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Only 11 percent of Trump backers expect 2016 votes to be counted accurately
Washington Post ^ | Aug. 20, 2016 | Aaron Blake

Posted on 08/20/2016 5:26:20 AM PDT by rickmichaels

Donald Trump says the 2016 election will be "rigged." He has even suggested, despite very little evidence of actual voter fraud in the United States, that it's the only way he might lose a state like Pennsylvania.

We shouldn't be surprised if this message catches on — if there is substantial questioning of an outcome in which he loses, especially in a close race. I laid out my case for why earlier this week.

And now, more polling data suggests this is fertile territory for Trump to plant seeds of doubt in case he loses. Trump backers this year, it turns out, are uniquely skeptical of the vote-counting process.

In new Pew poll, just 11 percent of Trump backers say they are "very" confident that the votes in the 2016 election will be counted accurately. Another 37 percent are "somewhat" confident, and half of the GOP nominee's supporters are either "not too" (31 percent) or "not at all" (19 percent) confident.

In contrast, 49 percent of Clinton supporters are "very" confident, and only 20 percent are either "not too" or "not at all" confident.

What's especially interesting about the Pew numbers is that they indicate the shoe was once on the other foot.

Back in 2004, it was Democratic voters who were more concerned about inaccurate vote counts. When Pew asked how confident they were that their own votes would be accurately counted — a more personal version of the previous question — 48 percent of Democrats said they were "very" confident, while 75 percent of Republicans were.

This was very likely the lingering effects of a contested 2000 presidential election — Florida, "hanging chads" and all that — which wound up going Republicans' way.

But even then, Democratic voters were more confident in the vote-counting process than Republicans are now. Today, even without a similar recent controversy for Republicans to point to, those numbers are 67 percent for Democrats to just 38 percent for Republicans.

So, to reiterate, even after a 2000 election in which many Democrats thought Florida election officials essentially miscounted votes and handed the presidency to George W. Bush, Democratic voters were still more confident about the vote-counting process than Trump voters are today.

Now, this doesn't mean that the vast majority of Trump backers are expecting a totally "rigged" election. It's possible that they think the inaccuracies would be too small to matter — and that the inaccuracies might not be deliberate. Miscounting votes is not the same thing as large-scale voter fraud.

But as I wrote earlier this week, other data does indicate that many Republicans believe there could be rather large-scale voter fraud. A majority of Wisconsin Republicans — 54 percent — said in 2014 that fraud of one type or another moves thousands of votes in the state in every election, despite a lack of evidence to back up that theory.

And with the 2016 GOP nominee pushing that idea hard, it seems quite possible to catch on.


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KEYWORDS: 2016polls; cultureofcorruption; voterfraud
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1 posted on 08/20/2016 5:26:20 AM PDT by rickmichaels
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To: rickmichaels

When Law Enforcement types bust a criminal organization the money seized is not partitioned between the funds from the legit cover enterprises and the proceeds of crime. In fact, I do believe, once tainted funds are commingled with legit they are ALL considered tainted.

In a similar fashion Trump could argue that all the precincts in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, and elsewhere that have 110% turnout have to be “sequestered” and do not count. If Trump can win any of these states by that margin I do believe he should make a legitimate claim to have actually won them.


2 posted on 08/20/2016 5:33:12 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: rickmichaels

We know that increasingly we see precincts with more votes than voters.

We know Democrats refuse to allow voters to show their ID, wherever they can prevent it.

We know that electronic machines are laughably easy to hack, almost like they are designed to be hacked.

So, yes, we are suspicious of the voting process on several levels. We have seen that GOP will not defend even candidates they like against vote fraud, so much less will they defend a candidate they don’t like, like Trump. They will turn a blind eye to vote fraud and tell themselves they are saving the country by joining in what amounts to a coup d’état.


3 posted on 08/20/2016 5:39:25 AM PDT by marron
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To: rickmichaels
"Despite very little evidence of actual voter fraud in the United States.."

Yeah, right..! /s

4 posted on 08/20/2016 5:45:07 AM PDT by unread (Joe McCarthy was right.......)
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To: unread

It’s true. There is very little evidence of actual vote fraud. The democrats who control urban areas refuse to look for evidence of vote fraud, so they never find that evidence.


5 posted on 08/20/2016 5:51:22 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Somebody who agrees with me 80% of the time is a friend and ally, not a 20% traitor. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: All
POINTS TO PONDER

MOTOR VOTER FRAUD: In Washington State to get the vote all you need to do is "complete a transaction" at any office...this means taking a number to ask for a brochure qualifies at any DMV office. Take a number, ask for a brochure......et voila.....you get to vote.

<><> Boobamba is importing Democrats by the truckload.....all from the dirt-poor Third world. Not only are they Hillary voters, but they are being placed where their numbers impact the electoral college.

