Posted on 12/03/2016 6:49:19 AM PST by BlueStateRightist
There will be lawsuits. Against the city because the tenant does not have a pot to pi$$ in. Likely criminal charges against the tenant.
There will also be a crackdown against many other similar spaces in Oakland, and other cities will clue in as well.
I am close enough to the site that I could see and hear the TV helicopter that was out there half an hour ago.
I can respect nonconformist. I use to be one but times have changed. The young are not what they used to be before they allowed themselves to be brainwashed.
About half of them look reasonably normal, though some of them are striking punky attitude poses. As for the others ... well, I wouldn’t rule out spontaneous combustion as a cause.
yes, “expanded steel grating.” however, if you look at the side of the building, there does not seem to be any expanded steel grating on those windows. It could have been that there was limited visibiity if the electricity was out, or if it was smoky, or if the side of the 2nd story of the building was blocked by fire. however, i think that the building was not designed for holding large numbers of people. It was an industrial building. Next door, for example, is an auto repair shop in a similar building.
Raves seem to be a central part of the Oakland millenial counter-culture nowadays. There are many empty rundown buildings, and many millenials these days with excess time on their hands and some pocket change to spend on stuff such as tickets to rave concerts. I get a sense that many are drifting in their 20s, college dropouts or liberal arts degree holders, working menial jobs, doubling up in rented apartments, and making up any difference by mooching off of their parents. Some of the “lucky” ones are those who manage to find full time jobs with government funded non-profits or government related jobs such as museum guides. Occupy was very popular in Oakland. A day after the election I got trapped in an Oakland bar while hordes of millenials roamed the streets, blocking traffic, taking over streets, taunting the police and vandalizing businesses, cars, and trashcans. A generation or two earlier, this deviant behavior would have been largely confined to a 3 block area around People’s Park in Berkeley.
At least 9 dead, many missing in fire at Oakland party
By Jill Tucker, Erin Allday, Kevin Fagan and Hamed Aleaziz Updated 10:26 am, Saturday, December 3, 2016
SFGate
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/At-least-9-dead-many-missing-in-fire-at-Oakland-10689139.php
Building of fatal fire was known as ‘The Oakland Ghost Ship’
By Jill Tucker and Kevin Fagan Updated 10:10 am, Saturday, December 3, 2016
SFGate
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Building-of-fatal-fire-was-known-as-The-10689319.php
Not really that complex. Young people just like to party. That's all. People threw illicit parties when I was young, when my parents were young, grandparents, etc. My children, I'm certain, will attend parties where rules are broken and people are having fun, as will their children.
Thousands of similar parties took place last night all over the country. Thousands more tonight, and next weekend, and on and on.
Sometimes bad things happen.
It’s one for real, now.
That first guy with the cropped blond hair shown bobbing his head in the video is among the missing/dead.
I actually went to a rave in the late 90s in Atlanta just to see what it was like as a business deal
Lotsa gorgeous young girls dancing
A lot of Molly of course but it wasn’t called that then
Some of the guys were kinda feminine
20 bucks all night pass and draft beer and water
Like a dollar apiece
Just a huge open warehouse with light show and big sound for techno and some Manchester stuff
So I guess some Sidney around too
A friend of mines son who attended college in Athens promoted this rave everywhere and made a career of festival promotion work I hear
But given the building he used not much to catch on fire at all so this building was a poor choice
And you could smoke when I went
Some platforms and scaffolding I was more concerned about kids falling
I was 40 I guess and average attendee 22-24 maybe
He’d bring in 1500-2000 folks who bought tickets and after everything paid he’d make 15,000 or so
Not bad for one night
The big DJs especially back then from the U.K. got paid a lot
Big party places and clubs have always been risky
Just from memory
Newport KY
A barrio club in the Bronx arson by mad boyfriend years back
The Great White show
The French Quarter gay club fire in 60s by Felix oyster bar
The exits are often blocked to keep out the non payers
That’s your main issue
Pay to man them would be my recourse for that
Anyhow
Somebody loved these kids I’d sure hate to get that call
Mrs Wardadfy and I were fresh then and she’s loves to dance so she had a good time
You’re always empathetic dear
You must be alright
Some posters here well...,,they can be counted on to almost gloat over tragedy if they think the enemy died
News flash to scorn trolls here
I doubt any of these kids voted or gave money to the left
They were just dumbass poorly raised young people
Now they are burned up
Ain’t nothing fun about that
I doubt any of these kids voted or gave money to the left
They were just dumbass poorly raised young people
Now they are burned up
Ain’t nothing fun about that
Agreed. Some of us were smart and some of us were mostly lucky. I was lucky to have a smart father and just plain lucky. Not everyone is.
I've noticed the same thing, and I was happy to see a post in the same spirit removed from a different thread yesterday. If these posters aren't trolls, they don't notice that many of us, even many of them, condemn the same behavior from leftists.
I don’t care if they were saints or devil worshipers being burnt to death in the middle of a panicked crowd is just about the worst of ways to die.
/I’m thinking you’d have to be tuned up to spend a night in a public place listening to this.
I don’t know. I listen to all kinds of music. This actually isn’t bad, tho a little goes a long way for me. I’d probably use this for background while I did something else, not for dancing.
/it is only that they are so different from what I see and know.
I live in a college town in flyover country. I was a professor, now working in an administrative capacity. We’ve got all kinds - pink hair; goths; big, blond farm boys; black kids with dreads, and ‘regular’ looking people of all races. You can’t judge from outward appearance. Most of them are nice people - and you’d be surprised at how many ‘out there’ looking kids don’t do drugs and are actually pretty straight.
I look at these pictures and think any of them could be walking around campus and I wouldn’t think twice. They are somebody’s child and it’s tragic what probably has happened to them.
My point is not good and bad people; rather what is the explanation for their unaware conformity of androgony, femininity, ostentatious tattoos and the like. To say it is just being young begs the question as many appear to be well over 18. We have something in common as college professors but I have to say my students were few and far between in the bizarre appearance department.
Good post! Max dittos.
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