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Need advice - self defense training for 11-13 year olds
tbw2 | 03/07/2017 | tbw2

Posted on 03/07/2017 6:32:44 PM PST by tbw2

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To: mkmensinger

Except that Aikido takes a bit of time under instruction to become effective. If he needs immediate I’d go with Ishin Ryu or Krav Maga.

That being said: Throat, groin, eyes, nose, ear slaps, solar plexus. Short hard closed or open hands (except the ears). Either hand can be used with minimal force required to be effective. Does not require significant time under instruction. Just force him to respond immediately under duress. He can use items in his hands as extensions on the same areas with minimal practice.


101 posted on 03/08/2017 6:59:31 AM PST by reed13k
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To: USS Alaska

Marquess of Queensberry? Bloody, hell!

102 posted on 03/08/2017 7:37:59 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: tbw2

Everybody is going to give you a different style, so I’ll just lay out the reasoning behind them.

Karate, kickboxing, Krav Maga, etc will tend to be mostly striking, though everybody is teaching a little grappling these days. Striking has an advantage with multiple attackers. It keeps you on your feet, and moving. But very often when I saw guys who were strikers do a street fight, somebody would grab them and clinch, maybe in a head lock, and everything they learned became useless as both fell to the ground and began wrestling.

Wrestling is great, because he can always close, clinch, and then control his opponent on the ground. The shortfall is if there are multiple attackers the others may be kicking him in the kidney and head while he is down there.

Judo and Brazillian JuJitsu will teach him how to disable his opponent while he is down there with submissions like chokes, arm bars, leg locks, etc, so he can get up and begin dealing with #’s 2, 3, 4 etc, but there is no guarantee while he is down with #1 he won’t get kicked in the head and hurt.

If he were my kid I would look to a good basic style of Japanese Karate, Kyokoshin is good because of contact in training, but Shotokan would be good too, and then do Judo or Brazillian Jujitsu for submission. Then I would make sure he Wrestled in school. I like the tradition and respect in the old arts, for kids, but BJJ isn’t bad skill wise.

Now the final caveat - the instructor makes the school. A good instructor, rough around the edges, who has been in street fights and knows how things go in that unregulated, uncontrolled environment will be infinitely better than a guy who has practiced responsibly and won a lot of trophies in tournaments, and never been in a scuffle. Ex-Military combat arms is a big plus.

If he did that all through school, he would come out with martial arts skills good enough to take on just about any situation, and if he practiced on his own at home, he could maybe almost go pro.

If he were only to get one, I would do grappling, and get him a heavy punching bag and speed bag, as well as weight lifting setup. Grappling, being big, plus hands fast enough and hard enough to hit would be good enough for a trip through school dealing with bullies.

Get out the very first seven or so UFC’s on DVD. In the beginning it was very unregulated, and you got a good look at what the different styles looked like against each other, and how different fighters adapted them to street fights in clothes.

Now everybody is stripped down, shaved, oiled up, and barefoot on the slippery canvas, all of which degrade the effectiveness of grappling, and favors striking. On the street, with shoes, and wearing clothes is hugely different, and more like the first UFCs.


103 posted on 03/08/2017 9:55:20 AM PST by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: tbw2

Everybody is going to give you a different style, so I’ll just lay out the reasoning behind them.

Karate, kickboxing, Krav Maga, etc will tend to be mostly striking, though everybody is teaching a little grappling these days. Striking has an advantage with multiple attackers. It keeps you on your feet, and moving. But very often when I saw guys who were strikers do a street fight, somebody would grab them and clinch, maybe in a head lock, and everything they learned became useless as both fell to the ground and began wrestling.

Wrestling is great, because he can always close, clinch, and then control his opponent on the ground. The shortfall is if there are multiple attackers the others may be kicking him in the kidney and head while he is down there.

Judo and Brazillian JuJitsu will teach him how to disable his opponent while he is down there with submissions like chokes, arm bars, leg locks, etc, so he can get up and begin dealing with #’s 2, 3, 4 etc, but there is no guarantee while he is down with #1 he won’t get kicked in the head and hurt.