<><> The DNC computers already know how many votes have to be manufactured on each block if not at each address.(hat tip wastoute) President Hillary is looming. The GOPe won’t even whimper. No wonder she keeps smiling.

Our top priority should be the prevention of massive voter fraud in November. Voter fraud at every level is being launched ---- the smell of Democrat desperation to elect Hillary is everywhere.

<><> Obama and Congressional Democrats----w/ then-AG Eric Holder----gave NeighborWorks America (formerly ACORN), and blood-thirsty La Raza a huge funding source...our tax dollars.

<><> Obama/Holder/Dems extorted banks via DOJ litigation/bank settlements----these nefarious liberal organizations got all the loot.

6 posted on 08/20/2016 5:55:12 AM PDT by Liz (SAFE PLACE? liberal's mind. Nothing's there. Nothing penetrates it.)
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To: rickmichaels

One day elections, no absentee voting, and an index finger dipped in indelible ink after voting would go a long way in restoring confidence in the vote. Today, with crooks like Hillary running for office, all bets are off. Only the Almighty God can intervene in their corruption.


7 posted on 08/20/2016 5:56:11 AM PDT by txrefugee
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.....voter fraud is going to be rampant this year......
Worse than ever....b/c its the ONLY way Hillary can win....

Obama and Congressional Democrats----with a huge assist from then-AG Eric Holder----gaven NeighborWorks America (formerly ACORN) and La Raza a huge funding source of tax dollars (to achieve Obama's dream of a permanent Democrat majority?).

<><> Obama/Holder/Dems extorted banks via DOJ litigation/bank settlements----into paying off these nefarious organizations.

DOJ went after CitiCorp and ordered them to pay $50 million to La Raza and NeighborWorks America as part of the settlement.

Another clause in the agreement makes it possible for La Raza and NeighborWorks America to rake in even larger amounts of money.

Of the remaining money the banks needed to pay in settlements, the banks were able to contribute additional money to La Raza and NeighborWorks America. For every dollar they contribute, it reduces their debt to the government by 2 dollars. That’s some mighty powerful incentive to give generously.

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House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) and House Financial Services Chairman Jeb Hensarling have questioned why this money was sent to the ACORN clone and the blood-thirsty LaRaza----rather than to the alleged victims of the bank’s crime. The administration of course declined to answer.

Here's part of the Congressmen's letter to Holder: “It seems that the alleged victims are not the primary beneficiaries of these multi-billion dollar settlements. Instead, the terms in the Justice Department’s two latest settlements look less like consumer relief and more like a scheme to funnel money to politically favored special interest groups.”

“This makes donations to activist groups far more attractive to banks than providing direct relief to injured consumers. As a result, the settlements appear to serve as a vehicle for funding activist groups rather than as a means of securing relief for consumers actually harmed.”

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So now, with tons of money to fix the presidential election, the largest and most successful voter fraud campaign may alter the course of the elections not to mention the future of the United States.

NO WONDER HILLARY KEEPS SMILING.

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AND THIS---Obama bullied bank to pay racial settlement without proof: report
NY Post ^ | 2/7/2016 | Paul Sperry / FR Posted by DCdude

Newly uncovered internal memos reveal the Obama administration knowingly exaggerated charges of racial discrimination in probes of Ally Bank and other defendants in the $900 billion car-lending business as part of a racial justice campaign that's looking more like a massive government extortion and shakedown operation

Obama's Consumer Financial Protection Bureau has reached more than $220 million in settlements with several auto lenders since the agency launched its anti- discrimination crusade against the industry in 2013. Several other banks are under active investigation. That's despite the fact that the CFPB had no actual complaints of racial discrimination--- it was all just based on half-baked statistics.

A 23-page internal report detailing CFPB's strategy for going after lenders shows why these companies are forking over millions of dollars in restitution and fines to the government despite denying any wrongdoing.

CFPB applied the screws to Ally, saying it had statistical evidence showing its participating dealers were œmarking up loan prices for blacks and Hispanics vs. whites (by an average of $3 a month). Ally fought back, insisting non-discriminatory factors, such as credit history, down payments, trade-ins, promotions and rate- shopping, explained differences in loan pricing. After conducting a preliminary regression analysis, the bank found these factors alone accounted for at least 70 percent of the “racial disparities” the government was claiming.

CFPB admits in the memo that it never considered these or other legitimate business aspects of the car deals it investigated

Also in its initial rebuttal, Ally complained CFPB's entire case was based on disparate impact statistics, not actual complaints by consumers, and that those estimates relied on guesswork about the race of the borrowers. (The auto industry does not report borrower race, so CFPB tried to ID race by last name and ZIP code, so-called proxy method that is wildly inaccurate.)

