Posted on 01/09/2016 9:20:48 PM PST by nikos1121
I dabbled in muzzleloading firearms many years ago and had begun to get into "buckskinning" when other things intervened and put an early stop to it. The American frontier is endlessly fascinating no matter whether it was along the Blue Ridge, the Mississippi or the Rockies.
Mr. niteowl77
Yes, a little knowledge spoils it. I bought my first pistol last year this Rugar 38. It took me six weeks to my license because the background check found some obscure FBI finger printing of me form college when I was rounded up with five other fraternity brothers for having a case of beed IN THE TRUCK of our car. We were 20 years old. I paid a 25$ fine. Anyway I had to go to the trouble of getting that scrubbed.
Anyway, I decided to take lessons from an active ARmy Ranger. It was great. About the third lesson, he shows up with an authentic British Flint Lock pistol. It was actually a repro, so I thinking this going to be more reliable than the real thing.
It fired once out of five times, mainly because the air was pretty damp. I can’t imagine what it was like in Revolutionary times, fighting the Indians. Technically, in the movie it didn’t look like flint lock pistols, but still, they didn’t convey the ordeal of what it’s like to fight an army of Indians with their arrows coming down on you.
My trainer told me that the British Calvary officers would have 5 to 6 pistols in various holsters as they rode into battle.
I think you need a balance in movies like this, a great story line, that includes a love story or touching scenes of a man and woman, (not in dreamscape mode like this one), followed by the epic proportions of the scenery.
For me one star movie is junk, some 2 stars are worth seeing, 3 star means you were thoroughly entertained and enjoyed it, got your mony’s worth. 4 stars means the movie sticks with you for several days and beyond.
This was a 2 1/2 for me, maybe a three.
Clint Eastswoods movies are always 3 and 4s. Even some of the od ones, like Buckskin Billy
I thought the movie was a masterpiece.
It depicts the brutal struggle for life that all living creatures undergo. The main character’s story is simply the metaphor.
That blood is spilled, flesh torn, each life dying in turn, and yet always gasping in desperation after just that one more breath; and this never ending struggle taking place in a silent universe of cold, eternal, unspeakable beauty— that’s what the movie is trying to tell.
To me it was cinematic poetry. Bravo to the filmmaker.
Thank you will do.
People don’t realize how utterly cruel Indians were to other Indians. You had these huge tribes that would beat up and capture the smaller ones and take them into slavery.
Yeah, we took their land, and we’re still paying their descendants who look about as Indian as I do, which is nil.
I read somewhere where Trump had brought that up. These casinos on Indian Reservations, pay no taxes? So the pay outs are better so they’re killing the gamblinb business.
Trump knows more about the behind the scene working of this country than just about anyone. But, I’m sorry this is about The Frontiersman. Thank you for the post. How did you italize that word? I know you use the HTML but what is it?
Don’t disagree with you, as it’s a real experience, that one would lose watching at home. I just had some questions about some minor things, and they should have added some new romance esp between Glass and Potaqwa.
I don’t think a lot of people will want to see it, except if they’re DiCaprio fans.
Bear scene was really real life, no?
Hahahahahahaaaa. And you’re right. All the Arnold movies, he NEVER runs out of bullets. Still arming a flint lock pistol while your fleeing a band of Indians, riding bareback is a stretch.
You might have wanted to note you describe the entire movie...there are people who don’t want to know the details of the movie.
Also, you buy the $20 popcorn for the whole year? But you haven’t been to the movies in a long time?
What does packing heat in a theater have to do with the movie?
haven’t you ever had snowflakes fall on your tongue?
Couldn’t believe when I read your post. I’m reading The Frontiersmen right now for the third time. Love that book. I’ve always wished they would make 3 movie series out of that book.
You might have wanted to note you describe the entire movie...there are people who don’t want to know the details of the movie. NOT TRUE AND I STATE AT THE BEGINNING THIS IS FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE SEEN THE MOVIE. IT’S A REVENGE MOVIE WITH ABSOLUTELY NO SURPRISES IN FACT A LITTLE BACKGROUND WILL HELP YOU, AND I DON’T GIVE THE ENDING. PLUS I’M ASKING TECNICAL AND CHARACTER QUESTIONS THAT IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW BEFORE HAND. I THINK, ONE NEEDS TO PROBABLY READ THE BOOK OR SOME BACKGROUND FIRST, AS THE MOVIE CLEARLY LEAVES ALOT OUT. EG I’M TOLD HE DIDN’T HAVE A INDIAN CHILD. AND INFACT THE INDIANS HELPED HIM SURVIVE HIS ORDEAL.
