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The Reality Of Google v. Apple
Mac 360 ^ | May 13th, 2015 | Kate MacKenzie

Posted on 05/13/2015 7:42:33 PM PDT by Swordmaker

Quick. Name an innovation leader in the field of technology. If you chose Samsung over Apple, then you should visit an ophthalmologist. Or, a psychiatrist. Or, both.

If you chose Google over Apple then you can be excused for your oversight as you’re merely a pawn being manipulated by the technorati elite who have yet to fully grasp the various forms of innovation. If you chose Apple, then you’re obviously a well bred, highly educated person with a good perspective on reality.

PR Fluff vs. Reality

Google makes the vast majority of revenue and profits the old fashioned way– search engine advertising. Attempts to diversify the company’s revenue and profits have largely failed.

So, how is it that Google gets named as an innovator if it’s still doing what it always has– collect personal information from users and sell it to advertising?

Public relations. As is the case with any large company with too much money on hand and an inability to diversify itself, Google has plenty going on in R&D– research and development.

Take the famed and fabled self-driving car that Google trots out from time to time. Can you buy one? Nope. Does Google sell the technology? Nope. Self driving vehicles may make great TV news and PR, and they may be the norm at some point in the distant future, but for now, it’s all Google vaporware.

Wait. What about Google Glass? That’s innovative, right? Can you buy Google Glass? Nope. If you bought Google Glass in the past you’re were automatically entered into the Glasshole community of pariahs. Glass left a bad taste in the world.

Alright, how does Apple’s form of innovation stack up against Google’s obvious failures?

The original Apple personal computer and the Mac are well known as innovations which drove the PC market for years. Since then, and especially with the second coming of co-founder Steve Jobs, Apple has manufactured a string of hit products which have impacted hundreds of millions of people throughout the world.

Apple retail stores, iPod, iTunes, iTunes Music Store, iPhone, iTunes App Store, iPad, and others are obvious for their impact on humanity and for bringing riches to Apple; a well-diversified technology company where products work well together to bring customers joy of owners and personal productivity, a stark contrast to the search engine giant that makes money by selling your personal information.

Wait. What about Google’s Android? Honestly, you’re going there? It’s been a money pit for Google with losses in the tens of billions. Besides, look at what an Android smartphone looked like before the iPhone launched in 2007, then look at it now. Xerox much, Google?

The point is this. Google gets a free ride, good press based upon projects which are little more than pie-in-the-sky distractions which take attention away from reality– Google is a one-trick pony that cannot shake itself away from search engine advertising.


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1 posted on 05/13/2015 7:42:33 PM PDT by Swordmaker
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To: Swordmaker

Wow. How can you argue with an article that handles a topic like this do objectively?

;-)


2 posted on 05/13/2015 7:45:31 PM PDT by bolobaby
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To: Swordmaker

Wow. How can you argue with an article that handles a topic like this so objectively?

;-)


3 posted on 05/13/2015 7:46:00 PM PDT by bolobaby
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4 posted on 05/13/2015 7:48:35 PM PDT by Swordmaker ( This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contnue...)
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To: bolobaby
Wow. How can you argue with an article that handles a topic like this do objectively?

Try rebutting it. . .

5 posted on 05/13/2015 7:49:14 PM PDT by Swordmaker ( This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contnue...)
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To: bolobaby

Draw your lines, then plot your points, then gather data.


6 posted on 05/13/2015 7:49:52 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (When things are rightly ordered, man is steward of God's gifts and civil law enables him to do so.)
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To: Swordmaker

google hasn’t done anything worth while since google search/gmail. They’re making a lot of money because they have market dominance


7 posted on 05/13/2015 7:50:32 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: bolobaby
How can you argue with an article that handles a topic like this so objectively?

Wearing the label "hater".

8 posted on 05/13/2015 7:52:58 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Swordmaker
You fanboies bore the rest of us...
9 posted on 05/13/2015 7:54:28 PM PDT by Neidermeyer ("Our courts should not be collection agencies for crooks." — John Waihee, Governor of Hawaii, 1986-)
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To: bolobaby

Do a patent search on Apple and Google over the 10, 15, 20 years. You pick. Get back to us with the results. You currently speak from ignorance.


