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FRANKLIN GRAHAM TO POPE:
World Net Daliy ^ | 2-18-2016 | Franklin Graham

Posted on 02/20/2016 7:14:39 AM PST by scooby321

FRANKLIN GRAHAM TO POPE: BUILD BRIDGE TO TRUMP

Graham, writing on his Facebook page, said: “My advice to the pontiff – reach out and build a bridge to Donald Trump. Who knows where he may be this time next year!

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To: Moorings

Today is my birthday so yes. I’m watching the ocean now just a glorious day in massachusetts. There has been no real winter this year. Big waves today...yuge!


21 posted on 02/20/2016 10:18:45 AM PST by Boardwalk
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To: Boardwalk

54 degrees! Burning down the house!


22 posted on 02/20/2016 10:22:02 AM PST by Boardwalk
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To: Boardwalk

Well, happy birthday to you.


23 posted on 02/20/2016 10:32:42 AM PST by Moorings
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To: Neoliberalnot

lol


24 posted on 02/20/2016 10:40:24 AM PST by PeterMe93
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To: HLPhat

“God”? No one forgives God. God is always right.


25 posted on 02/20/2016 11:49:29 AM PST by RightLady (It's gotta be Cruz)
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To: scooby321

I would be more comfortable with Franklin Graham as Pope than with Jorge Mario Bergoglio.


26 posted on 02/20/2016 12:39:09 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: HLPhat

>>What does this mean?

It means he’s Presbyterian.


27 posted on 02/20/2016 12:50:03 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92

>>It means he's Presbyterian.

FAIL.

Presbyterian doctrine recognizes the need for repentance.

"They repent of their sins (both at their conversion and thereafter), produce good works as the fruit of their faith, and persevere to the end in communion with Christ, with assurance of their salvation."
http://www.opc.org/beliefs.html

2 Peter 3:9
9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
NIV

 

What does repentance mean?


28 posted on 02/20/2016 2:17:52 PM PST by HLPhat (Preventing Global Cooling one tank full at a time!)
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To: HLPhat

>>What does repentance mean?

Not the same as “asking for forgiveness”. We believe that the Sovereign God chose to forgive us for all past, present, and future sins before we were even born and that Jesus washed us clean on the cross 2000 years ago. We believe that god has not only forgiven, but forgotten our sins as if they never happened.

So, we repent (go and sin no more), but we don’t have to ask for forgiveness from our Father because we have been chosen to be his children.


29 posted on 02/20/2016 2:23:57 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92
Not the same as “asking for forgiveness”. We believe that the Sovereign God chose to forgive us for all past, present, and future sins before we were even born and that Jesus washed us clean on the cross 2000 years ago. 

 

Jesus' own words contradict that:

Luke 17:1-4

17 Jesus said to his disciples: "Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come. 2 It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin. 3 So watch yourselves.

"If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him. 4 If he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times comes back to you and says, 'I repent,' forgive him."
NIV

Forgiveness is conditional upon repentance.  

Bad news for the folks who've been deceived into perverting forgiveness of sin into permission to sin.

30 posted on 02/20/2016 2:31:43 PM PST by HLPhat (Preventing Global Cooling one tank full at a time!)
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To: HLPhat

>>Jesus’ own words contradict that:

No, they don’t. That’s the danger of being a proof text Christian. You search the bible for that one verse that proves that you are right, ignoring everything else.

Presbyterians practice a systematic theology, which is an understanding of the full scripture. We don’t throw proof texts around and engage in proof text battles to prove our points.

If you were required to beg forgiveness for your sins, you would fail. You would always miss one or have that one that you do not consider a sin even though God does. And if he gave you a pass on the ones you missed, then he is not just. How many would you have to miss for him to say, “Nope. That was one too many.”

The emptiness of the proof text Christianity can be found in your understanding of grace, forgiveness, and salvation as you keep thinking that you need to do something to make it all happen. It is so ludicrous that the creator of the universe needs you to utter a phrase to unlock his grace. It’s actually insulting and borders on blasphemy.

