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Tom Brady's tale doesn't hold weight [Says sack Brady for Super Bowl if he cheated]
ESPN ^ | Jan. 23, 2015 | Ian O'Connor

Posted on 01/23/2015 1:50:05 PM PST by Colofornian

Under his oversized ski cap, Tom Brady could not hide from the fact he was convicting himself in the court of public opinion. The quarterback of the New England Patriots admitted that footballs pumped up to 12.5 pounds per square inch are "a perfect fit for me," yet swore he did not notice a difference in the AFC Championship Game when most of the balls had significantly less pressure.

Brady's story Thursday was harder to believe than the story of the 199th pick in the NFL draft becoming one of the greatest players of all time...

"I would never do anything outside of the rules of play," Brady said.

But his own words told a different tale, and as soon as he was done talking, a 17-year veteran of the quarterback position, Mark Brunell, said on ESPN that he was among those who didn't believe Brady. Earlier Thursday, even before Bill Belichick seemed to be throwing his franchise player under a triple-decker bus in his own news conference, Hall of Famer Troy Aikman said on a Dallas radio station the following:

"It's obvious that Tom Brady had something to do with this."...

(Excerpt) Read more at espn.go.com ...


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: bestquarterback; cheat; deflategate; gopats; patriots; sorelosers; tombrady
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To: T. Rustin Noone

Tell them there’s so much money in each NFL game it’s surprising the rules committee hasn’t instituted random/commercial break testing long ago. Unless the players, owners and refs were generally all down with it per quarterback/home field preference.

Freegards


281 posted on 01/23/2015 10:43:53 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed

I think you are on the right track. In the overall game the inflation of the football really doesn’t make a great deal of difference if any at all. I suspect that the refs know this and are willing to expand the written rules to accommodate individual preferences by the QB’s.

As for the reasons why the footballs are not checked, my guess is that the same forces that persuaded the rules committee to allow teams to use their own footballs are at work.

I change the grips on my golf clubs every once in a while and while I have my preferences for size and feel, at the end of a round the score is pretty much the same.


282 posted on 01/23/2015 10:53:18 PM PST by T. Rustin Noone (the angel wanna wear my red shoes......)
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To: T. Rustin Noone

Well, whether it makes a big difference or not, there could just be wink-wink nod say-no-more between teams. And the refs won’t get interested unless someone complains. If every quarterback has their own sometimes wildly different preference, it could just be every team is scared to ask the refs to check because they know the other team will ask in retaliation back at them. That happens in baseball when someone complains to an ump about loaded or scuffed balls, sometimes they know something is up but they probably have a pitcher on their team that does the same thing.

It would be interesting to know exactly how this came to the attention to the refs.

Freegards


283 posted on 01/23/2015 11:04:45 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: mkleesma

Liberal you, cheater.


284 posted on 01/24/2015 12:34:30 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: TBP

Agreed!


285 posted on 01/24/2015 3:40:07 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: TexasGator

I was tired and being lazy.

Yes, those are production tolerances. Frankly, as written, that’s what the 12.5-13.5 PSI would be too. I’m guessing there’s an extension of that somewhere.


286 posted on 01/24/2015 8:08:11 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: mmichaels1970

More likely, they understand the principles, but can’t vouch for any specific thing to have definitively been what happened. That would be just going down the rabbit hole. They don’t have the luxury of not being precisely correct. Look at the crazy already going around.


287 posted on 01/24/2015 8:14:01 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Cvengr

That was the start of the third quarter. The kicking balls are marked.

As for pros touching the ball discerning? Many have said they can’t when up in those ranges, even when specifically trying and doing non-QB things with the ball to tell. D’Qwan Jackson, the Colt defender who intercepted the ball and was credited in the media as kicking off all this has said he didn’t notice any difference.

A volley ball is 4.5 PSI which is fairly soft, a basketball is 8 PSI which is pretty stiff. An NFL football is 13. From feeling with a hand, anything over 9-10 is just hard.