I DISLIKE MOVIES THAT HAVE THE SAME MESSAGE ABOUT HOW “WE” AS IN YOU AND ME STOLE LAND FROM THE INDIANS ARE WERE MEAN TO THEM. ANYONE WHO READS EVEN THE SIMPLEST THING ABOUT AMERICAN INDIANS WILL COME TO FIND OUT SOON THAT THEY WERE EXTREMELY TERRIBLE TO ONE ANOTHER, AND IF THEY CAPTURED A WHITE PERSON WOULD SELL THEM AS A SLAVE TO ONE TRIBE TO THE OTHER, ALONG WITH CONTINUALLY KILLING EACH OTHER.
Also, you buy the $20 popcorn for the whole year? But you haven’t been to the movies in a long time? I BOUGHT A TUB. I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE THEATER, SO YOU CAN GET REFILLS WITHOUT SEEING A SHOW. LONG TIME FOR ME IS LIKE 3 MONTHS.
What does packing heat in a theater have to do with the movie? IT’S A PHENOMENON. YOU’D GO INTO A THEATER AND PEOPLE ARE SITTING UPFRONT, MIDDLE RARELY THE TOP, NOW DAYS IT’S LIKE “EVERYONE IS SITTING IN THE TOP HALF” AND I’M SURE 2/3RDS ARE ARMED, AT LEAST AROUND HERE.
Yes. Was one of the best part of the movie.
Hey, BTW, what did you think of Trump coming to Burlington? I mean whatever you may think about the guy, what a gutsy thing to do.
I've read most of his works and many several times. One caveat is that he does embellish the research and readily admits to it at the beginning of each novel. Not a problem for me but for someone looking for an exact recollection of the times, they would be better off going to the referenced sources themselves.
As far as films go, I highly recommend Black Robe. Early North American history, beautiful and violent. Not for everyone and definitely not PC. Careful not to let the young'uns watch. There are things here that will cause nightmares.
Although modern Hollywood has made great leaps and bounds in presenting accuracy in visually recreating time-periods in terms of mise-en-scene, my problem is that they’ve gone further and further astray in reflecting the culture and attitudes of the times. They’ve a tendency to make ‘period’ pieces (even well into the 20th Century) seem so strangely stark and aloof. Omitting so often the importance of community, family, and the element of romanticism in their worldview. There’s almost always a weirdly unnatural dourness, which filmmakers seem inclined to impart on anything that takes place pre-1950s.
Just another Hollywood roller-coaster.
True, plug in the equation. I don’t see this making much money.
I was just being picky...cuz SOMEONE was going to point it out, maybe even beat you up a bit. :)
This has turned into quite a thread!
That is what I’ve noticed. They are 2010 people from New York City, wearing the clothes of the time and using the equipment of the time, but thinking and responding like 2010 city people.
I notice this most with respect to things like courage and religion. Army officers of the 1700s & 1800s put a high emphasis on being courageous and much less on trying to save as many lives as possible (including their own). For example, when someone speculates on why Custer didn’t wait for reinforcements, they betray a worldview set in post-Vietnam. No one wanted to be annihilated, but they would accept much greater risks than modern men would consider.
Religion is another area. People in the 1800s included some very rough and dangerous men, but even many of them had some concept of a Creator who might call them to account. It wasn’t that they were religious, but they didn’t tend to openly mock God. It is most conspicuous now by its absence. People who would not have considered doing something without a prayer now (in the movies) don’t know prayer exists. When they face hardship or the loss of a loved one, it is all about THEM and no reference is made to God or faith.
The movies now get the costumes right, or the sets right, but get the souls of the people wrong.
I should add that comic book heroes now infest all the movies. I notice it most when a 115 lb heroine drops a 250 guy with a single punch. But the chase scenes have become CGI-spectaculars, with no understanding of basic physics. A guy will fall off a 50’ cliff, stand up, shake himself, and move on. That is OK if the character is Superman, but unacceptable if it is supposed to be a real person!
The underground chase scene in the first Hobbit movie has become a typical Hollywood throw-in, and it looks even worse when humans are used than mythical dwarves...
Yes, but I’m embarrassed. I like the posts to be fairly coherent. I asked them twice to change it.
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