Skip to comments.Cruz Offers an Imperfect Healthcare Compromise that Just Might Work
Posted on 07/13/2017 11:45:44 AM PDT by ckinv368
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“Get a grip, FRiend.
If an employer wants to OFFER you insurance, then BRAVO and KUDOS to that employer.
The government (aka MY tax $$) owe YOU nothing. Healthcare is NOT a right.”
Maybe you should get a grip. If an insurance company covers people with pre-existing conditions it costs the government nothing. It doesn’t involve tax dollars. If the person with preexisting conditions is instead covered by Medicaid as you said in post 35 that does involve your tax dollars.
Something is not adding up.
If an insurance company covers people with pre-existing conditions it costs the government nothing.
Ha ha...you make me laugh!!
You CANNOT be serious. Under 0care...preexisting conditions are paid for by tax payers. That means it DOES cost the govt...because I am paying for it.
I cannot believe I’m having to give such remedial lessons here on FR. Again...you may be on the WRONG forum, if you think I/govt should pay for pre-existing conditions.
So what. In post 35 you said they should be covered by Medicaid. Medicaid is paid for by taxpayers. That’s what doesn’t makes sense. Being riled up about requiring insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions, then say they instead should be covered by Medicaid.
Exactly how are preexisting conditions paid for by taxpayers if it’s the insurance companies that are covering pre-existing conditions?
You just don’t get it.
I’d rather pay for the the low percentage of folks who can’t afford coverage...via Medicaid, like BEFORE 0CommieCare, than to be FORCED to pay ADDITIONAL tax $$ for those who sign up for 0Care...AFTER they’re diagnosed...via a MANDATED TAX collected since this monstrosity was passed.
I am essentially paying double...for those I’ve been paying for and for those who now feel healthcare is a right, for pre-existing conditions, via 0Care.
My taxes have only gone UP, while my coverage has diminished, since 0CommieCare was passed.
Curious...are you on 0CommieCare?
So we agree it’s not up to the government.
As for insurance companies covering preexisting conditions that would an insurance companies decision if they choose to do so which is called free market.
Government should not mandate they cover it and health care again is NOT a right, it’s a product you buy “if” you want it.
Yes I agree it’s not up to the government. But I do agree with the mandate that insurance companies be required to cover pre-existing conditions. They do for those in employer provided insurance groups which is the majority with health insurance coverage. It’s partly a fairness issue, why should the self employed and small business employees be the only ones denied insurance because of pre-existing conditions when those with employer provided insurance don’t?
Covering pre-existing conditions that the person most often had no control over is not the same as them thinking “health care is a right”. Many don’t.
It’s a fairness issue.
I have employer provided health care where those with pre-existing conditions are automatically covered. I think it very unfair for insurance companies to not put self employed and small business employees in larger groups and cover pre-existing conditions. If you can explain the fairness in them no doing that I’ll listen.
We actually have better coverage now than we had before ACA. Our insurance premiums did go up, but at the beginning of 2017 we went to high deductible with an HSA. That was a union proposal, it turned out so good the entire company went to it.
Why should the family Trump mentions be denied insurance?
They weren’t denied they couldn’t afford it. Not my problem.
End of discussion..
Did you even listen? They were dropped from heath insurance four times. Sounds exactly like being denied coverage.
You really have a rude attitude towards a family who are denied coverage four times because they have an autistic son.
Under Obamacare: You Cant Be Denied Coverage For Any Reason
Title I Sec. 2712. Prohibition on rescissions. Prohibits all plans from rescinding (dropping) coverage except in instances of fraud or misrepresentation and/or non payment.
An insurance company can drop out of an exchange but they have to give you 30 days to find other insurance.
They either failed to pay which makes sense at the outrageous cost they were being charged and based on their complaints or they committed fraud (unlikely) or misrepresented their needs (also unlikely).
As for the family they were not denied coverage. They’re a small business and they simply couldn’t afford it.
So Trump is lying? Or the family is lying to Trump?
We’re back to the question I asked. Its a fairness issue.
I have employer provided health care where those with pre-existing conditions are automatically covered. I think it very unfair for insurance companies to not put self employed and small business employees in larger groups and cover pre-existing conditions. If you can explain the fairness in them not doing that Ill listen.
I really don’t give a shxt about fairness. End of discussion.
You know it’s wrong for insurance companies to deny coverage for preexisting conditions with the self employed and small businesses when they don’t for bigger groups. But you don’t want to admit it so you get a nasty attitude. Cool.
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