Posted on 06/01/2015 12:47:32 PM PDT by StevenCrowder
While I have my doubts about the effectiveness (or wisdom) of this sort of treatment, I don't care really if people want to make their bodies into whatever they like.
What I do care about, rather passionately, is the celebration of this as some sort of hip thing to do. Kids growing up these days have enough on their plates, and don't need to be pushed into directions they may live to regret.
We agree completely. This “celebration” is misplaced. She should be accepted, is all. The over the top worship of her bravery is possibly patronizing because it’s so uncomfortable. It is not right.
But I can’t blame jenner for wanting after 65 years to see if this helps.
My thoughts on Caitlin Jenner (from a scene in the movie Tootsie):
Rita: I’d like to make her look a little more attractive, how far can you pull back?
Cameraman: How do you feel about Cleveland?
It's difficult to figure out how to respond to a post when you don't know what on earth the other person is talking about. And I don't...even after reading your post three times.
Unkind? How is it unkind to reference various mental illnesses and demonstrate why humoring them---which IS what you are doing, even though you think it's simply being compassionate---is harmful?
Or do you see me as being unkind because I mentioned kleptomania when your sister-in-law had it? (Which I am sorry for, BTW). Every time you see kleptomania referenced, do you view it as a personal insult?
" I didn't say humor, I said show compassion for people with a disorder like this. Like any other mental disorder."
More than once you've said that what Jenner is doing is a welcome cure for his problem. It is not, just as the above examples are not cures for those problems. Just as I have posted to you before, if it were a cure, those people wouldn't have such a high rate of suicide AFTER surgery, etc. But you have yet to respond to that truth.
"Yes. My late sister-in-law did have kleptomania among manias. She did get caught stealing small items that she had plenty of money in her purse to pay for. Her doctors went into court to keep her out of jail the third time. She needed to be supervised from then on in shops. We need to have compassion for people with mental disorders. We do.
It upsets me that people here feel they are so religious and thus holier but they don't have compassion for the person with mental differences. I have no problem with people ripping the agenda of the media promoting transexuals. But the person themselves is trying desperately to feel normal, which may or not be possible. My heart goes out to everyone with this condition."
The thing you refuse to see, or possibly dismiss, is that these people are part of an agenda to make gender irrelevant and to promote perversion in a quest to ultimately destroy the family...Jenner included. Sorry, but my compassion is in short supply for that. I am sick to DEATH of the perversion I see all around me, and the simple fact is that what Jenner has done to himself IS perversion.
Jenner and others like him reject God's creation and natural order. Is it any wonder that they're still miserable after they finish messing themselves up?
A person doesn't have to be the Apostle Paul to understand that.
Your TONE is arrogant and negative. Nowhere in your posts is there any human kindness for your fellow.
Compassion is not humoring. Loving your fellow as yourself is not humoring; your use of the word shows meanness.
I have NEVER said, not more than once as you say, that what Jenner is doing is a cure. I have only said that after he lived 60 odd years as a man, hiding his brain dysfunction and being miserable, the only treatment available to him appears to be trying life as the brain gender. It’s a treatment. Surely not a cure. It’s also a treatment with only 50% chance of success (success being contentment). Thus it is a bad treatment. But nothing else is out there.
You’re right. I checked. You didn’t call it a cure...you called it a fix. Splitting hairs.
The cure would be therapy which addresses the insane belief that a man is really a woman. THAT is what needs to be dealt with.
You’ve also said that we should be happy for transgenders because otherwise they would kill themselves. But, yet again and as always, you refuse to comment on the FACT that they often kill themselves after their...”fix.”
But then that would require you to see this issue more logically and, yes, sanely. As it is, you’re flying along on pure, unadulterated emotion, and the high is only increased by your sanctimony and self-righteousness, as though you’re the only Freeper with a (sob) heart.
It’s like trying to make a liberal see sense...it’s a doomed endeavor.
I doubt it. He'll be dropped as soon as a new freak show comes along.
Remember Chastity Bono, the former poster child for "transgenderism"? Yeah, well, no one else remembers her, either.
See, if it’s truly possible that a male body can be born with the wrong brain, or that a female body can be born with a male brain… it forces the left to concede that gender is not merely a product of societal construct, but biology. If, in order to avoid classifying transgenderism as a psychiatric disorder, we’re required to recognize the inherent biological, scientifically measurable differences between genders… that creates incredible contradictions for feminism, gay rights progress and ultimately, yes, transgenderism.
All tiny early embryos are essentially female. At some time early in development, the gonads form, and when they form, they produce hormones. The embryos whose gonads produce testosterone then undergo male-specific development--their brains take on male characteristics, their bodies go on to form male genitalia. (That is, unless they have a genetic defect that prevents their bodies from responding to the testosterone, which happens very rarely.) The embryos whose gonads do not produce testosterone continue on the female development path.
I think that those who suffer from "gender dysmorphic disorder" do not really suffer from a disorder related to their gender at all. I think that they suffer from a disorder that causes them to want to distance themselves from who they are, to be another person. And since that is impossible, they fixate on the closest thing--their gender, because gender is so closely related to identity. If they can change their gender, they believe that they will become someone else. But it doesn't work that way--after steroid use and physical mutilation, they are *still* the same person they were before, just in worse physical condition.
"Gender dysmorphic disorder" needs to be treated, and better treatment options desperately need to be researched. The barbaric practice of pumping up its victims with steroids and surgically mutilating them needs to be stopped. I'm sure it's very lucrative for those involved in the practice, so there is not much incentive to come up with real treatments.
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