288 posted on 01/24/2015 8:23:13 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: mmichaels1970

If anything more serious occurs like a higher fine, lost pick, and/or suspension, we’ll know for sure that it was all on the Pats.


You’ll have a suggestion, but we know from the past that that is not a reasonable assumption without further evidence.

Teams and players have been fined/penalized before over dumbassery on the part of NFL operations .


289 posted on 01/24/2015 8:29:01 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Colofornian

I hope we can look for some creative stuff.


290 posted on 01/24/2015 8:31:31 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: mmichaels1970

Only if 1) the 11/12 report is accurate, and 2) that all the balls were treated the same at all points in time. You should see a correlation in balls that were treated the same, with the same background.


291 posted on 01/24/2015 8:40:38 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: T. Rustin Noone

That seems the most likely answer so far, without invoking invisible Ninja ball attendants.

Perhaps a few thousand people will have learned some basic physics and math out of all this.


292 posted on 01/24/2015 8:42:52 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton
It's amazing how much of the news cycle is being dominated by the under-inflating of "footballs" during a ball game.

Why don't we just take Bill Belichick and Tom Brady and strap them to an electric chair and get it over with.

Some Jets fan can pull the switch.

293 posted on 01/24/2015 8:44:51 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: mmichaels1970

I find it highly implausible that they’d have 11 of 12 at the very bottom of the range for the pats, but have 12 of 12 at the very highest edge of the range for the colts.


That’s entirely up to the Colts on one hand, and the Pats on the other. The refs aren’t expected to make them all match, just that the condition of an individual football is appropriate - good enough.

Aaron Rogers has said that some of the refs will even add a little more to his balls on their own because they know he likes them extra hard. It’s unclear whether he means over the guidelines even if that was a clear inference from context...but that’s another argument.


294 posted on 01/24/2015 8:51:41 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: mmichaels1970

I read that to mean reinflated.


That’s your choice. They were clearly being minimalistic (intentionally vague).


295 posted on 01/24/2015 8:55:28 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Ransomed

Unless the players, owners and refs were generally all down with it per quarterback/home field preference.


Given that they began letting teams scuff up and process balls - for months beforehand - and then select which balls they were going to use - and then added on the ability for the visiting team to do the same for their balls - and given that previous more meaningful infractions have resulted in a reminder letter...that seems likely.

Of course now there’s a hysterical uninformed national tirade going on, so they might respond just about any old way.


296 posted on 01/24/2015 9:02:02 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: mmichaels1970

12 of 12 ‘changed’


297 posted on 01/24/2015 9:04:31 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: Ransomed

Well, whether it makes a big difference or not, there could just be wink-wink nod say-no-more between teams.


Or a “good enough” standard which doesn’t extend to an industrial QA level of interest. Why bother to cut logs to the micron for shipping?

In this case, the balls need to be inflated enough to be solid, and not so overinflated that they will be permenantly deformed, fail, or not be cushioned if someone falls on it. 12.5-13.5 PSI is really just the manufacturing standards of the bladder inside the football. It’s still perfectly functional at 10.


298 posted on 01/24/2015 9:09:58 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton

“In this case, the balls need to be inflated enough to be solid, and not so overinflated that they will be permenantly deformed, fail, or not be cushioned if someone falls on it. 12.5-13.5 PSI is really just the manufacturing standards of the bladder inside the football. “

1. The 12.5 to 13.5 psig IS a rule. Not a manufacturing standard.

2. Each ball is inflated to 100 psig prior to leaving factory inorder to permanently ‘deform’ the ball.


299 posted on 01/24/2015 9:56:44 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

The 12.5 to 13.5 psig IS a rule. Not a manufacturing standard.


It’s a manufacturing standard forf the bladder inside the ball. I assume from the fuss it’s also a rule for game inflation. The contrast: It’s NOT a functional spec wherein it only acts like a football within those ranges.


300 posted on 01/24/2015 10:53:18 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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