed the media narrative to take hold that repealing DADT would allow homosexuals to serve openly.
Obama will do the same here. The logic of the law does not matter. The media narrative does. If they say that his executive action has granted citizenship to all of the illegals, it will be so.
I’ll take that bet Laz. And I pray to God I lose.
And I mean real action and standing up. As an example, not dog and pony crap like using the National Guard unarmed to man the border and do paperwork.
Follow the $$$$
First of all, the ones who can legally perform this public service are craven cowards and are for some reason to afraid execute (in a legal sense :) ) the procedures that would bring about the result we all want. :)
You might not think it possible, but geographically speaking there is much more of California that is indistinguishable from Georgia than resembles the SF Bay Area.
“The decision of the Supreme Court has fell still born, and they find that they cannot coerce Georgia to yield to its mandate.” - Andrew Jackson
...popularly paraphrased as “John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it!”
The Obama will make the declaration, couched in terms which well-payed lawyers will craft to complicate (though not refute) meaningful criticism of. He as Executive will act on that declaration, Congress will do nothing but shush a verbose minority therein, any (and unlikely) court challenge will take years to litigate, and no hindrance will be offered countering “I won; go ahead, stop me.” No impeachment will succeed, as the Left will stonewall, the Center will equivocate, and most of the Right will mumble “no point in trying”. No military intervention is even conceivable, as the leadership has been replaced with sycophants.
Most of it is about legacy and being known as the one who put capitalism in it’s place. The narcissist-in-chief has a Robin Hood complex. Think about it, every speech he has made since his first campaign was about the evil rich and the down trodden poor. He wants to be their god but most of all this is the way to destroy America, by diluting her with people of other countries.
That is different, though. The Vietnam draft dodgers committed crimes (dodging the draft) in the past. Their crimes were then pardoned. As long as they didn’t go forward and commit more crimes, they were set.
Illegal aliens committed crimes in the past, in the now, and in the future. As long as they aren’t supposed to be here, they commit crimes.
But only past crimes can be pardoned, There is no blanket pardon for the future.
You make great points. And it will be fascinating (in a sick way) to see the next step in allowing voting. Illegals already get welfare, HCare and education through college. Wonder how voting will be their next “civil right”
You know what two words I hate more than anything now because it has been a hammer to destroy all good? “Civil Rights”.
Shoot a thug beatin’ your a$%! DOJ comes in and charges you for denying his civil rights. Illegal can’t get free healthcare - your denying him his civil right.
A minority group of men are raping your spouse and you pull a gun and end it - your denying those men their CIVIL RIGHT.
It surely affects the employment of the Afro-American employment that in some cases is as high as 50% in some areas of the U.S.
Glad somebody does.
This is kindergarten level Marxist revolutionary.
You get the illegal protest in every city at the same time like in 2006 where there was up to 1,000,000 protestors marching in the streets of some cities, if just 5%-10% turn violent there is no way to stop them without police/national guard shooting to kill.
Get a few terrorist attacks from ISIS, tie the 2 together, and you have a foreign army waging war against the US on American soil.
Zippo gets absolute power.
All Obama can do is like what he did with the dreamers, give them a temporary work permit and promise to defer deportation action. He has not the mechanism to offer a path to a green card let alone citizenship.
What of the lauded call by Texas of the National Guard to secure the border? nothing?
The only way this will stop is exactly that: “boots on the ground” at the border. Governors must exercise their right to call out the troops and direct them to act for “the security of a free state”, having the intestinal fortitude to solve the problem. If that means drawing a line _behind_ the US Border Patrol (”you guys do your job, we’ll do ours”), then that’s it.
One problem: the Obama has the power to “call out the National Guard”. If a state sends their NG to the border, POTUS will - if nothing else - send ‘em all to Iraq or some such. Hence my continued bafflement of officially disarmed “State Guard” (as in GA).
The left has figured out that they can do ANYTHING under the color of “civil rights”,
including denying real civil rights from their political opponents.
I set out to prove you were wrong.
By God, you are right.
I think that the major difference amd complaint is qualitative not quantitative.
He be BLAAACK.
He be DA WONN!
Boner and the RINOS are pussies and won’t do anything—because (see above)...............
If they oppose the “HE” the blacks will no longer love them and give them all their votes. But wait,...........................
amazing how people forget how brazen and in your face these dreamers and their enablers were 2006. That year was a game changer for me and was a great education on understanding New America.
Two Sledge Hammers used today that nobody can stand up to.
Each means anything the Boss says it means.
There is no effective GOP opposition to Amnesty because the GOP is in favor of Amnesty. In the GOP’s shortsighted, suicidal view, we must replace millions of aborted 1990s babies who are not alive to work, pay taxes and vote for ever-expanding government. There is no longer a two party system — just two big government parties who make it look like we have a choice. This is why Conservatives are marginalized within the GOP, and actively scuttled when they become too successful.
But Obama won't have the power to motivate black people to violence on this particular issue. Black folk know that illegal immigrants cost them jobs. DEY TOOK URR JOBS.
Would you have the Texas Rangers fighting the Tri Letter armies of Washington in open combat? It could come to that if the State politicians prove to have a tad more courage than the Washington Government Party pols.
Jobs don't pay. Fedzilla EBT cards pay. Welfare pays. Social Security pays. It's institutionalized looting. Looting pays. Jobs are for suckahs.
What amazes me is how people will talk every day about Zippo being a Marxist out to change the country but simply choose to ignore the fact Marxist use violence or threat of violence to change countries.
For some strange reason in their mind Zippo is a different type of Marxist that wouldn’t use violence to get what he wants.
Is it normalcy bias or clinical denial because they simply can’t accept what they are seeing, I don’t know.
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