10 posted on 05/13/2015 7:54:45 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Neidermeyer
You fanboies bore the rest of us...

If you are so bored, what are you doing wasting your and our time making this comment. We are bored of trite comments like yours.

11 posted on 05/13/2015 7:57:55 PM PDT by Swordmaker ( This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contnue...)
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To: Neidermeyer
You fanboies bore the rest of us...

There is a very interesting article immediately following this one on Obama taking over the news and planning on controlling thought in this country. Since this thread bores you, go on to that one and not be bored out of your skull, Neidermeyer. Here, I'll hold the door open for you on your way out:

More interesting topic on Obama being a tyrant.

See ya!

12 posted on 05/13/2015 8:02:42 PM PDT by Swordmaker ( This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contnue...)
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To: Swordmaker

I don’t like Google but this article is garbage.


13 posted on 05/13/2015 8:04:31 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Swordmaker
LOL! Great response.

And I note you were kind enough to not point out that he spelled "fanbois" incorrectly. Good for you.

14 posted on 05/13/2015 8:15:13 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...sounding pretty good about now.)
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To: Swordmaker

They forget the color screen to color printing synchronization technology, something no one has been capable of doing well. Microsoft having to pay Apple for the technology.


15 posted on 05/13/2015 8:34:44 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall no)
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To: Henry Hnyellar
"Do a patent search on Apple and Google over the 10, 15, 20 years. You pick. Get back to us with the results..."

Well, a quick GOOGLE search pulled up this on the very first page, an article comparing "the big 3" of Microsoft, Apple and Google.

Article Comparing Patent Filings of Microsoft, Apple and Google

According to the article, which looks at number of patent filings and quality of patent filings, they rate them as the following for QUANTITY:

"Microsoft filed very few patents until about 2005, after which patent filings increased dramatically, peaking at about 3000 per year in 2008. They now have almost twice as many patents as Apple, with Google sitting between the two."

With respect to a more subject analysis of QUALITY, they have the following graphic:



So there is at least some justification for rating them in the order of:

(1) Google
(2) Apple
(3) Microsoft
by QUALITY.

However, in either QUANTITY or QUALITY, apparently Google surpasses Apple, based on the findings reported here.

I did not look up these patents, I am just passing along the first thing I found when I bothered to look.
16 posted on 05/13/2015 9:03:19 PM PDT by Rebel_Ace (HITLER! There, Zero to Godwin in 5.2 seconds.)
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To: Rebel_Ace
Pfft.

IBM has topped the annual list of U.S. patent recipients for the 20th consecutive year. From 1993-2012, IBM inventors received nearly 67,000 U.S. patents, and in 2012 alone, received a record 6,478 patents, exceeding the combined totals of Accenture, Amazon, Apple, EMC, HP, Intel, Oracle/SUN and Symantec.

I don't really want to defend either company, and I feel filthy for writing this post.

Apple is the best at aesthetic design, and customer satisfaction. But the only truly innovative thing Apple has done is the iPhone. The iPhone does deserve to be considered a great innovation, but the rest of the article's claims to innovation don't really stand up. Every silicon valley company builds on the work of others, and Apple is no exception. Ahem, Xerox.

Google makes the vast majority of revenue and profits the old fashioned way– search engine advertising. Attempts to diversify the company’s revenue and profits have largely failed.

This is sort of true, although I would give Google more credit in its search engine business model than the author. Until Google came along, no one had really figured out how to make money on internet search, even Yahoo. They did it, and are still rolling in money because of it.

I would also rank Google Maps highly, that has affected people's lives as much as the author is solely reserving for Apple products.

Take the famed and fabled self-driving car that Google trots out from time to time. Can you buy one? Nope. Does Google sell the technology? Nope. Self driving vehicles may make great TV news and PR, and they may be the norm at some point in the distant future, but for now, it’s all Google vaporware.

True, but I kind of like that the current internet billionaires are spending money on trying to build the next big thing, rather than sports cars and big houses.

The money thrown around by Google may not pay off for Google, but they are driving innovation that will pay off someday somewhere. I think the world and the economy will be better off with self driving cars than from iTunes.

