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What Amadeus gets wrong
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| 2/24/2015
| Clemency Burton-Hill
Posted on 02/24/2015 2:31:28 PM PST by Borges
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To: fr_freak
Well, that’s the advance of technology. Go blame Gutenberg I guess, he started the arms race in entertainment.
To: fr_freak
You could say that about any artform. Shakespeare’s history plays were also unhistorical.
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posted on
02/24/2015 6:49:25 PM PST
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Borges
To: Borges
Great film as originally released. But the “director’s cut” sucks.
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posted on
02/24/2015 6:51:24 PM PST
by
onedoug
To: Borges
...As he threaded his way and literally managed to keep his head.
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posted on
02/24/2015 6:54:34 PM PST
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onedoug
To: Boogieman
Well since we are turning this into guitar solo talk.....haha....Dio’s version of Dream On with Malmstein on the guitar is head and shoulders above the original.....David Ruffin’s slimmed down version of Smiling Faces (knowing his history with his former temptations group members) is an example of less being more....
To: Boogieman; Borges
Old plays, books, etc. from the old days can't even compete with modern TV and movies. For one, not everyone could read in the old days. For those that could, they would have to be able to find the printed material, buy it and take the time to read it. How many of those could they manage in a lifetime? Plays were similar - people have to be able to get to the venue and watch. Especially in the old days, how often could that happen?
Compare that to TV and movies. TV is pumped into people's living rooms constantly. Your average viewer could absorb 4,6,8 hours PER DAY if they wanted. With the internet and streaming, one doesn't even need to go to the theater. Imagine how many times Hollywood could reinforce a theme in people's heads in a year. Pure brainwashing.
One more point of books versus TV: watching something happen, even when it is simulated, goes to the hindbrain. Even if our forebrain knows it's fake, our hindbrain accepts it as real, especially if substantial emotions are invoked. Books always engage the forebrain. You'll never mistake what you read (fiction) for what's real. But your brain will watch a drama and feel like it is really happening. Hollywood uses this technique to great effect when they do things like always portray Christians as mean, nasty, hateful people. Viewers know the show/movie is make-believe, but the association is made subconsciously, and reinforced again and again and again. I can't tell you how many people I've met who believe Christians are hateful, or military are bloodthirsty robot baby killers, or conservatives are racist, and they can't tell you why - they just know it. Everybody does. Boom, mission accomplished Hollywood.
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02/24/2015 7:07:36 PM PST
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fr_freak
To: fr_freak
Your concern is more with the technology itself then. And the mass media age. It goes both ways. The more info there is, the less of it sticks.
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posted on
02/24/2015 7:13:15 PM PST
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Borges
To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
Well, obviously, you can find some outstanding solos with lots of notes. It’s not a requirement to be minimalistic.
But.... it is a common beginner mistake to make a solo too showy and busy than is necessary, so minimalism is a good cure for that ailment. I guess my point is that just because you can doesn’t mean that you should, and inexperienced players don’t usually know when they should.
To: Borges
About 25 years ago I traced my wife’s piano teachers, their teachers, their teachers’ teachers, and so on. Interestingly, I found that Mozart’s youngest child (Franz Xaver Wolfgang Mozart, also called Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Junior) was taught piano by Salieri. Junior was also taught by Johann Nepomuk Hummel, a student of Mozart’s who for a time lived in the Mozart home. If there indeed was a bitter, serious rivalry between Mozart and Salieri or if there were widespread rumors that Salieri murdered Mozart, I doubt if Mozart’s wife would have allowed little Wolfie to have been taught by Salieri.
Whatever the quality of the music he composed, As Court Composer in Vienna Salieri was apparently quite the prestigious teacher for aspiring musicians. Musicians he taught included Schubert, Beethoven, Liszt, Hummel, and Moscheles.
To: Borges
I know it wasn’t; I personally liked the movie, but it did have its smear on wealthy people.
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posted on
02/25/2015 2:34:20 AM PST
by
kearnyirish2
(Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
To: kearnyirish2
It was an Edwardian melodrama - with all that entails.
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02/25/2015 6:43:50 AM PST
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Borges
To: Borges
A gent I know swears that after watching the movie in a theater the first week or its release, overheard a teenager come out of the movie saying “Great music, I wonder who wrote it.”
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posted on
02/25/2015 8:26:06 AM PST
by
Andyman
(The truth shall make you FReep.)
To: Andyman
That sounds like an urban legend.
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02/25/2015 10:34:51 AM PST
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Borges
To: fr_freak
My objection to these historical drama pieces is that even supposedly intelligent, educated people accept them, on some level, as real, and thus have a distorted view of history. Therein lies the propaganda value of such films. If you want to destroy a country or culture, you simply make movies, plays, etc. that cast their historical figures in whichever light you want them seen.I look forward to the 2184 movie Hussein; audiences will delightedly watch the life and times of the amazing composer-president and his rival Bush.
To: Borges
Was it possible that salieri was actually even a little bit jealous of mozarts musical gift, of the music mozart made? What do the historians say about that?
To: lowbridge
Who wouldn’t be jealous of Mozart?
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02/26/2015 10:20:33 AM PST
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Borges
To: Lonely Bull
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02/26/2015 10:36:01 AM PST
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Borges
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