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Trump vows to provide ‘insurance for everybody’ in Republican health care replacement plan
Blaze ^ | 1/16/2017 | Blaze

Posted on 01/16/2017 6:29:08 AM PST by mikelets456

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To: jetson
a nickel tax on all crap food
"Crap food" as defined by who - you? Michelle Obama?
And the poor people you're so worried about already had free H/C with Medicaid.
81 posted on 01/16/2017 7:30:57 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: NorthMountain
I understand why people continue to feel that government can and should provide medical care. However, the experiments have been run, both here and in other countries, and it just doesn't work. Another system that just doesn't work is government education, for many of the same reasons.
82 posted on 01/16/2017 7:32:11 AM PST by Tax-chick ("The less free you are, the more you are obliged to applaud.")
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To: gloryblaze

The insurance companies lobby the commissioners to mandate coverage for things that a lot of people will never need and it makes it unaffordable. I would like to have a policy that doesn’t force me to pay for birth control, abortions, HIV, drug rehab, sex changes, maternity, pediatrics, etc., and maybe I could afford it. Also, I can pay for a routine checkup for myself rather than having a “free” one in my policy that is basically forcing me to pay for other people’s checkups.


83 posted on 01/16/2017 7:37:13 AM PST by Rusty0604 (bc)
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To: frnewsjunkie

You are right frnewsjunkie. I took notes and also made links of his interviews on this issue because a lot of media kept saying he wants single payer healthcare. My notes are as follows:

8-4-15 from Morning Joe MSNBC:
TRUMP QUOTE:

“It works for Canada. Not the U.S. I like private enterprise, create competition, private system, open the state lines. I want a lot of bidders. As for those who cannot afford healthcare, you have got to take care of those people. About 25% in this category. Work out deals with hospitals who are not doing that well right now.”


84 posted on 01/16/2017 7:39:03 AM PST by sheikdetailfeather (Trump is exposing the fifth column in the U.S.)
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To: Tax-chick

There are ideas. One of the main concerns is cancer. Let’s just say it: Cancer. It is #1 for costs with cardiac being a close #2. Next to cardiac in cost is long term acute care, then neonatal, then trauma care.

Hospital and physician costs are the primary drivers at 50% of costs in those five. Drugs costs come in third at 10% of total healthcare costs.

Those are the top five issues with the top three cost drivers. None of those are cheap and everyone is susceptible. Answer the question of how to pay for those nationally and the rest becomes trivial.


85 posted on 01/16/2017 7:41:21 AM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: frnewsjunkie

Mark Levin radio show 9-28-2015 (26:00 - 29:00 in audio-NOT SINGLE PAYER NO MATTER WHAT THE HEADLINES ARE SAYING. Mark wants to get Trump on his show to clarify whether this is an expanded role of govt. to help the poor when making deals with hospitals.

http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=2591&c=10771&f=4880723


86 posted on 01/16/2017 7:42:08 AM PST by sheikdetailfeather (Trump is exposing the fifth column in the U.S.)
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To: jetson

Don’t you sound like a liberal nanny.


87 posted on 01/16/2017 7:42:27 AM PST by Rusty0604 (bc)
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To: mikelets456

the blaze is trying to steer this subject to get people worked up .... its a false headline.. misleading.


88 posted on 01/16/2017 7:42:29 AM PST by frnewsjunkie
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To: TakebackGOP

“I’m a Trump supporter.”

Excellent. Then give him a chance to do the things you voted for him.


89 posted on 01/16/2017 7:43:15 AM PST by TheStickman (And their fear tastes like sunshine puked up by a unicorn.)
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To: CodeToad
Answer the question of how to pay for those nationally and the rest becomes trivial.

Collecting money is easy for government. Where it breaks down is in using the money to pay for the services in a way that is efficient and just. We all know government can never be efficient. "Just" is a religious concept, and is therefore completely outside the capacity of the state.

90 posted on 01/16/2017 7:45:32 AM PST by Tax-chick ("The less free you are, the more you are obliged to applaud.")
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To: sheikdetailfeather

I have followed every word Trump has said about health insurance.. he’s never wavered from his position.. his goal is to make it affordable.. and it will never be affordable as long as government controls it. he wants one that will help people..
get one thing straight about Trump.. he cares


91 posted on 01/16/2017 7:49:22 AM PST by frnewsjunkie
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To: DiogenesLamp

“Health Insurance originally evolved because of Government manipulation of market forces”

Actually, the health insurance problems started with companies hiring the MBA types in the 1950’s. Back then many companies offered private stock in the company so many professionals found about 30% of their income was derived in stock (or profit sharing). As a professional employees gained tenure their incomes became more and more profit sharing based; a true employee.

