Hawaii Official Who Died After Crash Wore Infant Life Vest

AssociatedPress ^ | May 5, 2016, 8:31 PM ET | Jennifer Sinco Kelleher

[LucyT]

Hawaii's former health director who died after a plane she was traveling in crashed into the ocean was wearing an infant life vest and the pilot didn't give a safety briefing before takeoff, according to details in a National Transportation Safety Board report.

An autopsy determined Loretta Fuddy died of an irregular heartbeat from hyperventilating after she exited the plane, which landed in choppy water off the island of Molokai. The pilot and seven other passengers on the 2013 Makani Kai Air flight survived.

Pilot Clyde Kawasaki reported to the NTSB that he heard a loud bang, followed by an immediate loss of engine power soon after the single-engine Cessna took off from Molokai, headed for Honolulu.

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[butterdezillion]

And if he was jostled to the right, it moved his butt and everything because he’s sitting straight upright on the RIGHT side of the headrest.

[WildHighlander57]

Butterdezillion

From #180

“How did he lose his ponytail in the black-arrow image?”

And from #181

“And if he was jostled to the right, it moved his butt and everything because he’s sitting straight upright on the RIGHT side of the headrest.”

Good questions.

Butterdezillion, rx

———Need a link to the high-resolution videos.——

This will provide context & sequence of events that the framegrabs wouldn’t.

[WildHighlander57]

If 0 didnt get his fake birth cert till after abercrombie said there wasnt one/palafox left & fuddy came in,

What would 0 have used instead of a birth cert, for proof of age for school, driving, first job, and travel/passport?

From your post:

“...And if a fake had been put in for Obama back in 1961 there would be no reason for the forged BC today. And Neil Abercrombie would not have told Mike Evans there is no BC for Obama. And Neal Palafox wouldn’t have had to be canned as HDOH Director and replaced with Fuddy, who illegally disallowed original BC’s from being seen - on a document with a creation date of the same day as Obama’s forged BC was disclosed. ...”

[butterdezillion]

His Kenyan one.

There’s a reason his passport file had to be “fixed”.

[WildHighlander57]

OK many thanks!

See your freepmail...

[butterdezillion]

So I’m actually at home for a few hours today, and I came across a discussion at https://www.amazon.com/Butterdezillion-right-about-fake-Sunahara/forum/Fx3O0GUS5OOQ7GV/Tx1HCU4BF93OHPX/2/ref=cm_cd_pg_pg2?_encoding=UTF8&asin=1936488299 regarding the blatant red flag on Sunahara’s death certificate. It’s a State of Hawaii death certificate but where it should say “File No” it has T.H. inserted - out of line with the other lines to boot. That T.H. is the only reference to TErritory of Hawaii.

Somebody is claiming that during the Territory of Hawaii days they just happened to have too many “State of Hawaii” forms printed up so when they became a state they just kept using the “State of Hawaii” forms but added the T.H. just in front of the file number.

Unbelievable!

And there’s a Jack H. Osborne whose comments don’t show up because “Customers don’t think this post adds to the discussion”. If you click to see the post anyway you find that he points out the obvious every time - including the fact that these forms are STATE OF HAWAII forms so they can’t just be leftovers from Territory of Hawaii days.

It seems that Amazon hides comments as long as one more person says it doesn’t contribute to the discussion than says it does. And these idiots work together to down-vote any comments that show their arguments are wrong. They know they are dead wrong because they know to hide the obvious comments that show they are wrong.

You have to wonder when people who know they are wrong still try to silence those they know are making sense. Usually by distracting from the actual content of what makes sense and making the discussion about ad hominems regarding the sanity or intelligence of the one making factual comments. When you see people do that, it is an admission that they know they are wrong and have to lead people away from the truth.

Keeping me busy with a job and tending a husband who functions like a child is a great way to keep me from catching stupid crap like this so they can get away with it. It is an admission that they are afraid that I would have time to catch the lies and point them out. The people who are trying to silence me know they are wrong.

[rx]

The seat's cutting off JK's hat caused my symmetrically filling in of the hat material otherwise occulted. For reasons of hat shape, absence of "no one" leaning either right or left, no ponytail on the blue helmeted hair, bodies filling out past both armrests simultaneously, I'd have to say what you're grasping at are straws, and just why would you do that?

