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Grace Lee Whitney, Janice Rand of "Star Trek" dies at 85
your central valley news ^ | 05/03/15 | unknown

Posted on 05/03/2015 9:06:06 PM PDT by Mmogamer

According to Family, Grace Lee Whitney has passed away peacefully this past weekend May 1, 2015 in her Coarsegold home.

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To: NFHale

Khent is VERY Dr. Smith-ish.


101 posted on 05/05/2015 10:44:46 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; NFHale; sickoflibs; Impy; BillyBoy; GOPsterinMA

Without Dr. Smith, you’d not have had much of a show. I preferred the pilot episode (which was superior in black & white, as it felt like a Twilight Zone episode), where Smith was outright evil who tried to murder the Robinsons & Major West. Had they kept that dark edge throughout, it would’ve been top-notch sci-fi. Sadly, they decided to make it appeal more to the kiddies and made it more comical.


102 posted on 05/05/2015 11:26:11 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Good point. Without the forced, puerile humor, it might have made a show.


103 posted on 05/05/2015 11:32:29 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: fieldmarshaldj; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale; Impy; BillyBoy; GOPsterinMA
RE:”Without Dr. Smith, you’d not have had much of a show. I preferred the pilot episode (which was superior in black & white, as it felt like a Twilight Zone episode), where Smith was outright evil who tried to murder the Robinsons & Major West. Had they kept that dark edge throughout, it would’ve been top-notch sci-fi. Sadly, they decided to make it appeal more to the kiddies and made it more comical.”

The actual two hour black and white pilot did not include Smith or the robot.

The pilot was edited to include the Dr Smith spy Saboteur plot and resulted in the first four episodes, the best ones in my opinion. I agree with your assessment, it was greatly improved,

There was no Smith Robot comedy team skits in those first few episodes, Smith controlled the robot and ordered him to kill the Robinson family one by one when caught alone to leave Don to fly him back to earth. Recall the one eyed giants and the planet freezing then heating in short cycles.

I have seen the pilot a few times and the opening episodes many more. I saw the opening episodes as a child its first run in the 1960s and every show scared the heck out of us little kids,

It plays on MeTV Saturdays midnight's.

Eventually Smith character evolved into a lazy selfish Gilligan.

104 posted on 05/05/2015 6:45:55 PM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: sickoflibs; fieldmarshaldj; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale; Impy; BillyBoy; GOPsterinMA

” It plays on MeTV Saturdays midnight’s.”

Thanks. I haven’t seen it since the mid 1960’s.


105 posted on 05/05/2015 6:50:09 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: stephenjohnbanker; fieldmarshaldj; NFHale; Impy; BillyBoy; GOPsterinMA
RE:”” It plays on MeTV Saturdays midnight’s.”
.....
Thanks. I haven’t seen it since the mid 1960’s”

MeTV Saturday nights:

9pm Star Trek
10pm Horror movie
12 midnight Lost in Space
1am Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea

metvnetwork.com schedule 5/9/2015

106 posted on 05/05/2015 7:14:32 PM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: sickoflibs; Impy

Curious. That means I may never have seen the actual pilot, but the “reedited” version that was the first aired episode. I see the unaired pilot is up online:
www.hulu.com/watch/148

I do remember reading that Roddenberry was invited by CBS to pitch Star Trek (this around 1964), but the executives were really trying to find out what his idea was and steal parts of it to do their own sci-fi series (which, of course, became “Lost In Space”).


107 posted on 05/05/2015 7:26:15 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: ConfusedAndLovingIt

dear confuse,

one-handed typo.

s/b FIRST, not fist.

I am glad you caught that, and asked me about it.
Thank you.


108 posted on 05/05/2015 7:36:14 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: Jack Hydrazine

No, no, no! She was a red skirt, and a mini at that. The 60’ made me a leg man.


109 posted on 05/05/2015 7:38:22 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Impy
RE:”I do remember reading that Roddenberry was invited by CBS to pitch Star Trek (this around 1964), but the executives were really trying to find out what his idea was and steal parts of it to do their own sci-fi series (which, of course, became “Lost In Space”).:

Star Trek did exactly the same thing as Lost in Space did years earlier, took the pilot and added new scenes with new characters reworking the plot (the trial of Spock) creating the only two part Star Trek, The Menagerie with the teenage Jesus, Jeffrey Hunter, .

110 posted on 05/05/2015 7:53:31 PM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: fieldmarshaldj
RE:”Curious. That means I may never have seen the actual pilot, but the “reedited” version that was the first aired episode. I see the unaired pilot is up online:
www.hulu.com/watch/148”

Its fun to watch the pilot first then the show episodes, to compare them, the Dr Smith evil plot with the robot being programmed to kill really spiced it up.

Again, me and my siblings as kids were wired up every show in suspense,

111 posted on 05/05/2015 7:57:46 PM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: sickoflibs; Impy; BillyBoy

Yup, I remember that well. One wonders how well the series would’ve done had Hunter stayed with the show (his wife’s interference, insisting he only be filmed from certain angles, helped to speed up his departure before they filmed the second pilot). Captain Pike was a thoroughly different character from Kirk: introspective, reticent and angst-ridden. Although it would’ve been interesting to watch, I don’t think it would’ve remotely had the impact or been as popular (another serious problem with the pilot: other than for Spock, the rest of the characters were very bland and forgettable, even Majel Barrett’s Number One, who was ostensibly the older sister of Nurse Chapel. I did like John Hoyt’s wise Dr. Boyce, but he also was far different from Dr. McCoy). They were more militaristic and by-the-book in style, and I can’t imagine how they could’ve played in Trek episodes with Kirk & crew.


