First sign of obesity in Arctic people [snip] remote tribes are exposed to instant noodles and pasta

DailyMail ^ | Feb 20, 2017 | Will Stewart

[Bigg Red]

Are you aware that fruits and vegetables are carbohydrates?

There are certainly carbs that are bad for you, such as the refined grains one finds in the noodles referred to here.

[Diana in Wisconsin]

Diana in Wisconsin rants, AS USUAL, “Socialism destroys EVERYTHING that it touches!”

Oh, wait...we’re talking about carbs, today. Never mind.

*SMIRK*

[DaxtonBrown]

“its high carb intake that is at the root of the obesity and health epidemics.”

I’m 63. I went heavy on meat and eggs about five years ago. Dropped thirty pouds. Just had some minor surgery last week, so they took Blood pressure 118/60, healthy EKG.

I think the “fats are bad” line is a total myth.

[Dilbert San Diego]

Some extreme reactions by people here.

I think that it really oversimplifies things, to say “carbs are bad”, or “fats are bad”. Consuming too much of anything has negative consequences, sure. How this applies to native peoples of the Siberian tundra?? Well, that’s what studies such as we see in this article try to determine. Take it for what it’s worth.

[Arthur McGowan]

Of course I’m aware of that. What about it?

[Rinnwald]

I did not know coffee went in that direction. What about syphilis and tobacco going the other way?

[angcat]

Have you ever seen a thin Eskimo?

[pepsi_junkie]

Grab some intellectual honesty? Because I recalled an article that aligned with a graphic published, by name and author, and cited it but didn’t recall the details? Grab a Is it in your genetic nature to be a jerk or or you have to work at it?

[Dr. Sivana]

Take any healthy population: if they commence a diet high in carbohydrates, many of them will become sick and fat. Carbs are behind the epidemic of chronic diseases.

Japanesee at plenty of rice, french eat plenty of bread, Italians eat plenty of pasta. All are known to be long lived, and not particularly fat.

Perhaps you mean sugar.

[stellaluna]

I think Daily Mail is full of it on this. Do you know how hard life is in the Artic? The amount of calories burned just getting wood for the fire is huge. I don’t care if they are eating pasta or not, seal blubber has a lot more fat. These people are far more active that the average Brit.

[Bigg Red]

Just pointing out that not all carbs are bad for you.

[Yaelle]

Carbs are not all bad. We aren’t just us. There is more of a gut (etc) bacteria population than there is me in me. And their happiness makes me heslthier. The good ones need carbs. From veggies, resistant starch, other fibers, even a little fruit. Now that I know about them, and their effects on my body and brain functioning, I feed them when I feed me.

Cravings come from the gut bugs. The more harmful ones crave sugar. Mine now crave all kinds of cooked vegetables and fibers.

[Kommodor]

Ping to look at later.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Most human diseases come from living with animals. Horses, chickens and especially pigs being the main ones. Since in the Americas there were only a few domestic animals they neither developed those diseases or developed immunity to them.

Which is probably a good thing as if diseases had hit Europe as hard as they did the Americas we would be speaking Arabic or Chinese now.

[Arthur McGowan]

But that’s my point. ALL carbs ARE bad for you.

[Blennos]

Japanesee at plenty of rice, french eat plenty of bread, Italians eat plenty of pasta. All are known to be long lived, and not particularly fat. Perhaps you mean sugar.

Carbs are converted into sugar early in the digestive process. Refined carbs are converted earlier. You may as well eat straight sugar as refined carbs.

My comment was indirectly referring to non-carb-eating peoples, of which there are still a few extant today. In cases I have read about, these groups develop the "diseases of civilization" (heart disease, cancer, diabetes, IBD, allergies etc) after embarking on a carb-laden diet.

Some people and some populations can tolerate a certain amount of carbs without increased morbidity, but there are always limits. French, Italians and Japanese do get heart disease and cancer. Longevity is the not the only token for a healthy population. Many can live long while being chronically sick. Through my studies, I have come to believe that almost all, if not all, of the modern chronic diseases have their basis in a deleterious diet.

[PA Engineer]

Their normal diet is mostly protein and their metabolism is optimized for it.

Mostly fat with a much smaller proportion of protein (ketogenic diet). Protein undergoes gluconeogenesis or neogluconeogenesis. The Native American diet was insulin sparing until large amounts of carbohydrates were introduced.

Native Americans are genetically prone to metabolic syndrome, however almost everyone to some extent will develop insulin resistance with age on a carbohydrate based diet.

[PA Engineer]

CARBS are evil... all this nonsense about fat over the last 30 years or whatever is total nonsense, its high carb intake that is at the root of the obesity and health epidemics.

Agreed. I would add most neurodegenerative diseases are also caused by carbohydrate based metabolic changes and insulin resistance.

All of the development of "miracle" cures (drugs) will not stop the course of disease until the underlying insulin neuro-dysregulation is addressed. That is simply a radical change in diet to a ketogenic one.

[HamiltonJay]

Did you miss this:

” its high carb intake that is at the root of the obesity and health epidemics.”

I didn’t say ALL carb intake is evil. Vegetable carbs, other than a few exceptions are a very minor part of their bulk. You can eat an entire potatoe and not eat 40 carbs and that’s a HEAVY carb veggie... (starch)... most vegetables have very few carbs per their bulk... 1 Package of Ramen on the other hand, hand is 55 carbs, and its highly refined and processed carbs as well...

A carrot on the other hand has 6 Carbs, an apple 25. Carbs density of a food is a HUGE indicator of how bad it is for you. If you have a food that is nearly pure carbohydrates, like most processed foods based on flour etc are.. you are effectively poisoning yourself.

The highly refined carbs of processed food are effectively poison, and you don’t wind up with high carb intake unless you are consuming highly processed foods. You aren’t putting 100-200 or 300 carbs a day into your body eating fruits and veggies. You literally would on average have to be eating 2lbs or more of fruits and veggies per 100 carbs to get to those levels... Meanwhile one 3oz packet of Ramen has a greater carb density (and are all highly refined) as 1lb of typical veggies or fruits and clocks in a less than 1/4 of the raw weight.

[Dr. Sivana]

French, Italians and Japanese do get heart disease and cancer.

Well,everyone dies of something. The three carb-eating peoples I mentioned are not just long-lived but among the longest in the world among significantly sized populations. BTW, I am not particularly pro-carb or anti-fat, but wheat and rice have been staples of some of the greatest civilizations from the time there has been civilization.

As a Catholic, I understand that Our Lord has commanded us to take him under the apparent form of bread (with all its accidental qualities of bread), and while "Man does not live on bread alone", it enjoys a privileged position, along with fish and wine, when Our Lord chose to feed people.

One can maintain that the grains of biblical times are different from the hybridized and GMO versions available today, but these breads were still primarily carb based nutritionally.