Posted on 05/23/2016 8:53:04 AM PDT by HarleyLady27
Vietnam was a battle in the larger Cold War, which we inevitably won. The deaths were not in vain.
I get your point.
Socialist regulation has this country in a stranglehold on entrepreneurs, no doubt.
However, there are other considerations that weigh in how “free” a country is, other than economic freedom.
Vietnam’s political and human rights status is awful.
That country has inserted language into the TPP which forbids any expression of government criticism by All TPP signatories.
Catering to capitalist cloaked communist Vietnam’s TPP demands will eventually result in further erosion of our very own political and civil rights.
That onerous provision is one of the reasons why TPP disclosure’s were hidden from the public.
https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2015/vietnam
Freedom in the World
Vietnam
Freedom in the World 2015
2015 Scores
Status
Not Free
Freedom Rating
(1 = best, 7 = worst)
6.0
Civil Liberties
(1 = best, 7 = worst)
5
Political Rights
(1 = best, 7 = worst)
7
Overview:
In 2014, Vietnam continued to suppress freedom of expression online, in print, and through public demonstrations. The state enacted Decree 174 to institute harsh new penalties for certain types of speech in blogs and social media, expanding upon government powers to censor internet and social media usage in place under a previous decree. Several high-profile internet writers and bloggers were arrested, while the trials of other prominent activists proceeded despite international pressure for their release.
Clinton began it already. It was the only good thing he did not under duress from the Republicans who were then an opposition party.
The DiC is a commie. Why be surprised
And yes it angers me
That same list for press freedom shows the UK, USA, and German press as free. All three, including us, are prosecuting and imprisoning journalists. You are free as hell to say what they like, or to be a gadfly. If you are actually causing them discomfort, you will be silenced by arrest, surveillance, and harassment.
Even here, everyone fully assumes that every word we say is collected an analyzed,
You’re on a mission. Give it up.
For nine years running, my husband and I rode our Harleys from Boston to attend Rolling Thunder...from ‘91 to ‘99.
I am so appalled by this treasonous pResident.
Well...I don't think we'll be giving weapons to Vietnam. They will pay. A lot.
I don’t know why, but this whole thing makes me want to laugh.
I think it is the infuriating absurdity of it. Who would have thought, in our lifetimes, we would be having discussions like this?????
That our President would go to Cuba and have the stupidity to stand grinning and holding hands with communists under the visage of a mass murderer, and do the same thing with a communist in Vietnam.
Damn, I know they are old and toothless communists (except for their own citizens they continue to gum to death) but...they are still communists.
And the absurdity is that we are here talking about the finer points of it!
And that’s probably what it’s all about … money.
Sometimes you do things because they are in your interest. Not because you like doing them.
Vietnam is an historic foe of China. That, and access to Cam Ranh Bay, is in our interest.
I dunno, I don’t see much difference between what he did and what Jane Fonda did.
Hanoi Jane and John...two peas in a pod with the Kenyan in the center...
I guess the same argument could have been made against Germany and Japan, but now they are some our stronger allies!
I don’t love it but I do think its a move to counter what China is doing in the Spratley Islands just a hop, skip and jump from Cam Rahn Bay.
“We should have normalized relations with Vietnam 30 years ago, so that we could trade with them and build factories there.”
You understand the only reason to build factories in these places is because they can work their slaves in conditions we would never allow here? That is a big factor in why wages are so low. Is that worth hollowing out our manufacturing? It certainly surrenders any moral high ground.
The Vietnam war was a mistake because the communists there had successfully taken on the role of anti-colonialists. The d***** French, instead of wrapping up their colonies nicely at the end of WWII, tried to keep them and the USA ended up looking like we supported colonizers.
well, the vietnamese have a reason to hate the chinese — the chinese dominated them for two long periods in their history
That wasn’t done for altruistic reasons — the Vietnamese were afraid of encirclement by China (The Cambodians, strangely enough, were and are Chinese allies)
Perhaps, but they stopped the Khmer rouge anyhow when no one else would.
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