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Bad Russian Military Idea—Assemble the Cossacks!
War is Boring ^ | December 21, 2014 | Robert Beckhusen

Posted on 12/22/2014 8:14:50 AM PST by C19fan

These days, they might not ride into battle on horseback. But creating Cossack units within the Russian military is an idea that’s gained currency as the Kremlin tries to wage regional and internal wars.

That’s the nutshell behind a new proposal from retired Capt. Konstantin Sivkov in the influential Military-Industrial Courier newspaper.

According to the paper, the Kremlin should create Cossack units as a means to help the “maintenance of law and order” and for responding to military and state emergencies. Further, Russia should organize Cossacks into a new “kind of troops of the Russian armed forces,” Sivkov wrote.

(Excerpt) Read more at medium.com ...


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: cossacks; konstantinsivkov; russia
I have the West Point Atlas of the Napoleonic Wars. Going through it every battle the Russians were involved it seemed to me the Cossack units were ineffective. They only thing they were good for was harassing Napoleon's column as it retreated from Moscow. Would they enter the debate as one of the most overrated organizations in military history?
1 posted on 12/22/2014 8:14:50 AM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan

It worked for the Tsars for a couple of hundred years...


2 posted on 12/22/2014 8:15:54 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: C19fan
They only thing they were good for was harassing Napoleon's column as it retreated from Moscow.

That is correct on its face, but since the bulk of Russia's military strategy towards Napoleon's invasion involved luring his army deep in to the heart of Russia, waiting for winter to set in, and then "harassing Napoleon's column as it retreated from Moscow", I would argue they were highly effective at their stated mission.

3 posted on 12/22/2014 8:21:01 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: C19fan

The article pretty much describes them as ineffective as soldiers, but good in cruelty and brutality, which is sometimes useful to Russian leaders.


4 posted on 12/22/2014 8:27:45 AM PST by ansel12
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To: C19fan
They only thing they were good for was harassing Napoleon's column as it retreated from Moscow.

That is correct on its face, but since the bulk of Russia's military strategy towards Napoleon's invasion involved luring his army deep in to the heart of Russia, waiting for winter to set in, and then "harassing Napoleon's column as it retreated from Moscow", I would argue they were highly effective at their stated mission.

5 posted on 12/22/2014 8:29:26 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: C19fan
These days, they might not ride into battle on horseback

You use whatever tool works the best.


6 posted on 12/22/2014 8:33:02 AM PST by McGruff (Ummm...)
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What they are trying to create is a replica of Foreign Legion with a nostalgic name. All the bums, pity criminals and substance abusers currently playing Cossacks are just a cruel parody.


7 posted on 12/22/2014 8:34:05 AM PST by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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8 posted on 12/22/2014 8:35:34 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: WayneS
And they take their bakeries VERY seriously....

9 posted on 12/22/2014 8:38:24 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: C19fan

I’m no Biblical or prophetic scholar, just found this interesting since Ezekiel 38 talks about an invasion with “horses and horsemen.” It’s always sort of stuck with me because I figured it a metaphor...who uses horses in battle anymore :)


10 posted on 12/22/2014 8:39:04 AM PST by Dawn53Fl
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Putin needs to also bring back the Gulag, show trials, and ethnic cleansing. He should purge the military, too. At the rate he’s going, he’ll never get the prestige of Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great, Stalin, and other great leaders of the benighted Russian people.


11 posted on 12/22/2014 8:55:57 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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George Washington’s Army mostly ran away from the British and harassed unconventionally (aside from some early battles where they tried to stand and fight and lost).

Were they ineffective?
Running away is how and why they won the war.

And how about the Cossacks, were they ineffective because they didn’t try to shine in conventional standup fights against the legendary Napoleon?

“As supply broke down, the men began to wander off in search of food. Most would never return, falling victim to the cold OR TO COSSACKS. The French had little left by way of organized cavalry, so any small contingent of men were susceptible to the great bands of Cossack raiders that swooped down on the shivering enemy, slaughtered them and looted the bodies.

In one incident a brigade under General Baraguay was surrounded and annihilated. Images of Cossack depredations terrorized Napoleons men.”

No they weren’t ineffective, they absolutely wrecked Napoleon’s army to a degree no one ever had before. 380,000 dead and 100,000 captured, Napoleon quit the army. Prussia and Austria dumped their alliance with France...


12 posted on 12/22/2014 9:05:17 AM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Dawn53Fl

I’m no Biblical or prophetic scholar, just found this interesting since Ezekiel 38 talks about an invasion with “horses and horsemen.” It’s always sort of stuck with me because I figured it a metaphor...who uses horses in battle anymore :)


After an EMP blast horses would be quite handy.


13 posted on 12/22/2014 9:17:45 AM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

Good point.


14 posted on 12/22/2014 10:05:21 AM PST by McGruff (Ummm...)
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To: BenLurkin

Yes. Yes they do.


15 posted on 12/22/2014 10:32:53 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy
After an EMP blast horses would be quite handy.

Even without an EMP blast, there are places a horse can go more effectively than a machine...and mules, do not forget the usefulness of mules. Just about anyplace a man can go, a horse or mule can go as well, except that they can carry more gear and move faster.
16 posted on 12/22/2014 10:43:17 AM PST by Nepeta
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To: Dawn53Fl

Calvary is still calvary...they just use tanks now!


17 posted on 12/22/2014 10:43:40 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Dawn53Fl

I mean cavalry (oopps)


18 posted on 12/22/2014 10:45:40 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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The Soviets had dozens of cavalry divisions in their army during WWII. Most of the horsemen were recruited/drafted from Cossacks or Kalmyks. Some of these divisions were still being used in 1945.


19 posted on 12/22/2014 4:07:30 PM PST by X Fretensis (How)
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To: C19fan

The Soviets may have fared better in Afghanistan had they used cavalry in the areas that were not conducive for motorized vehicles or helicopters. Horse mounted troops are more effective in adverse weather in those areas where there are no roads and altitude affects the motorized vehicles. The US SF learned the facts quickly.


20 posted on 12/22/2014 5:23:13 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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