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...

8 posted on 08/20/2016 6:01:15 AM PDT by Liz (SAFE PLACE? liberal's mind. Nothing's there. Nothing penetrates it.)
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To: rickmichaels

Without voter fraud the RATs couldn’t win any elections.


9 posted on 08/20/2016 6:02:24 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: txrefugee

Paper receipt kicks out after you vote too should be required.


10 posted on 08/20/2016 6:04:16 AM PDT by Engedi
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To: unread

When you’re a propaganda news source like WAPO there’s always “very little evidence” when you never bother to look for any.


11 posted on 08/20/2016 6:06:27 AM PDT by uncitizen (Americanism NOT Globalism! - Trump)
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To: txrefugee

I would add paper ballots only to your #7.


12 posted on 08/20/2016 6:06:52 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Liz
I remember going to the DMV in Washington. Speaking English, we had a tough time establishing my wife's 'residency' because they wouldn't take a house contract, my military reserve paperwork listing her address, or vehicle insurance cards with our new address.

The adjacent line for Spanish speakers was a long line of 'Oregon' residents with two pieces of mail getting Washington licenses with no problems at all.

Don't know if they were registering to vote, but with Washington's mail in ballots for everything fraud is already rampant.

Moved to Virginia and there you have to show proof of citizenship to get through the DMV process. At the polls you have to show ID. Ballots are scanned paper. You put them in the machine yourself and the ballot goes into a box below for canvassing later.

13 posted on 08/20/2016 6:08:40 AM PDT by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit; Tennessee Nana; AuntB; HarleyLady27; V K Lee; Arthur Wildfire! March; JudyinCanada; ...
At a DMV in Washington, speaking English, we had a tough time establishing my wife's 'residency' because they wouldn't take a house contract, my military reserve paperwork listing her address, or vehicle insurance cards with our new address. The adjacent line for Spanish speakers was a long line of 'Oregon' residents; by showing two pieces of mail, getting Washington licenses was no problems. Don't know if latinos were registering to vote, but with Washington's mail-in ballots for everything, fraud is already rampant.

Thanks for the realtime report.

I urge anyone w/ potential voter fraud info (like yours) to share this info.

TRUMP ONLINE http://www.donaldtrump2016online.com/

Contact link over at the right.

14 posted on 08/20/2016 6:31:57 AM PDT by Liz (SAFE PLACE? liberal's mind. Nothing's there. Nothing penetrates it.)
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To: rickmichaels

Very little evidence of voter fraud? All it takes is poll watchers at every heavily minority voting precincts to document the fraud. But those poll watchers risk being attacked so most don’t do it.


15 posted on 08/20/2016 6:33:58 AM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: USNBandit

Thanks for sharing your story.


16 posted on 08/20/2016 6:36:23 AM PDT by Ciexyz (Hillary will govern like Obama surrogate PA Gov.Wolfe, taking PA to the bottom, making life worse.)
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To: wastoute
When Law Enforcement types bust a criminal organization the money seized is not partitioned between the funds from the legit cover enterprises and the proceeds of crime. In fact, I do believe, once tainted funds are commingled with legit they are ALL considered tainted.

Fungible: (of goods contracted for without an individual specimen being specified) able to replace or be replaced by another identical item; mutually interchangeable: "money is fungible—money that is raised for one purpose can easily be used for another"

17 posted on 08/20/2016 6:39:01 AM PDT by NurdlyPeon (It is the nature of liberals to pervert whatever they touch.)
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To: marron

If you think a ballot can’t be fixed, watch this:

https://youtu.be/t75xvZ3osFg


18 posted on 08/20/2016 6:42:50 AM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: rickmichaels

I think pro-Americans should register to vote multiple times since the courts have ruled no State can ask for ID and we know that is to help ensure illegal aliens vote and anti-Americans vote as many times as possible. So, it is the duty of pro-Americans to support their country and register to vote as much as possible. Save her or lose her, your votes matters.


19 posted on 08/20/2016 6:45:37 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: rickmichaels
despite very little evidence of actual voter fraud in the United States,

When you have more votes then there are people living in the area.... that is evidence of voter fraud.

When you have people being bused from one city to another to vote and they are handed copies of utility bills they can show to vote... that is evidence of voter fraud.

When you have districts where there is NOT A SINGLE VOTE for one major party candidate even though there are votes for candidates no one has ever heard of... that is evidence of voter fraud.

When poll watchers from one party are forced out of precincts.... that is evidence of voter fraud.

When you have members of violent radical groups with billy clubs hanging around polling stations.... you have evidence of voter intimidation.

What you mean is that none of this is prosecuted.

Which is a far different thing then there being no evidence.

And you know it.

20 posted on 08/20/2016 6:45:40 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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