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A Thoughtless Age: The Liberal Arts Are Dead
Pajamas Media ^ | 08/12/2015 | Spengler

Posted on 08/12/2015 7:40:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 08/12/2015 7:40:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

They still get government jobs with that.


2 posted on 08/12/2015 7:42:00 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women)
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To: SeekAndFind

Not to mention a house note's worth of student loan debt for that 4 year "degree".

3 posted on 08/12/2015 7:45:57 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: SeekAndFind
"Don Juan. Without Mozart, he would be forgotten."

WRONG

This author is full of it.

4 posted on 08/12/2015 7:48:04 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: SeekAndFind

Interesting article. I didn’t appreciate some of the great Greek tragedies and comedies as fully as I did after reading up on the Peloponnesian war.


5 posted on 08/12/2015 7:50:12 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (''Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small''~ Theodore Dalrymple)
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To: SeekAndFind

People too often allow the word “Liberal” throw them.

Hillsdale college is a liberal arts school with a truly historic list of alumnus and speakers. Fredrick Douglass, Ronald Reagan, Margret Thatcher....


6 posted on 08/12/2015 7:51:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Sad fact, most people just want a candidate to tell them what they want to hear)
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To: SeekAndFind
There is a deeper problem, though: Why should we read works by long-dead authors with concerns entirely different than ours, and if we should, how can we do so?

Shakespeare, Goethe, etc. use UNIVERSAL themes.

If the retard who wrote this crap doesn't know that, he is clueless on the topic he is pretending to write about.

7 posted on 08/12/2015 7:54:00 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s hard to find a rendition of classic theater uncorrupted by postmodern directorial whim

Regarding today’s RCC, that can be nicely restated: ‘It’s hard to find a rendition of classsic worship uncorrupted by postmodern litugical whim...’


8 posted on 08/12/2015 8:03:19 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (build)
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To: MarvinStinson

Shakespeare, Goethe, etc. use UNIVERSAL themes.

If the retard who wrote this crap doesn’t know that, he is clueless on the topic he is pretending to write about.

Hmm...I do believe the author knows that,and is using irony...

seems he succeeded...


9 posted on 08/12/2015 8:10:15 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (build)
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To: SeekAndFind

The liberal arts are not dead, but sleeping.


10 posted on 08/12/2015 8:18:13 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.)
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To: IrishBrigade

Hnnnm-

Your ‘author’ is fixated on Catholicism and Spain and uses his own petty fixation to veer far from the title of the article.

The moron who wrote the article lives in the world of Johnny Depp.

That says everything anyone needs to know about him.


11 posted on 08/12/2015 8:18:25 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: MarvinStinson

You may have missed the sarcasm.


12 posted on 08/12/2015 8:19:16 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thank you for posting. As Mark Steyn always points out, we lost the culture and now are losing the political battle. The author is spot on regardless of what your fellow Freepers pontificate. They forget that Cultural Marxism has always viewed the family, education and the Church (the true church) as the targets...


13 posted on 08/12/2015 8:20:01 AM PDT by fatez (Ya, well, you know, that's just your opinion man...)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Don Juan exists to prove by construction that a devout Christian can be a sociopath, and by extension, that the Christian world can be ruled by sociopaths. The Enlightenment’s most insidious attack on Catholic faith, then, came not from atheists like Voltaire, but from a Spanish monk with buried Jewish sensibilities.”

Somebody is screwed up somewhere. Don Juan may have been a devout Catholic or a devout Baptist (plug in your most hated denomination) but you can be either and not be a devout Christian. I John and other passages make it abundantly clear that you can be deceived about your own heart and its motives but that doesn’t make you a Christian.

And you know that murderers don’t have eternal life within them. ... who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him. ...

And you know that murderers don’t have eternal life within them. ... who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him. ...

I’m sure it’s equally true of sociopaths.


14 posted on 08/12/2015 8:21:27 AM PDT by Lake Living
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To: SeekAndFind

Sorry, that second Bible quote was supposed to be

Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister is still in the darkness.


15 posted on 08/12/2015 8:23:11 AM PDT by Lake Living
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To: Fester Chugabrew

You may have missed the lack of competence and bias this author displays on the subject he writes about.


16 posted on 08/12/2015 8:23:42 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: SeekAndFind

A very erudite commentary by Goldman.

I’m sure the three or four people who will read and understand it will be suitably impressed.

The Great Qustions asked of mankind are not easily answered. They require a great deal of contemplation, and contemplation requires free time. It requires lots of free time.

We live in a world with several billion people who do not have the time, energy, training or inclination to contemplate the Great Questions. They are trying to put dinner on the table and keep a roof over their heads. If you want people to take some of their precious time and follow the Liberal Arts, then you must show how it is of benefit for them to do so. And you must explain it in a way that several billion people without the benefit of years of philosophical training can understand.

You can’t force a person’s head into a plate of Liberal Arts stew and expect them to enjoy it. They must be brought to it.

The way to do this is to show them how enjoyable a poem or a painting or a book can be. Once they taste fine poetry, they will hunger for more. This will lead them to consider what it is that causes the poet to write the poem. This opens up a new world.

One of the biggest fights here on Free Republic is the fight over the purpose of education. Many people rightly claim that education should be training for a vocation. But is all life merely the drudgery of work? Is that the ultimate goal?

And so much Liberal Arts education is so poorly done. It must support the revolution or stroke the instructor’s ego.

Yes, a Liberal Arts education is good for everyone, but it must be done well and it must be shown to be of benefit.


17 posted on 08/12/2015 8:27:40 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SeekAndFind

art is dead .....long live art


18 posted on 08/12/2015 8:28:24 AM PDT by woofie
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To: IrishBrigade

More of this is badly needed. Our literature is totally debased. His examples may not be within the general reading of many people but his points are correct.

I read Tirso de Molina in the original when I was majoring in romance languages and I found Don Juan (El Burlador de Sevilla) bombastic and not very comprehensible but then my professor was only concerned that we write essays on it (in Spanish) with all our accents correct and proper grammar. I had no one to help me look at these deeper implications. Especially important is his take on how the original audiences viewed it.

We are soaked in irony, which David Foster Wallace pointed out has a short shelf life and a very narrow world-view. Our writers are trapped in irony, cynicism, sarcasm. Most novels I read (novels of ‘literary fiction’) have tiresome, shallow, mean-spirited characters and really awful plots.

I would rather read YA dystopian novels.

So our ‘literary world’ is trapped in cynicism and can’t find any way out, because anything else would seem ‘sentimental’, or ‘mindless action’.

Or at least their critics would say so.

I read almost nothing of how low our literary fiction has fallen. We need many more articles of this kind.


19 posted on 08/12/2015 8:28:40 AM PDT by squarebarb ( Fairy tales are basically true.)
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To: MarvinStinson

Do you really think he is ignorant of Shakespeare and Goethe and questions of universal import? Did you read the whole article?


20 posted on 08/12/2015 8:31:54 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.)
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