You really think that's Jake's hand when his right forearm is at the bottom of the image? You can't be serious! You're 'meticulous,' you wrote! Jake is to the left of the photo and Rosa is at the top of the picture with no one else within range. The physics of Rosa's body don't allow it to be her hand. With Ferd's strange downward pointing of his lenses, the conclusion must be it's the dangling right hand of the mannequin that Jake is holding aloft. It's nicely manicured, too!

[Fred Nerks]

Now this is confusing, you wrote:

“No matter how you slice it, whoever forged Virginia’s death certificate put deliberate red flags in it, under duress.”

I am not aware there is any dispute about the birth and death of that baby. She was born at Wahiawa Hospital, had breathing difficulties, was transferred to Kapiolani, she died the following day, her name was entered as that of her father, her death notice in her father’s name appeared August 8, and the name on her death notice was amended to Virginia (so she could be buried under her own name, I believe) on August 29.
The number on her COLB corresponds with the date August 29 given the average number of births in Hawaii per month/annum at the time. The number is thus 400+ digits out of sequence with her birth.
So one assumes her birth wasn’t recorded until the same date as her Death Certificate was amended.

Amended. Not forged.

[rx]

My heart's aflutter, Fred Nerks!

If I read your post correctly, you seem to be suggesting that perhaps even days after someone's heart stoppage, that person's cause of death (COD) could still be variable--singular facts be damned--as a function of how plausibile that COD would be in convincing people?   Who knew?   I'm shocked!

If I understand it, after Fuddy had died she had to be cut from an infant life jacket, though immediately out of the airplane she was seen to be wearing an adult life jacket? Someone must been quite forceful in getting the infant life jacket on her if she could only be cut out of it, eh?

Yet, somehow, no police, sheriff, NTSB, or FBI concerned themselves with even a lick of investigation about the death, and, for example how she started out floating with one life jacket yet died wearing another. Isn't investigating that a bit more apropos and more of a concern than whether a drowning COD while wearing a PFD is going to convince a critical mass of the interest public of its plausibility? Did the Maui Police run out of STATE, OUTSIDE ASSISTANCE BUDGET allotment by sundown of that 12/11/13?

But we don't know the stern stuff of that Maui County Medical Examiner (ME), do we? Just because Sharon Malone (Eric Holder's wife) and Michelle Obama are on Maui and Michelle will extend her stay, ultimately not announcing her departure until the very the day the ME's report is delivered, you wouldn't be at all tempted to connect the two, would you? Eh, just coincidence, like Josh Lang, helicoptering pilot, co-worker of the Caravan pilot and owner, being the first at the crash scene within just a few minutes!

So Yamamoto was holding her hand until a time that he noticed she was no longer breathing, eh? Then, surrounded by seven other plane occupants within 15 yards of him, he doesn't bother to call for aid, he just lets her drift away. I think I have that right, don't I?

How many things are wrong with that scenario? And given how many of those wrong things there are, why should we believe her death is just exactly what those plane occupants said about it?

It may well not be what she found out.   It's not as if she was an outsider to the HDOH goings on.   It was her seal with a her signature on a document, making it ipso facto invalid.

Me? I know she didn't die.

[rx]

"You really think that's Jake's hand... should be

"You really think that's Puentes' hand..."

...as for what you had typed for the GREEN arrow.

My point remains the same with that typo corrected. Sorry for that typo!

[Fred Nerks]

I think I must have missed the sarcasm tag on my comment.

[Fred Nerks]

...She got out of the aircraft, was seen alive and not in any distress, and then suddenly she’s dead, from three different causes. She just drifted away with the tide... All that fancy legal language aside. And how darn convenient. Just what did Fuddy find out? /sarc

[WildHighlander57]

I don’t have the high res videos, having them would help put events in order and show the context; not having them makes it hard to tell what’s going on and thus the questions.

What is shown in a few of your previous posts is a collage of individual framegrabs; each needs to be a separate picture/still in order to understand what went on in that plane cabin.

