Posted on 02/15/2016 5:36:10 PM PST by jessduntno
Given their small numbers, occasional libertarian pandering to the “inside job†morons yields no theoretical benefit greater than a few additional comments on a YouTube video.
Worse, they’ve actually made intelligent discussion more difficult. Questions about the government’s lack of readiness for 9/11, for example, now carry the unmistakable whiff of fringe kookiness.
So do demands for basic government transparency, like calling for more of the 9/11 Commission report to be declassified. Mention this idea and some people will move away before you start ranting about the moon landing being fake.
That’s too bad, because some accountability has been lost in the inside job nonsense. Before we gave the federal government new powers in the aftermath of the attacks, it would have been helpful to know how many of their existing powers weren’t used properly.
We do know a bit about dots that weren’t connected, threats that might not have been taken seriously enough, visa applications that should have been rejected. But undoubtedly there is more.
Far from exposing the truth, the 9/11 truthers’ nuttiness has made political and bureaucratic ass-covering easier. By making the issue government malevolence, they distracted from an important discussion of government competence.
About building 7
When a bat hits a ball it is called impulse, no high rise building is designed to take an impulse like a jumbo jet flying smack dab into it. If you look at the photos of the building being hit by the jet you can actually see the building bend at the impact.
The impact damaged some of the major load bearing members, and the fire did the rest. Jet fuel is not gasoline at the pump. Standard jet fuel has an octane rating of 100, and can burn at up to 1500 degrees Fahrenheit. Steel loses about 50% of its strength at just 550 degrees Fahrenheit.
The combination of the impulse, and the fire caused a load failure and the floors began to pancake.
Building 7, being much smaller and more frail, was more sensitive to the above. It also had no central steel core and not constructed as a high rise would be for such tremendous impact. The shock and the destruction caused the damage. You need not be hit by the cannonball to be blown to smithreens. Close counts in handgrenades.
In your experience, when explosions like this have occurred, have other buildings fallen?
Here is a comprehensive explanation by people I think would have a definitive answer:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/design/a3524/4278874/
GAITHERSBURG, Maryland — The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has released its long-awaited report on the collapse of World Trade 7 following the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. “Our take-home message today is that the reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery,” NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder told journalists at this morning’s press conference in Gaithersburg, Md. “WTC 7 collapsed because of fires fueled by office furnishings. It did not collapse from explosives or from diesel fuel fires.”
Conspiracy theorists have long pointed to the collapse of the 47-story structure as key evidence that the U.S. government orchestrated or abetted the 9/11 attacks. No planes struck the building, and the commonly available views of the exterior didn’t show significant damage. Yet, at 5:20 pm, 7 hours after the collapse of the Twin Towers (WTC 1 and 2), WTC 7 rapidly fell in on itself. Since WTC 7 housed Secret Service and CIA offices, conspiracy theorists claimed that the building was destroyed in a controlled demolition in order to obliterate evidence of the U.S. government’s complicity in the terrorist attacks. “It is impossible for a building to fall the way it fell without explosives being involved,” stated actress and TV personality Rosie O’Donnell of ABC’s The View in March 2007. “For the first time in history, steel was melted by fire. It is physically impossible,” she said.
Today’s report confirms that a fire was, indeed, the cause. “This is the first time that we are aware of, that a building taller than about 15 stories has collapsed primarily due to fires,” Sunder told reporters at the press conference. “What we found was that uncontrolled building fires—similar to fires experienced in other tall buildings—caused an extraordinary event, the collapse of WTC7.” The unprecedented nature of the event means that understanding the precise mechanism of the collapse is important not just to answer conspiracy theorists’ questions, but to improve safety standards in the engineering of large buildings.
The final report describes how debris from the collapse of WTC 1 ignited fires on at least 10 floors of WTC 7 at the western half of the south face. Fires on Floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 burned out of control, because the water supply to the automatic sprinkler system had failed. The primary and backup water supply to the sprinkler systems for the lower floors relied on the city’s water supply. Those water lines were damaged by the collapse of WTC 1 and 2. These uncontrolled fires in WTC 7 eventually spread to the northeast part of the building, where the collapse began.
Google ted gunderson + 911 then google ted gunderson poisoned
There are many legitimate questions that have gone unanswered about what happened on 9-11-2001, just like 11-22-1963. Those of us who want nothing less than the truth won't go away. There are many of us.
Despite the best efforts of those who doctored the Zapruder film to fool folks in 1963, the technology of 2016 has caught up to their lies. We KNOW that frames were removed and that touch-ups were done to represent the official story that all shots came from the rear. Your government did this, Oswald was dead. So too shall the truth one day prevail about what really happened on 9-11. The whole truth, not just a government approved doctored version.