If I gave you a giant mansion as a gift and said, “Take this. It is yours.” would you respond with “What do I owe you?”

I answer, “Nothing. It is my gift to you. I built this for you.”

But you insist, “No. I must pay you something. What is it worth?”

I say, “3.5 million dollars.”

You respond, “Oh. I can’t afford that. But, I can give you $100.”

If I take the $100, you can claim that you paid for the house and the generosity of my gift is ruined.

Your pitiful begging for forgiveness for sins already forgiven AND FORGOTTEN are an insult to he who forgave you already.


31 posted on 02/20/2016 3:02:26 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Boardwalk

Trump has the Pope walking it back!

This says a lot about the power of Trump.


32 posted on 02/20/2016 3:12:33 PM PST by kempster
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To: Bryanw92

>>No, they don’t.

Yes, they do.

Forgiveness is not permission to live in unrepentant sin.

That’s what differentiates forgiveness of sin from the permission to sin coveted by the homosexual community who pretend they have nothing to repent of because they’re “forgiven”.


33 posted on 02/20/2016 8:09:50 PM PST by HLPhat (Preventing Global Cooling one tank full at a time!)
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To: Bryanw92
Luke 15:7
7 I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.
NIV
 

Why does the sinner need to repent if he's already got a get out of sin free card?

34 posted on 02/20/2016 8:21:09 PM PST by HLPhat (Preventing Global Cooling one tank full at a time!)
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To: HLPhat

>>Forgiveness is not permission to live in unrepentant sin.

I never said it was. We have forgiveness as a gift. It is our job to not squander it. The Holy Spirit, our Great Counselor, tells us when we sin and we must repent for that, but not to earn or re-earn salvation. We will never be worthy of the gift we have been given, but we still need to act as if we are a worthy child of the King.


35 posted on 02/21/2016 5:59:27 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: HLPhat

>>Why does the sinner need to repent if he’s already got a get out of sin free card?

I never said it was. We have forgiveness as a gift. It is our job to not squander it. The Holy Spirit, our Great Counselor, tells us when we sin and we must repent for that, but not to earn or re-earn salvation. We will never be worthy of the gift we have been given, but we still need to act as if we are a worthy child of the King.

Repenting is not the same as asking for forgiveness. The reporter asked Trump the wrong question. Baptists and Arminians and all the other ChurchAmericanity denominations often confuse the two because they only search for proof that they are right. A smart and honest Christian searches scripture to prove that he is wrong.


36 posted on 02/21/2016 6:02:09 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92

>>Repenting is not the same as asking for forgiveness

What happens to forgiveness for those who refuse to repent?


37 posted on 02/22/2016 5:05:07 AM PST by HLPhat (Preventing Global Cooling one tank full at a time!)
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To: Bryanw92

Did Trump ever ask Wife #1 to forgive him after he raped her?

http://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Ivana+trump+rape

http://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=%22I+get+more+pussy%22+Trump


38 posted on 02/22/2016 5:07:58 AM PST by HLPhat (Preventing Global Cooling one tank full at a time!)
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To: HLPhat

>>What happens to forgiveness for those who refuse to repent?

They never had forgiveness.


39 posted on 02/22/2016 6:15:07 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92

>>>>>>What happens to forgiveness for those who refuse to repent?

>>>They never had forgiveness.

“Forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who sin against us”

Donald Trump’s own words and historical behavior lead me to question whether he believes what Jesus meant there.

Furthermore, his history would likely preclude him from serving as an elder in many Christian denominations - let alone assume a position of leadership in the role of synodical president.

Character DOES matter.

[Memo on Bill Clinton’s Character and how is being President a reflection on the American people.]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3399749/posts


40 posted on 02/22/2016 6:56:38 AM PST by HLPhat (Preventing Global Cooling one tank full at a time!)
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