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New Paradigms in Addiction Therapy – Chemical Substances Are Not the Main Factor
Wake Up World ^ | 11 DEC 2017 | Anthony Tyler

Posted on 12/12/2017 9:30:01 AM PST by JockoManning

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To: JockoManning

You are obviously so involved in RAD that you can’t or won’t here anything else

Look up the say alcoholics...true alcoholics....process alcohol

The fact that some folks with mental illness use alcohol to feel better is not what alcoholism is


61 posted on 12/13/2017 8:50:23 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: JockoManning

They are not beliefs. They are opinions based on scientific fact

Treatment centers for alcoholics have a miserable record. They teach stupid things like relapse is part of recovery

You ain’t an alcoholic and hence cannot understand it at all


62 posted on 12/13/2017 8:52:36 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: JockoManning

Don’t bother responding any more. You merely show the ignorance of those who do not understand what alcoholism is


63 posted on 12/13/2017 8:54:00 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Nifster
The fact that some folks with mental illness use alcohol to feel better is not what alcoholism is

I gather you've never heard that alcohol is for alcoholics the anesthesia of choice for the pains of living--as flawed folks in a flawed world.

Sorry we weren't able to help you learn something useful about RAD and alcoholism. The professional links may help others make useful connections, however.

Cheers.

64 posted on 12/13/2017 8:54:55 AM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: Nifster

Perhaps it would be helpful for you to elaborate at great length about what YOU believe alcoholism is. I’m very slightly curious about that.


65 posted on 12/13/2017 8:57:46 AM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: JockoManning

I gather you gave never read about how alcoholics process alcohol

Your ignorance doesn’t get and keep sober


66 posted on 12/13/2017 9:17:57 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: JockoManning

Why not read some things on the other side

RAD is a very uncommon diagnosis.

http://www.childrenintherapy.org/attachmentdisorder.html


67 posted on 12/13/2017 9:41:33 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: JockoManning

It’s just a guess on my part, but you’ve never raised any children, have you?


68 posted on 12/13/2017 10:03:55 AM PST by Garth Tater (Gone Galt and I ain't coming back.)
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To: Nifster

How alcoholics process alcohol doesn’t change the fact that the neural brain grooves with the dopamine loop phenomenon becomes ingrained at an early age. And THAT fact has a lot more influence on alcoholics seeking their anesthetic of choice than the other way around.


69 posted on 12/13/2017 10:45:58 AM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: JockoManning
Choice is choice.....regardless of so called ‘precursor's’....Choice is 'an act of selecting' or 'making a decision' ....We have control over what we think and how we act since 'free will rests in the power of choice'....taking responsibility and the consequences.
70 posted on 12/13/2017 10:48:29 AM PST by caww (freeen)
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To: Nifster
My housemate had that discussion with one of his top flight colleagues. The colleague ended up agreeing with him.

The profession has not caught up with the realities of the oligarchy engineered destruction of fathers, fathering and the family.

My housemate actually believes that the frequency of significant degrees of RAD is even higher than 80%. He believes it's closer to 95%.

He arrived at those figures from the 3,000+ students he's taught on 2 continents. With classes of 35-75 students, probably at least 50% of those classes did not have ONE student who seemed to be relatively free of significant RAD. In the rest of those classes, probably 90+% of the other 50% of those classes had only one or two students who were relatively free of significant RAD. Maybe a total of approximately 5 of those classes may have had no more than 3 students who were relatively free of significant RAD.

Suffice it to say, we are quite comfortable with the accuracy of our estimates of the incidence of significant RAD. If anything, the younger the cohort, the more RAD.

When we say "significant RAD," we mean sufficient amounts of it to cause significant, obvious, chronic problems in virtually all their relationships and in their expression of emotions.

71 posted on 12/13/2017 10:56:13 AM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: Garth Tater
Wellllll, you are also wrong about that.

I've raised a son and a daughter. They also have significant RAD but are doing amazingly well in their careers and marriages. My son has 5 kids that appear to be extremely well adjusted. My daughter just had a new baby.

Oh, I forgot to mention another addiction--control-freakism.

72 posted on 12/13/2017 10:58:12 AM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: JockoManning
How could I be also wrong about that when I only made one guess?

