Posted on 09/28/2015 1:50:38 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
You cannot be unaware that Win 7 and Win 10 are vastly different beasts in the matter of phoning home right?
We have an Apple Jihadist on FR. We don’t need a Windows version. Relax.
Yea but I’m a purist you know ;)
Enlighten me. Vastly different beasts how? Keep in mind I am a Microsoft certified professional with over 15 years in supporting Microsoft technologies from desktop to server to Hyper-V. If you know something I don’t, I’m genuinely curious to know what it is.
Hear that.
I’m already getting irritated at the thought of that pansy-boy McCarthy lying to us daily for the next several years.
Then you are well aware that 10 introduced a lot of data collection ‘features’ that were not in 7.
As a professional you also are well aware that being 2 generations newer, pretty much defines being different beasts unless you want to try convincing the class that MS simply reskinned the Win7 interface and it’s really the dame program. Because I assure your professional self that they are not the same animal. Perhaps you’d like to try loading a Win 10 driver on a Win7 box and telling me how it worked out for you.
I get that you wanna shame me for my transgression and all but it’s not a radical statement to say that win7 and 10 are different beasts.
Don’t be glum chum! It’s a lesser evil! And besides, plenty of fine upstanding freeper patriots will tell you that lesser evil is what we want, not that purist conservative crap. The way to real conservatism is by electing evil!
Yea I know. But there are a lot of idiots in the fold unfortunately.
Windows 10 added preference tracking where Windows 7 did not have it. You’re referring to things like the Cortana interface which does the exact same thing that Apple’s Siri does. In order to produce results for voice inquiries, the data is sent to Microsoft to analyze and produce results using Bing. This is functionally no different than browsing to Bing on your computer and typing in a search.
You’re talking about the gulf of change between Windows 7 and Windows 10, and at the kernel level, they are very different. Windows Vista introduced a revolutionary change in kernel-mode addressing where drivers and applications had to perform kernel-mode addressing through a secure API vs. direct-addressing. This was in response to the increasingly difficult-to-patch Windows XP that had a kernel that was so overpatched as to become nearly impossible to use programmatically. Windows 7 built on the Windows Vista kernel, Windows 8 further expanded it, and now Window 10 is using a kernel that is arguably safer than anything Microsoft has ever developed. Combined with a UEFI BIOS, data execution prevention, and UAC, it’s very difficult to compromise the Windows OS kernel without a very deliberate attack against the core components of all the safeguards in place on a Microsoft OS. So yes, Norm, they are not the same animal. But I wasn’t attacking that assertion, I was attacking your statement that Microsoft is maliciously mining your personal data.
When you get a new iPhone, you get Siri and a whole raft of functionalities to make your phone a really cool tool. You can use AirDrop and AirPlay to share things from your phone. You can use Siri to ask about local restaurants. Geolocation technologies are turned on by default and help you to navigate unfamiliar locations. All of these technologies make your phone inherently unsafe. You’re sending data to Apple with Siri. AirDrop and AirPlay can be used to compromise your phone. BlueTooth and geolocation technologies can be used to track your every word and every move.
Microsoft simply joined the game by making their software “neat” to use. Where many of us have our operating systems locked down to our specifications, anyone new to a PC will undoubtedly love being able to ask Cortana to help them find a local restaurant or solve a homework problem. Like Siri, that data has to be digested somewhere: Microsoft. To help your browser home in on your location when looking up the weather forecast or the schedule for your hometown football team, geolocation technologies are turned on and provide that information to websites and data miners alike. Bluetooth and wireless technologies make your life easier by allowing you to beam your information anywhere. But those technologies also make your platform inherently unsafe.
The point here is that every new platform is going to have some new whizzbang functionality that everyone wants to use. No one every cares about how it works in the background. I’m not shaming you for your transgressions, I’m shaming you for your ignorance. If you think Microsoft is the only game in town doing this, you’re a fool.
And what in my statement led you to the conclusion I thought MS was unique in the spyware? Exactly what?
It is a dead set fact that prior to Win 10, MS was not on the Apple/NSA bandwagon at the pinnacle of data collection. It’s spyware crap was fractional by comparison. Now it is right there with them. That’s not a radical notion. And I would think that an MS cert pro would know something so basic that any 4channer understood and forgot 4 years ago.
I get it. They are going to get our data one way or the other. I’m not under any delusion otherwise. I am however not so willing to hand anyone the keys to the kingdom to search through my collection of guitar porn just cuz. They might expose my fetish for Jackson 6 strings.
Those data collection features were present in Windows 7. CEIP and telemetry have been present since Vista. Geolocation has been present since Windows 7. Windows 10 only introduced Cortana as a new technology.
My assertion from the beginning is that there's nothing nefarious in the OS that can't be turned off. You can turn off CEIP, Cortana, and the entire telemetry system in any version of Windows from 7 to 10. You can do the same in most Apple devices. Google, on the other hand, I don't trust as far as I could bankroll a lawsuit against them.
We're on the same page.
Actually, I don't know that at all, I know just the opposite to be true. Windows 10 launched globally in July. Months later there have been countless bugs discovered with more sure to come.
13 Windows 10 Bugs Microsoft Needs to Fix Right Now
If you are currently using Windows 10, you are, unwittingly, a Microsoft guinea pig. I'll pass.
Argumentum ad logicam
That makes a huge difference- I have a Celeron laptop that came with 4GB of RAM but supports up to 8GB; first thing I did was add memory and now it flies under Win10.
o o o o x x o x is hardly countless. And of the 13 you mention, I have noticed not one. Oh well.
If you believe bugs in the programming need be catastrophic or even noticeable by you for you to be a Microsoft guinea pig you are mistaken.
Opinions are like a**holes, everybody has one.
Facts aren’t opinions. And it is a fact that Microsoft is still working out the bugs in its latest release. If you are a user during this time you are in fact a guinea pig.
To what fallacy are you referring, MB?
Followed by 90 million roll-backs to previous versions.
Unfortunately, the new Dell I purchased came with Windows 10 pre-installed, so unless I buy a full-install version of “7”, I’m stuck. My wife upgraded from 7 to 10, tried 10 for a week, and rolled it back.
I respect your opinion. You may be taking a narrow view of W10 though, as specifically you may be right but it doesn’t matter. Windows 10 is a consumer product, whether home or business, and the product satisfies the consumer. One can argue about the details but the FACT remains the users are happy. Older people with a long history with MS may bring their prejudices with them and that may give them a narrower perspective. Perfection is the enemy of the possible.
I have a question, sort of off-topic, but does Windows 7 recognize HTML5?
Anyone know?
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