If he were my kid I would look to a good basic style of Japanese Karate, Kyokoshin is good because of contact in training, but Shotokan would be good too, and then do Judo or Brazillian Jujitsu for submission. Then I would make sure he Wrestled in school. I like the tradition and respect in the old arts, for kids, but BJJ isn’t bad skill wise.

Now the final caveat - the instructor makes the school. A good instructor, rough around the edges, who has been in street fights and knows how things go in that unregulated, uncontrolled environment will be infinitely better than a guy who has practiced responsibly and won a lot of trophies in tournaments, and never been in a scuffle. Ex-Military combat arms is a big plus.

If he did that all through school, he would come out with martial arts skills good enough to take on just about any situation, and if he practiced on his own at home, he could maybe almost go pro.

If he were only to get one, I would do grappling, and get him a heavy punching bag and speed bag, as well as weight lifting setup. Grappling, being big, plus hands fast enough and hard enough to hit would be good enough for a trip through school dealing with bullies.

Get out the very first seven or so UFC’s on DVD. In the beginning it was very unregulated, and you got a good look at what the different styles looked like against each other, and how different fighters adapted them to street fights in clothes.

Now everybody is stripped down, shaved, oiled up, and barefoot on the slippery canvas, all of which degrade the effectiveness of grappling, and favors striking. On the street, with shoes, and wearing clothes is hugely different, and more like the first UFCs.


104 posted on 03/08/2017 9:57:43 AM PST by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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You make a great point about the instructor. To that, I would add the senior students. Our school is not particularly large, but large enough so that the whole class can break out into smaller groups. Junior belts are often working with black belts, under the supervision of the two main instructors, and how you get along with the black belts has a great deal to do with how much you get out of our school.

I would recommend again taking the time to visit whatever school your kid might be interested in, more than once. Maybe even take a class yourself. Talk not only to the owner or principal instructor but the senior belts too.

BTW look especially carefully at schools where everybody is a black belt, or where there are fifty different belt colors. There are often "testing fees" associated with promotions, and you want to look out for schools where promotions seem to be more important than learning. At our school there are only five belts -- white, yellow, green, red, black. I was a white belt for five months before I got my yellow. Sometimes the chief will put a little stripe of colored electrical tape around your belt to show you are making progress towards the next belt. There aren't any tests to speak of for belts except black -- you get promoted when the chief thinks you are ready -- but there is a formal test for black belt, with fee, but that is because it is certified by the governing foundation(s).

BTW -- there are lots of stories about how the belts got their colors. The most poetic one is that they represent stages of growth. Snow white in winter to start with. The yellow sun comes out in early spring, and then the green shoots appear, later blossoming into beautiful red flowers. The flowers disappear into blackness as the plant becomes fully mature. Then snow falls and the process begins again. Some black belts themselves tell me that their black belt is merely an indicator of how much they don't know.

But I think the true story of belt colors is that they represent the various stages of bruising! The more livid the belt color, the more serious the bruise. ;-)
105 posted on 03/08/2017 10:34:00 AM PST by daltec
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To: tbw2

Fighting back will get a kid into as much trouble as the attacker. Unless it’s done away from school.


106 posted on 03/08/2017 11:17:25 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Building the Wall! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: smokingfrog
Learn how to fight dirty.

When the choice is win, be crippled or die, as it often is today, there is nothing dirty enough to not use.

107 posted on 03/08/2017 11:22:23 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Building the Wall! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: JimRed
I have never seen it, but I am assured it exists: in my instructor's instructor's office is a large 4" D-ring binder titled "MANUAL OF HAPKIDO." When you open this impressive tome, inside there is but one sheet of paper with but one word printed on it:

WIN.


108 posted on 03/08/2017 11:27:06 AM PST by daltec
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

Same here.


109 posted on 03/09/2017 3:24:52 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: LaDivaLoca
My instructors here in Phoenix also trained under Darrin levine. Our school hold an annual fund-raising for his late wife, Marni, who died of cancer. Darrin came over a few years ago and held an all-day seminar that I attended.

My son-in-law holds an annual fund raising event for Marni as well. Darrin comes to Houston a couple of times a year and his visit is a treat for all of the Krav students.

110 posted on 03/10/2017 9:57:41 AM PST by demkicker (My passion for freedom is stronger than that of Democrats whose obsession is to enslave me.)
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