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terrifying moment world's largest passenger plane lurches to one side as it battles high winds
Daily Mail ^ | 25 Sept 2015 | J. Huchinson

Posted on 09/25/2015 4:21:03 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

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To: SgtBob
Here is an interesting thread on this very subject. Most of the pilots feel it is to much for the rudder to handle and the engines may overheat in a slip. I still don't really buy it. Face it crabbing takes zero skill, until the very end then it is a panic filled 3 seconds when you do everything at once.

Wisdom of side-slipping a large jet?

61 posted on 09/25/2015 7:01:26 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I only read the first of the link you sent, but it was very interesting. Swept wings require large aileron input, and small rudder input to slip, and fly-by-wire appears to not allow it. MD 83 v some FBW bird.

I love the slip. I love high approaches so I can do some extreme forward slips. Heck, it’s the closest I can get to flying a knife edge pass!


62 posted on 09/25/2015 7:16:03 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: SgtBob

Seems to me once you get the slip going it is more like driving a car than a plane. I find the crab a bit weird flying at an angle to the center line. I guess it is just preference.


63 posted on 09/25/2015 7:20:34 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Didn’t appear to be that difficult a landing.

Look at these for comparison :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P9OAng32F0 Crosswind difficulties - winter 2013/14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shQpiTooLZ4 Crosswind Landings 2015 - Ultimate Compilation


64 posted on 09/25/2015 9:25:01 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (Buy stock in Bear Port-a-Potties!)
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To: central_va

Because the Airbus side stick commands roll rate instead of roll angle, you never slip an Airbus in a crosswind except at the last possible moment in the flare. Not only that, but a slip is a very inefficient method. Crab until flare is best.


65 posted on 09/25/2015 10:33:33 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: central_va
IMO a side slip is less scary and easier than crabbing. For some reason the jet Jockies always crab.


Yes, but a sideslip can drag a wing tip or a low slung pylon engine if the cross wind gets to a high enough level.

Landing a sailplane with long wings demands a crabbed final approach.

For any non-pilots reading -


66 posted on 09/25/2015 10:49:12 PM PDT by az_gila
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To: tanknetter

Wow.


67 posted on 09/25/2015 11:49:52 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Operation Wetback II, now with computers)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

My sentiments [from a comment to the original article with British spelling ;-)]:

Philip, London, United Kingdom, about 5 hours ago

Mail Makes SENSATIONAL Headline Over Perfectly Normal Aircraft Manoeuvre! Move along, folks - nothing to see here.


68 posted on 09/26/2015 4:50:36 AM PDT by Crazy Jim (There are known unknowns and then there are unknown unknowns. - Donald Rumsfeld)
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To: central_va

We jet jockies crab because they are swept wing airplanes.


69 posted on 09/26/2015 5:09:16 AM PDT by CFIIIMEIATP737
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To: tanknetter

Are they controlled or do they ‘swivel caster’?


70 posted on 09/26/2015 5:28:18 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (BINGO!)
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To: Crazy Jim

I sometimes suspect they watch Youtube for what’s hot, than start writing?


71 posted on 09/26/2015 5:42:51 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (BINGO!)
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To: central_va

OK. You’re right.

The side force on the wheel is identical whether it hits the runway pointing 15 deg off centerline or 0 deg off centerline.

Trigonometry doesn’t exist, and friction is a fiction.

Got it. You’re right.


72 posted on 09/26/2015 11:29:51 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: matthew fuller
Reminds me of an old joke:

Co-Pilot: Jeeze, this has to be the shortest runway in the world!

Pilot: Yeah, but look how wide it is!!!

73 posted on 09/26/2015 11:36:19 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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