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1 posted on 07/13/2017 11:45:45 AM PDT by ckinv368
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No Obamacare is the solution. Less federal involvement is the solution. Honoring the Constitution and not progressive mad schemes is the solution.


2 posted on 07/13/2017 12:07:36 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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If it does not return medicine to the free market and that does NOT mean a simulacrum of the free market, medicine in America will continue to deteriorate. The problems with medial care and insurance derive wholly from previous government intervention in first, the insurance market (FDR) then in the whole medical field. So Obamacare was to solve those problems by multiplying government intervention which resulted in insuring more people and cutting more people out of medical care altogether though they do have “insurance.” Now the ongoing collapse of the savior system is bringing a tweaking of government intervention and a removal of much of the funding for the government Health System for that is what it is. Our elected representatives are the recipients of a whole new and wonderful world of graft and corruption such that they soon will not even have to pay lip service to the voters. Government control of medicine and access to medicine is ultimately total control of the society. The elected officials cannot let this get away from them by rationalizing the system back to the free market. It cannot be done by Congressional vote.


8 posted on 07/13/2017 12:31:39 PM PDT by arthurus
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Cruz’s plan is a very sneaky way of getting rid of Obamacare by allowing people the option of purchasing other health care insurance. It will be the death of Obamacare. Very clever in my mind.


11 posted on 07/13/2017 12:37:51 PM PDT by HarleyD (Ecc 10:2 A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left.)
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Released today, the new Senate healthcare plan—modified by Sen. Ted Cruz—gets Republicans most of the way there, and may actually stand a chance of passage. Under the modified plan, federal Medicaid costs would be decreased at the state level, and most Obamacare taxes and penalties (many of which weren’t complied with anyway) would disappear. Gone will be the day when my butcher Roland (who is healthy) is required to pay a $700 penalty each year he doesn’t sign up for an overly-expensive government-mandated plan he can’t afford.


I read earlier that McConnell released the bill and it didn’t include the Cruz Lee Amendment. Maybe he was able to get a motion thru that added it?!?


14 posted on 07/13/2017 12:40:45 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 (Inside Every Liberal is a Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out - D. Horowitz)
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Medical Insurance should be as easy to buy as Car Insurance.


15 posted on 07/13/2017 12:44:33 PM PDT by McGruff (MAGA)
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The perfect solution:
Repeal Obamacare in full
Put Medicare back to where it was
Allow folks to buy the health insurance THEY WANT across state lines to promote competition
Drop the 26 year old on parents policy BS
Drop the pre-existing conditions BS

Healthcare is not a right it’s a product you purchase..IF you want it.


18 posted on 07/13/2017 12:55:28 PM PDT by maddog55 (America Rising)
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hmmm.....guess that explains why our Democrap Governor, Tax-it-All Tommy Wolf, is all over the radio with PSA’s about the opioid epidemic. The money train is leaving the station, and he wants to hop on board.


23 posted on 07/13/2017 2:06:06 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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Where’s that Tracy Morgan gif at?

REPEAL!


24 posted on 07/13/2017 2:27:20 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Man-made global liberalism is killing the planet)
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Reduce costs, reduce taxes, take away the “individual mandate,” but still ensure people that want healthcare have the ability to purchase it

The whole problem, succinctly stated, in one clever, incoherent sentence.

The reason the Republicans can't crack this nut, in fact, the reason their party won't exist as a single party by 2024, is that they are divided and unable to be reconciled over the contradiction so ably stated above.

"Ensure people that want healthcare have the ability to purchase it"

Let's break it down.

Nobody "wants" "healthcare" (whatever that is). I suppose the author of the sentence means "health insurance".

People either need health care (meaning, hospitalization, surgery, medications, and nursing services), or they don't. WHEN they need it, they want it (or are too sick to know they do), but when they don't need it, they most certainly don't WANT it.

When people NEED hospitalization, surgery, medications, and nursing services (and notice how much people don't want to think about that - they invented the euphemism "healthcare" to describe it) - when they need it, "having the ability to purchase it" is absolutely, totally, 100% completely the last thing on their minds. So is organizing society so that it will be available. What is on patient's minds at the point of need is death, or life - disability and disfigurement, or recovery. They do not know, or care, who pays, or how.

So, the Democrats have resolved the philosophical question that comes before the practical problem. They want to ensure that "healthcare" (by which they mean services) is given to all by the government without regard for ability to purchase (pay for) it. Whether this is right or wrong, smart or stupid, practical or akin to skittles from unicorns is not my point. My point is that they have resolved the contradiction embedded in "lower costs, lower taxes, no mandate, ensure ability to purchase (pay for it) for 100% of the population". The Democrats know what they want, and they are united and determined to have it.

The poor, stupid Republicans, OTOH, are divided about the underlying premise. They really do want health insurance to be cheaper without the lost revenue being made up by taxes, and they want no requirement to have it, BUT they also want "people that want healthcare" (again, whatever that means) to "have the ability to purchase it".

This is incoherent. If hospitals, surgeons, drug manufacturers and nurses do not get paid for their services, they will no longer be available. Many, many people who NEED (and therefore "want") those services cannot pay 1% of what they cost.

"Ensuring that people that want healthcare have the ability to purchase it" either means cheap insurance that doesn't cover anything OR nationalization of the resources to deliver care to those who cannot, or will not, pay.

There is no middle ground. The Democrats know what they want. The Republicans don't.

As Sun Tzu said, "It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle."

The Republicans do not have a plan because they do not have a philosophy that can support their opposed goals of more freedom for the well and perfect security for the sick.

29 posted on 07/14/2017 4:53:46 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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