17 posted on 05/13/2015 9:21:17 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

No doubt IBM is a “Patent Monster”, and your points are all well taken. I have no favorite dog in this hunt. It was just that the poster Henry Hnyellar threw down the “look it up”challenge, so l did.


18 posted on 05/13/2015 9:49:18 PM PDT by Rebel_Ace (HITLER! There, Zero to Godwin in 5.2 seconds.)
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To: Rebel_Ace
I'm not criticizing you in particular. I just wanted to point out that Google, Apple, or Microsoft, are not really great patent wise. They do work relating to their current business, and that is ok of course. IBM, for comparison, does a lot of fundamental research which Apple and Google don't do.

IBM written in Xenon atoms.

People think Apple is a world beater and will stay forever, but I can think of one area that they are critically lacking, and that is in the big data/ analytics/ cloud side. That is the current "next big thing," and they are not a big player in it. They even had to team with IBM to get a big data health care application. If anything on the horizon will kill Apple, it will be that it is not the owner of a lot of big data sets, except maybe what their Apple Pay app generates.

19 posted on 05/13/2015 10:11:37 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Rebel_Ace
I just read the Ambercite Amberscore criteria on how they determined the "value" of patents. . . and it is essentially an algorithm that they use to weight heavily patents that are "similar" in type. In other words the more similar patents a patent has in its citations and the more times IT is cited by other similar patents, the greater it is valued for strength.

That is not an indicator of "innovation", or real strength. That would be an indicator of "ME TOO", and indicate a patent of LOW VALUE, with low probability of licensing revenues.

Apple has a lot of innovative patents and patents they DO NOT LICENSE. . . and patents that are not licensed do not get cited in other patents. Ergo, they are not going to have a high-citation rate. Microsoft, in 2005 embarked on patenting lots of CODE. . . not hardware, or technical development. Every piece of code their coders came up with was immediately sent to legal, cited out the kazoo with previous work by Microsoft, and then sent off with a patent application. The next revision of that same code, same thing. . . and so on. That flurry of software and algorithm patents out of Microsoft is what is being shown on that chart.

In 2010, or so, when the lawsuits against Android started climbing, Google had a very small patent portfolio and started aggressively buying patents to build a patent warchest. The bought Motorola not for it's cellular phone division, which they dumped in less than two years, but for it's more than 16,000 patents to be able to use them in the more than 50 patent infringement lawsuits that had been brought against it by Microsoft, Oracle, Apple, and a host of other companies for theft of Intellectual property which they had stuffed into Android without bothering to license it. So far, those purchases of patents have not done them much good in those cases. . . and the old patents in there, although some are "high quality," according to Amberscore, they are too old to be much use. . . because they are FRAND encumbered patents.

"Google must have understood how weak its own position was. When Jobs announced the iPhone, Google had earned only 38 patents since its founding. Thirty-eight! To equal Apple’s phone, Google rushed to release Android, relatively old software that Google had acquired. It is open source, and was poorly defended with intellectual property."—"Google’s Growing Patent Stockpile" — By Antonio Regalado on November 29, 2013, Technology Review

At the time when Google had just 38 patents in its portfolio, Apple had thousands, but only about 450 of those applied to mobile communications. . . . but many of them applied to handheld computers and PDAs having pioneered the PDA market with the Newton back in the late 1980-1997, plus more thousands on small computers, and computer GUIs and computer interfaces. Apple also had licenses for a lot more from almost every other company that Google had not bothered to get.

Just yesterday, Apple was granted 29 new patents in various technical areas and the day before over 40. . . including one for a liquid metal screw that doesn't require machining after casting. Last month they were granted patents on new types of 18K gold alloys that were twice as strong and up to 60% lighter than normal 18K gold alloys.

According to Business insider, In 2014:

The patent wars may or may not be beneficial to the companies. . . or to our economy. The problem is the patent trolls who are not productive with the patents that have amassed not by invention or inheritance, but by purchase or assignment, and use obscure minor overly broad claims that are not at all germane to the patent which are included in them to extort money from people who are actually doing something with other patents that are valid but can be challenged using the claims of the older patent's claims.

20 posted on 05/13/2015 10:25:51 PM PDT by Swordmaker ( This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contnue...)
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