Companies found they could cut those costs by offering perhaps more salary and less promises of profit sharing to the younger new hires. That turned into less stock for more tenured employees too. That turned into a need to find other compensation mechanisms.

Healthcare was expensive at the time, so a group policy would save the group money, and if the employer paid some of it, that became a cost multiplier; meaning, an employee might have paid $50/month for insurance but using this employer compensated group plan they paid $15/month, giving them a perceived value of $35/month.

That turned into mandated insurance, which gave insurance companies the green light to go nuts since they now had a captive audience.

That gave the government a green light since so much money was out there and everyone in government wants their hand in it. Money = power.

Only 60 years later and the entire system has been perverted to the point of becoming useless.


92 posted on 01/16/2017 7:53:41 AM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: xzins
His press secretsry said this morn his GOAL is health insurance for all.

A better response would have been, "Health insurance for any who want it. Health care for those who need it."

Covering pre-existing conditions is not "insurance"--it's care. Yes, those folks need care, but it should be dispensed as part of a system wholly divorced from the health insurance market.
93 posted on 01/16/2017 7:54:37 AM PST by Antoninus ("The Western world has lost its civil courage, both as a whole and separately." -Solzhenitsyn)
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To: gloryblaze
What on earth makes people believe that removing the state line barriers will accomplish anything to lower cost? Insurance is expensive because of astronomical medical costs, period.

It might have when you could get inexpensive coverage in PA and not in NJ. ObamaCare has wrecked that paradigm. Now, coverage in PA is nearly as expensive as NJ because it became basically illegal to offer the inexpensive plans.
94 posted on 01/16/2017 7:57:02 AM PST by Antoninus ("The Western world has lost its civil courage, both as a whole and separately." -Solzhenitsyn)
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To: frnewsjunkie

Yes. He plans to save money up front when he opens up the state lines for competition and then make deals with hospitals for the poor who cannot afford it.


95 posted on 01/16/2017 7:57:08 AM PST by sheikdetailfeather (Trump is exposing the fifth column in the U.S.)
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To: precisionshootist

ok but what of those that can’t pay for themselves? This is where the left easily frame conservatives as uncaring. We have to define a policy that enables all people to get access to health care. This includes policies that reduce costs, which also enables access. If your “bill” is $1,000,000 could you pay that? Even $1000/month for insurance is out of reach for most.

I believe the real problem is that we have a system where each party is spending other peoples money. Even insurance is a form of socialism. When I have insurance the doctor has incentive to over prescribe, I also have no incentive to not get “the best”. If people were more inclined to shop around for the best rates costs would decrease. There’s so much wrong...


96 posted on 01/16/2017 7:58:07 AM PST by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: DiogenesLamp
You have that backwards. Medical costs are astronomically expensive because of insurance. (Also government and University created restrictions on the supply of Doctors)

You are absolutely correct, and your post number 74 should be shouted from the rooftop to explain why. But we are where we are right now. That is the starting point. I am the only person I know who questions costs from docs and staff and all I get is,"Well, you have insurance, don't you?" or eyes rolling and the look as if I have two heads. And everyone agrees. People marvel at the new facilities. Why not? They have insurance or medicaid. As you say, no skin. So in the meantime, bills have to be paid.

97 posted on 01/16/2017 7:58:10 AM PST by gloryblaze
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To: Tax-chick
Another system that just doesn't work is government education,

Agree. I continue to advocate for the abolishment of "government schools". Privatize the lot ... It would require a (state) constitutional amendment in most States. This would be a very hard sell.

98 posted on 01/16/2017 8:00:17 AM PST by NorthMountain (Los Angeles Times is Fake News)
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To: Tax-chick
Another system that just doesn't work is government education,

Agree. I continue to advocate for the abolishment of "government schools". Privatize the lot ... It would require a (state) constitutional amendment in most States. This would be a very hard sell.

99 posted on 01/16/2017 8:00:17 AM PST by NorthMountain (Los Angeles Times is Fake News)
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To: CodeToad

The first insurance I had was in the late 50’s. It was hospitalization insurance. It covered hospitalization and that is all. We paid for dr visits and prescriptions. A dr visit was anywhere from $5 to $25. Prescriptions were usually around $10. Sometimes the doctors had the medicine and gave it to you with the visit.

Look what has happened to the costs and all involved after the government took over. Everything went up in price... because a person was not who paid the bill. it was the government.. it was an entity who they charged... not a person... however you want to look at it.. government is not the answer.


100 posted on 01/16/2017 8:00:29 AM PST by frnewsjunkie
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