You have split them up now, like the post to which I am replying, which makes it easier.

In the second pic of your post, below the ball cap one:

What I had thought was Puentes’ hand, the videographer’s hand, isnt his hand, you are correct that his right arm is at the bottom of the picture.

Blue jean leg is Puentes’ right leg, and his right arm is at the bottom of the pic .

Puentes had a yellow long sleeve shirt on, and Mr. Key had a white/beige patterned short sleeve shirt on.

Foot in sandal is Mrs key’s foot.

The blond hair and blue ball cap being that of a manniquin between mr keys and the window is then an interesting discovery...

I would still like to see the high res videos.

[WildHighlander57]

OK no problem.

The reason I made the comment about the hand being that of puentes in this post’s collage of pics

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3428362/posts?page=130#130

Is because the superimposed boxes/shapes with the purple and blue arrows obscures puentes’ arm at the bottom of that frame, and the larger context, I.e. Mrs keys leg and the neighboring seat.

The whole frame grab of each individual ‘box/shape’ would help immensely.

[Fred Nerks]

The above graphic has been described as including an image showing Fuddy wearing a fully inflated life vest.

I posted the following graphic which showed the ID's of the various passengers, and made the comment

In the photograph here it's obvious at least four people were not wearing a life jacket.

https://photos-1.dropbox.com/t/2/AABeLhKJdO54aF8M66XR3lm7BSzx_ii5IDuoJWou7VaqLQ/12/23126063/jpeg/32x32/3/1471424400/0/2/fiveofsix.jpg/EJmMoZwEGAcgAigC/DfVOC8d_GHuFhWsUbyJ8vIXs6RRNf-qIrdQ2BqPXW2w?size_mode=3&size=800x600&dl=0

That graphic has been removed. Now showing nothing but a small black circle. I think the graphic made it clear that the woman wearing the fully inflated life vest wasn't Fuddy. How was that image removed so quickly?

I did save a copy:

It looks to me like that is Fuddy and she's facing the aircraft door, last to leave, and Yamamoto is beside her.

[butterdezillion]

It was amended AND forged. It has a Territory of Hawaii (T.H.) file number on a State of Hawaii death certificate. The person who put that document together had to cut and paste the T.H. from somewhere else to get it onto that document as a glaring anomaly. It took deliberate action and shows that the document - straight from the HDOh and certified - has been tampered with.

[butterdezillion]

It looks to me that the infant jacket on Flip Hollstein comes outward about as far as his chin. The adult jackets on both Puentes and Fuddy stick out much farther than that.

[rodguy911]

Good question,hard to say at present.

[rodguy911]

Furthermore the plane was not as 300 ft. when the supposed engine problem happened it was more like 1,100 feet. At the air speed it was at I thin 80 or 90 knots it could easily have made it to runway #5 nearby. But instead the pilot chose to ditch the plane where the story takes a really wild turn.

[rodguy911]

All nine of you calmly make your way out of the aircraft and don your life jackets.

You are floating in approximately 70 degree water.

4 between 100-200 yards (estimates were 300 yards)from shore.(some were able to stand in the water even though the plane crashed in 50 feet of water)

Within minutes, an aircraft circles overhead so you know you’ve been spotted.

5 The weather is clear, winds are 10-15 MPH,(18mph) swells are about six feet(no way—2-3feet at most) and water occasionally splashes your face. For at least 25 minutes, you manage to stay in a group but after the plane starts to sink, you begin to drift apart. Two here, two there.

One man swims ashore.(a former army guy I believe swam to shore in 6 minutes older guy) You can see and hear the rescue helicopters.

Yes it was a terrifying ordeal but you made it out safely, you are floating in a life jacket, holding on to the hand of your friend and co-worker, and help is on the way. Then, inexplicably, with your life jacket still on, you drown. No one else drowns, just you.

Not only do you drown, but no one sees you drown, not even the man who has been holding your hand. And, once you lost consciousness or died, your friend lets go of you and you float away, out into the ocean. How did you drown? Why didn’t anyone see you drowning? And why did your friend let you drift away?(Actually there were frogmen who took her to the closest smoke buoy about a 1/2 mile away)

There is more a lot more.