“Since the collapse of building seven is the ONLY time it has ever happened due to a fire for a building of it’s height, my alarm bells are ringing. That you willingly accept the government’s excuses is your business.”
Ummmmmm...popular science and a few hundred engineers. I suppose they could all be in on it though...good grief. How many people can keep a secret?
It’s hard to keep a secret when facts present the obvious. Radiation deaths among first responder personnel far exceed the norm. This is a tell-tale sign that something else was going on other than the “norm” as it pertains to jet fuel and building fires. Where did this radiation come from?
“Where did this radiation come from?”
Haven’t you looked it up yet? It’s all pretty well explained by several factors, but judging by your last response, you don’t care. Find someone else to bounce your quackery off, will ya? If it’s hard to keep a secret, why hasn’t someone come forward and explained what must have been a MASSIVE undertaking to cover up.
It was Jeb that brought his brother up first when he implied that he would keep the country safe, just like W did. Trump called him on it.
And the dumbest people of all are those who rabidly cling to the idea that conspiracies don’t happen. History is replete with the conspiracies of those who have usurped power often by murder or other means. Believing that intelligent but evil people who know few moral bounds won’t do whatever it takes to become powerful is just plain ridiculous. It allows those who believe such naivety to become blind sitting ducks. I often wonder if those who are so dead set against considering or investigating possible conspiracy are those who are really dumbing down the masses so as to help take them over. They mock anyone who will honestly investigate suspicious situation marginalizing them. Pretty soon none will dare speak up or risk being considered totally mindless and gullible. It is the people who refuse to consider any kind of conspiracy that are the ones who are easily taken.
I don’t prescribe to all conspiracy beliefs. I know that some will see conspiracies behind every rock. That doesn’t mean that an intelligent search for facts shouldn’t take place by those who care about truth and recognize the fact that there are factions, in fact very large factions of people who work diabolically towards their goals of taking over the population by whatever means they possibly can think of, good or evil. They can prosper when people are blind to them and refuse to recognize their existence. In the fertile ground of denial their ranks grow and they take great pleasure in our stupidity.
“And the dumbest people of all are those who rabidly cling to the idea that conspiracies don’t happen. History is replete with the conspiracies of those who have usurped power often by murder or other means.”
Which ones? That included hundreds and probably thousands of conspirators? Which ones. Last century or anytime since the natives stopped being fearful of the solar eclipses.
Ask the families of those first responders if they are “quacks”. They have a legitimate beef and all they’ve gotten from their government is the run around. Like I posted earlier, believe your government if you like. Just remember that doing so is strictly YOUR choice. Don’t expect others to have the same faith in whether or not it is being honest.
Which conspiracies is history full of??? That included hundreds and probably thousands of conspirators? Which ones. Last century or anytime since the natives stopped being fearful of the solar eclipses.
You must have missed that.
Box-shaped structures are also inherently weaker structures than things like domes. Forces tend to concentrate at load points rather than being distributed through the overall structure, sometimes even balancing themselves, like trying to crush an eggshell with uniform pressure. Weaken the structure at those load points and overall collapse can follow fairly quickly.
“Box-shaped structures are also inherently weaker structures than things like domes. Forces tend to concentrate at load points rather than being distributed through the overall structure, sometimes even balancing themselves, like trying to crush an eggshell with uniform pressure. Weaken the structure at those load points and overall collapse can follow fairly quickly.”
Plus, who knows what might have been stored in all of those buildings and what materials were used. Medical offices, labs, the malls with shops...what a stew of germs and chems, Hazmat central. The truther nuts are always saying “how come everyone got sick?” disregarding the HUNDREDS of pictures literally coated in who knows what for hours. A lot of the clean up guys refused to wear masks, too. The chiefs were constantly telling them to put masks on. They were hot and cut down on vision. Seemed like a good idea at the time.
“Which conspiracies is history full of??? That included hundreds and probably thousands of conspirators? Which ones. Last century or anytime since the natives stopped being fearful of the solar eclipses.”
I was referring to you nuts not the first responders. Slandering me is a good ploy, though. Got nothing on my question, huh?
A typical building fire will have temperatures in excess of 500 degrees and can get as high as 1800 degrees. You are telling me that Building Seven did not meet the required design capabilities to meet the approval of the building code of New York City and that it was allowed to be constructed in a manner that would not survive a typical skyscraper-type fire. I say this is total bullshit.
If you are comfortable in thinking that everything is just as your government wants you to think, why are you upset that others are not as easily fooled? Your name-calling doesn’t answer a single question and won’t make believers out of those who disagree with your view.
Jeez, still waiting on your answer to how many conspiracies involving hundreds and probably many more can you name? You say history id full of them. Just one?
If this all is connected in any way, it paints a very scary picture of a possible event occurring before the next election. I see them setting up a patsy with the importation of the Muslim refugees. There has been a pattern.
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