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The Variable Sun and Its Effects on Earth
Thunderbolts EU 2014 Conference ^ | November 2014 | Ben Davidson

Posted on 06/03/2017 7:35:29 AM PDT by seastay

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To: PilotDave
The earth receives 99.9999999% of it's heat energy from the sun

Without any CO2 the earth would be 90% frozen and mostly lifeless.

41 posted on 06/05/2017 8:19:00 AM PDT by palmer (turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure)
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To: Mikey_1962
Man accounts for only 3% of Carbon Dioxide production per year.

That's if you only count production. If you count uptake, man accounts for almost zero uptake, whereas nature's uptake is all of nature's production and then some.

42 posted on 06/05/2017 8:20:52 AM PDT by palmer (turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Of course, the greens are using that datum to argue against switching from oil to fracked natural gas due to inevitable pipeline leakage.

They are wrong as usual. In this case there is less methane leakage because of the pipelines. If it were not for pipelines the methane would be released or partially burned off.

43 posted on 06/05/2017 8:23:09 AM PDT by palmer (turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure)
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To: reg45
Russia is not a participant in the Paris Climate Accord.

They signed but are putting off ratifying. They say three more years. But Paris gave them a giant bonus by using Soviet output as a baseline.

44 posted on 06/05/2017 8:25:21 AM PDT by palmer (turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure)
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To: zeugma
"I agree that cooling is more of a danger than warming. "

Cooling we can fix, and we can use the greenhouse effect to make that happen. Sulfur hexafluoride (SF6)is a hugely more potent greenhouse gas than either CO2 or methane, is not present in nature (Beer's law effect in spectroscopy), is VERY stable once synthesized, and has a long half-life in the atmosphere (a consequence of being very stable). Have passenger jets carry and empty tanks of same during regular flights.

But we gotta be darned sure the cooling isn't short term, as its very long halflife also means that it will be difficult to remove if we suddenly decide "oops---shouldn't oughta have done that---not a real Ice Age onset".

45 posted on 06/05/2017 8:30:21 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: palmer
"They are wrong as usual. In this case there is less methane leakage because of the pipelines. If it were not for pipelines the methane would be released or partially burned off."

All true, of course. But you can't ascribe either knowledgeable or rational thought to leftists. Another glaring contradiction is that they are all in favor of methane when it is harvested from a garbage dump or manure digester.

46 posted on 06/05/2017 8:34:40 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Leftist heads explode when evil corporations start using renewable methane: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/510066/audi-to-make-fuel-using-solar-power/

Right now America is inventing solar panels that turn sunlight, water and ambient CO2 into methane. The panels will work better where CO2 is higher (e.g. recapture applications). But the idea that panels will save the world from their imaginary catastrophe using capitalism is an anathema. That's why they are pushing hard for primitive technologies like wind right now.

47 posted on 06/05/2017 8:46:55 AM PDT by palmer (turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure)
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To: Swordmaker

“everyone fell in line and believe them without demanding ANY ABSOLUTE EMPIRICAL PROOF!”

Well, people have been well trained over the last century or two to accept “science” of this nature. In many areas, scientists have simply gone beyond what they could possibly conduct controlled experiments on, so there is no possibility of experimental confirmation. Instead of declaring such things properly outside the reach of current science, scientists lowered their standards and declared speculation and mathematical modeling as acceptable substitutes for empirical evidence. Thus we have a lot of dressed up philosophy masquerading as “science”.


48 posted on 06/05/2017 8:53:37 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: zeugma

“Every time I read the phrase “dark matter” or “dark energy” I chuckle.”

The very notion that scientists should base their theories on something unobservable is ludicrous. You might as well call this “pixie dust” and “fairies” instead of “dark matter” and “dark energy”, since they are essentially invoking the supernatural to plug the holes in their formulas.


49 posted on 06/05/2017 8:57:14 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: roadcat

There may effects from outside of our solar system as well.


50 posted on 06/05/2017 9:34:14 AM PDT by monocle
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