112 posted on 05/05/2015 8:25:53 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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RE:”Yup, I remember that well. One wonders how well the series would’ve done had Hunter stayed with the show (his wife’s interference, insisting he only be filmed from certain angles, helped to speed up his departure before they filmed the second pilot). Captain Pike was a thoroughly different character from Kirk: introspective, reticent and angst-ridden. Although it would’ve been interesting to watch, I don’t think it would’ve remotely had the impact or been as popular...”

The William Shatner Captain Kirk show was action, adventure, suspense.

Kirk's fight scenes with the judo flips and karate chops and Spock's knockout pinch (with the action background music ) with the close to death scenes were what we remember about the show.

113 posted on 05/05/2015 8:45:56 PM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: sickoflibs

Not to mention sex every week. While Shatner’s Kirk’s libido was off the charts, Hunter’s Pike would’ve been a lot more careful about whom he climbed into bed with. Kirk would’ve bedded Susan Oliver’s hauntingly beautiful Vina without batting an eyelash, while Pike presumably never did until his crippled self was returned to Talos IV.


114 posted on 05/05/2015 9:45:07 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; NFHale; GOPsterinMA; stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs; BillyBoy

“Majel Barrett’s Number One, who was ostensibly the older sister of Nurse Chapel”

That would make sense, lol. They really missed an opportunity for the reboots there. I liked “Dr. Boyce” as well, they could have included him too. Though I have to say the new McCoy is easily the best imitation. I think a straight up “prequel” rather than a reboot would have been better. A young Kirk and Spock serving under Pike. Not a young Kirk becoming Captain of the ship under absurd circumstances.

I am familiar with “Lost in Space” of course but I haven’t seen it much of it. I liked Guy William on “Zorro” (which they re-ran on the Disney Channel when I was a kid) but LIS kinda sounds like garbage.

I was surprised when I read “Dr Smith” actor Jonathan Harris wasn’t a flaming homo as he seemed.


115 posted on 05/05/2015 11:51:12 PM PDT by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: Impy; NFHale; GOPsterinMA; stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs; BillyBoy

The problem with such a prequel is that other than for Spock, none of the rest of the crew served under Pike. Kirk served under different Captains elsewhere (he DID jump from junior officer (LT) to acting Captain when Garrovick and senior officers were killed by that cloud creature), but he wasn’t an untrained teenager straight off the Iowa farm.

All the others were also not there: McCoy followed Boyce and Piper — in fact Piper, played by legendary Westerner actor Paul Fix, should’ve been the doctor in the Abrams “reboot”; Scott would’ve been serving on another ship; Ditto Uhura (who would’ve been an Ensign or Cadet). Sulu (who was still an astrophysicist before switching to move up in the command chain, and also would likely still have been at a university getting his degree); Chekov, in high school. Why it was all so ludicrous.

Back to LIS, after the initial “dark” episodes, it’s better viewed as an adventure/comedy. When they got up to the ep where folks were turned into vegetables, you know even the cast is thinking this is messed up.

You’re right about Harris, he did set off my gaydar something fierce (and worrisome, his interactions with Billy Mumy had more... disturbing... implications). I was reminded of a contemporary show (to LIS), “I Dream Of Jeannie” with the character of Col. Bellows, the doctor, who always seemed bothered and prissy (although as it turned out, all the “crazy stuff” he thought he saw wasn’t in his head). Hayden Roarke, who did a masterful job in the role, was homosexual (but not closeted).


116 posted on 05/06/2015 1:40:41 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Impy; fieldmarshaldj
That would make sense, lol. They really missed an opportunity for the reboots there. I liked “Dr. Boyce” as well, they could have included him too. Though I have to say the new McCoy is easily the best imitation. I think a straight up “prequel” rather than a reboot would have been better. A young Kirk and Spock serving under Pike. Not a young Kirk becoming Captain of the ship under absurd circumstances.

They could have dusted off Harve Bennett's proposed "Starfleet Academy" idea that would have been Star Trek VI.

You’re right about Harris, he did set off my gaydar something fierce (and worrisome, his interactions with Billy Mumy had more... disturbing... implications). I was reminded of a contemporary show (to LIS), “I Dream Of Jeannie” with the character of Col. Bellows, the doctor, who always seemed bothered and prissy (although as it turned out, all the “crazy stuff” he thought he saw wasn’t in his head). Hayden Roarke, who did a masterful job in the role, was homosexual (but not closeted).

What did you think of Gary Oldman's take on the character in the LIS movie?
117 posted on 05/06/2015 1:50:04 PM PDT by Galactic Overlord-In-Chief (Our Joe Wilson can take the Dems' Joe Wilson any day of the week)
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To: Galactic Overlord-In-Chief

Meh, while the LIS movie was interesting visually, the story was weak as hell. I don’t think anyone came off well in it, including Oldman.


118 posted on 05/06/2015 2:00:32 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Impy; fieldmarshaldj; NFHale; stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs; BillyBoy

“I was surprised when I read “Dr Smith” actor Jonathan Harris wasn’t a flaming homo as he seemed.”

Then there’s hope for Khent.


119 posted on 05/06/2015 2:20:08 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Impy; NFHale; stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs; BillyBoy

Are you a Trekkie?


120 posted on 05/06/2015 2:29:39 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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