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History Doesn't Repeat... But it Can Rhyme
Vanity ^ | 4/21/2016 | pgyanke

Posted on 04/21/2016 7:30:47 AM PDT by pgyanke

I’m going to take a moment to remind everyone of the recall election of Gov Gray Davis in CA...

There was a principled conservative ready to take the reins of government with a statewide base of support. His name was Tom McLintock. The GOPe said that he couldn’t win statewide and Dem Lt Gov Bustamante would win if Tom was the candidate. They recruited Arnold SchwarzenKennedy for his star power. The actual election returns had Bustamante come in third behind Arnold and Tom. The principled conservative would have won... but he was undermined by the bright, shiny thing dangled by the GOPe. We know how that turned out.

Now we have Trump. Conservatives were excited about Cruz until Trump came along and said the things they wanted to hear. No one would listen to naysayers and they allowed the principled conservative to be slimed beyond reason for simply running a campaign to win according to the rules. Now that Trump seems inevitable, he is moving to the “middle” RINO position (Trump: Transgenders Should 'Use the Bathroom That They Feel Is Appropriate'). Every other time he's done this (this isn't the first), he gets away with it for his candor. Let’s see if there will be buyer’s remorse before it’s too late.

We’re about to have a presidential election where your choices are two New Yorkers. Like New York values? You’re going to get them one way or another.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: cruz
Here we go again...
1 posted on 04/21/2016 7:30:47 AM PDT by pgyanke
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To: pgyanke

There was no way McClintock would have won that election.

And there is just no way Cruz could win this one.


2 posted on 04/21/2016 7:37:18 AM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: pgyanke

What I think is missing in this argument is, over the past 30+ years all of those true “Conservative” professional politicians haven’t done squat toward restoring Constitutional Government. Just a bigger and more powerful federal government. As Einstein (I think) said, “doing the same thing over and over, while expecting a different result is a good definition of insanity.”

The Trump voters appear to be saying, Enough of this insanity.
Hell, even the most ardent Cruz fan has to admit, Trump ain’t no professional politician.
But Cruz, Kasich, Sanders and Hillary are.


3 posted on 04/21/2016 7:40:28 AM PDT by Tupelo (we vote - THEY decide.)
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To: Eccl 10:2
I watched it very closely at the time and as it unfolded. There was no way that Davis wasn't going to be recalled (question 1) and Arnold's supporters were ⅔ McLintock's supporters. Tom could have won... if his votes weren't taken by the GOPe RINO candidate who, by the way, destroyed the GOP in the state as a result.
4 posted on 04/21/2016 7:44:53 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

John and Ken were on fire back then


5 posted on 04/21/2016 7:45:46 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom yes I know)
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To: Tupelo

Where have we been “allowed” conservative governance? Nearly everywhere we’ve tried, we’ve been stymied by the party... which hates conservatives more than Dems, I might remind you.

Where you have the ability for one man to make a difference (such as Wisconsin), conservatives have done a great deal to change things for the better. Where you’ve had the party apparatchik with their boot on conservative members’ throats (Congress)... not so much.


6 posted on 04/21/2016 7:48:01 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

So you’re arguing that we should trust the same GOPe in California that supported Arnold over Tom? The same guys that wanted Arnold now want Cruz. That ought to tell you something.


7 posted on 04/21/2016 8:48:42 AM PDT by The Continental Op
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To: Tupelo

Well, you first have to look at the examples.

Detroit, this what you get when you leave liberals in charge.

Congress, what you get when you leave the establishment in charge.

Texas, what you get when you have conservatives in charge.

We send conservatives into the congress piecemeal so that they get chewed up and spit out attempting to storm the gates of power. We send them alone, without ground support, with out air support, without any kind of assistance at all. Then it is their fault when nothing changes.

Rand Paul was sent to the senate in 2010, That year we also sent Mike Lee, and Marco Rubio. One who shall remain nameless turned on conservatism. We ran rino’s, did not stand with conservative’s. In the 33 senate races that year we sent two useful people to the senate.

In 2012 we again ran candidates who were rino’s, we actively stood against conservative candidates, The only bright spot was Ted Cruz. Out of the 33 senate races the only conservative that was sent was Ted Cruz

In 2014, those senate elections we reelected Sen McConnell, we elected Ernst, Cotton, and Sasse who are the only new members that have any sort of understanding of conservatism.

In those three election cycles we have voted on the entire US Senate, and in those cycles we have sent a total of Six senators who were brand new to DC, who have held conservative values.

Balancing that we have reelected or elected, McConnell, Graham, McCain, McCaskill, Hatch, Murkowski, Boxer, Reid, Toomey, and many others who play ball. I have listed nine specific senators.

When conservatives get sent to Washington they do not get anything done, not because conservatism doesn’t work, nor because these guys are ineffectual. Nothing gets done, because we send these guys into a buzz saw year after year, and any that make it through we never help them at the ballot box. I agree doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result is insanity. Which is why I think most of our electorate is insane. They keep sending people like McCain and Reid back to the senate.

To use a sports analogy, we the electorate are the Browns front office and coaching staff. The Conservatives are the Quarterbacks, we draft them hoping to save our country. But rather than drafting the team around them to help them win, or letting them learn the system and the flow of the game, we instead wait until we are down by 30 with five minutes left give them the reins and say save us. It is not fair to Browns QB’s and it is not fair to conservatives and in this instance we GM and coaches bear the responsibility not the players.


8 posted on 04/21/2016 8:51:03 AM PDT by PA-LU Student (Ted Cruz. The one man the Republican Field is afraid to debate one on one!)
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To: pgyanke
If you are implying that there is someone like McClintock running for President in the Republican Party in 2016, I think you are mistaken. Although I liked Tom, he would not have drawn enough outsiders to the Republican vote to get elected.

My main interests in the recall election were strictly personal:

  1. Depose, by any means necessary, the corrupt Davis for his BS spanish-language media only news conference and assorted crimes against the People of the State of California
  2. Avoid a %300 increase in registration fees for my pick-up truck- an amount in excess of US $500 for 1 year.


9 posted on 04/21/2016 9:15:56 AM PDT by D_Idaho ("For we wrestle not against flesh and blood...")
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To: PA-LU Student

Excellent post and analogies there.


10 posted on 04/21/2016 1:42:07 PM PDT by Kommodor (Terrorist, Journalist or Democrat? I can't tell the difference.)
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To: The Continental Op
The same guys that wanted Arnold now want Cruz. That ought to tell you something.

There you go!

11 posted on 04/21/2016 1:49:29 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (The GOPe deserve nothing more than a middle finger)
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To: pgyanke

1980 all over again.


12 posted on 04/24/2016 10:54:24 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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