I do have another question for you though. Why did you make your children feel insufficiently loved?
73 posted on 12/13/2017 11:03:25 AM PST by Garth Tater (Gone Galt and I ain't coming back.)
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To: caww
Yes and no.

We are literally programmed to think down given pathways--many of them very early in our lives--and enduringly over the whole of our lives. That's part of what the OP is describing.

And, that's part of why it's so difficult to change someone's mind from liberal to conservative.

And it's getting worse. Now there's technology that allows the government to program our thinking more heavy-handedly and to more refined, detailed degrees.

And that doesn't even get into demonic influence.

There's reasons the Bible insists that we not be unfittingly judgmental in critical-judgment kinds of ways--because we have not walked in their shoes--with all the forces channeling their thoughts and actions toward certain specifics.

Yes, we still have a measure of "free-will." But that is diminishing all the time.

And RAD diminishes a huge chunk of it early on.

If you have never had a compulsive, habitual thought pattern, PTL. However, I'm 100% skeptical that you have not had such a thought pattern.

None of us are as totally free in our wills as we'd like to think.

Bertrand Russel bragged more than 70 years ago, IIRC, that eventually, the oligarchy would control individuals and the population as a whole through very sophisticated mass, group and media based psychological techniques. They are already almost fully there.

Just witness the sheeple's responses to the lies of the mass media.

74 posted on 12/13/2017 11:04:47 AM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: Garth Tater
I did my best on that score. They knew they were loved. I don't know that they felt loved sufficently frequently, however.

My dad was outrageously emotionally verbally abusive. He thought it was his duty to deride, attack, undermine, etc. my personhood and confidence every day. He claimed it was the only way I could be made fit to be around.

He has required our mother and us 4 daughters to walk on egg shells around him 24/7 all our lives. Otherwise he instantly erupts into a literal 2-year-old-mentality-&-behavior FIT. We thought he was going to have a heart attack merely because my housemate left a phone message to my mother--or maybe it was an email. He was raging for hours--maybe days. I forget. But that's what I grew up with.

I was way to smothering of my kids. And, my husband running around on me early in our marriage didn't help my emotional or psychological health.

I have been extremely careful about boundaries the last 10+ years of my relationship with my adult kids. We have made progress. However, they still tend to keep me on a short leash even though I have NEVER pushed my boundaries with them or tried to impose my constructions or opinions on reality on them.

Both of them ended up liberals--largely from their black father's influences. Then my son took an admin job with a major corporation and began to see things differently. My daughter is beginning to see that the liberal constructions on reality don't quite fit. It doesn't help that she works in San Francisco.

75 posted on 12/13/2017 11:13:17 AM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: Nifster
WHAT precisely DOES keep alcoholics sober in your observations and experience?

I'm eager to hear your prescription.

76 posted on 12/13/2017 11:15:17 AM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: Nifster

You seem like you are an extremely BLACK or WHITE 100% vs 0% sort of person. Your teens must have had fun with that.


77 posted on 12/13/2017 11:16:14 AM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: Garth Tater

about also wrong . . . sorry, I mixed you up with the other bloke in my head as I was writing that response.


78 posted on 12/13/2017 11:18:41 AM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: JockoManning

You stated.....”We are literally ‘programmed to think’ down given pathways—many of them very early in our lives—and enduringly over the whole of our lives.”...

We are certainly ‘influenced’ but taking it to the degree of being ‘programmed’ is far fetched at best when it comes to ‘willingly’ taking in to the body whatever substance of ones choice which leads to addictions.

... talking about the brain..... we see the world via the brain...programming as you’re implyiing is ‘brainwashing’.....the healthy brain connections are already in place at birth..... obvious brainwashing is possible when it comes to controlling people as we see in the muslim world and NKorea.....where they are not ‘free’ to choose.

But that is very different than saying a person becomes addicted because he’s programmed so.......rather he destroys the pathways in his brain by being an addict.

Remarkably the brain has an amazing ability to heal if given the time to do so as well as those pathways which have been harmed.......in other cases the damage is so severe little amount of healing can occur.

But I totally disagree peoples brain pathways are programed ‘for addiction’.....that’s pure baloney.


79 posted on 12/13/2017 11:26:21 AM PST by caww (freeen)
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To: caww
Did you read the OP article?

Am rushing off on errands at the moment. Later.

80 posted on 12/13/2017 12:11:29 PM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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