Posted on 01/09/2018 11:01:14 AM PST by C19fan
My thought exactly. Discostu seems to be intent on downplaying the NFL's loss of fans. Almost like he has a financial stake in football. Maybe a local sportswriter, maybe heavily into Fantasy football, something...
For myself, I came of age while the Dolphins had their perfect season. I can still name most of the players on that team. When I moved from Florida to New Mexico, I started following the Bronco's as well.
Last season we invited people over to watch the game about 4 or 5 times. We went to a friend's gigantic annual Superbowl party. I signed up for an on line fantasy football league. I gave my boys NFL branded merchandise for Christmas.
This season - nada.
And it isn't just me. That big annual Superbowl party we usually go to? My friend just told me they are skipping it this year because of lack of interest. Our favorite after church restaurant has a bar area with about a dozen TV's. In the past it has been packed on Sundays. We went a couple of weeks ago and it was maybe a third full.
Being in the t-shirt business I am always asked to print stuff with team logos on it. In the past I have had to have long explanations with my customers about copyright infringement and what is legal and what is not. During football season this was an almost daily occurrence. I haven't had a single person this year ask me to print a pro football related t-shirt. Not one.
And before you ask, we had a really good year in 2017 otherwise. Business up by 15%.
So Discostu, viewership may be down on everything everywhere, but I am telling you that the fandom, the people interested in football is WAY down this past year. Maybe it will come back, maybe it won't, but the NFL didn't do itself any favors in the way they handled the kneelers.
Calling someone Bagdad Bob isn’t a personal attack?! BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA Now you’ve gone into full on useless prat mode.
You gave me no facts. You gave me an anecdote about Chiefs attendance which doesn’t matter and talked about middle class shrinkage which would be faced by all the sports and like all the other factors is obviously being weathered better by the NFL than the rest of he sports.
The facts are in, you are wrong, you’ve reduced yourself to personal attacks in a desperate attempt to have the last word. Well I give you the last words, I’m sure it will have no facts, more personal attacks and be utterly useless.
There’s no downplaying. What do you people find so difficult to follow about simple FACTS.
The NFL’s ratings drop is lower than that being experienced by the rest of TV:
http://deadline.com/2018/01/cable-2017-network-ratings-rankings-scorecard-1202235144/
https://www.thewrap.com/broadcast-tv-ratings-nbc-cbs-abc-fox-cw/
Ad revenue is up during NFL games:
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/despite-ratings-issues-nfl-ad-revenues-september/169565
Most revenue projections have the NFL topping $14 billion:
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2017/03/06/Leagues-and-Governing-Bodies/NFL-revenue.aspx
And Verizon just doubled what they’re paying the NFL:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21737823/verizon-nfl-agree-new-5-year-deal-worth-nearly-25-billion
Those ARE THE FACTS. Pure and simple, no downplaying, no personal stake, REALITY. Your personal anecdote does not matter. Revenue is projected to be up by $900 million. Your Superbowl party does not matter, nor do your t-shirts.
That’s not a personal attack when you are acting like a Bahgdad Bob and you ARE.
You’re one-size-fits-all narrative for what is wrong with the NFL is simply NOT true and I explained why from my long-time fandom experience with Kansas City but you ignore all that and the damage it has done, like you have something at stake with the NFL. I even agreed with some of your take but I pointed out that it’s not the only thing that is hurting sports across the grid.
The reason I suspected you as a Bahgad Bob is because any good conservative would understand the left’s attack on the middle class over the last 30 to 50 years and that has had its effect as well but you ignore it and continue with damage control.
So when it appears all you are doing here is damage control for the NFL, the Bahgdad Bob name fits.
CGato
Wow...really touchy!
“Don’t matter?” Really.
“Don’t believe your lying eyes! Verizon is doubling what they spend with the NFL!”
Well, dude, there is an old saying, “Perception is reality.” I’m off pro-football. Most of my friends are off pro-football. I guess we are just people who “don’t matter.”
Everything eventually dies. The NFL has the tell tale of a dying notion.
But hey, go team huh?
What team? Do you know the players? Are they from your home town? Do they have loyalty? Are they people you respect? Are they actually good at what they do? Is there any honor or dignity left in what they do? Are their bodies not full of chemicals that they’ve stuck in their arms with syringes?
Gay, lame, waste of time.
But hey, go team man...
Great, I’ll pass on the $600 fee. You’re welcome to share summaries w/ me here, but don’t waste your time on me.
That said, revenues and audience are separate issues entirely. A business can increase revenues while losing clients, which can be the only conclusion as to what you’re saying.
I liked the LA Rams up until the move to Anaheim.
After that, I lost interest. A couple of decades later, loss of interest turned into abject hatred.
The plural of anecdote is not fact. Thus anecdotes about your t-shirt shop and Superbowl party, which could have many many explanations, do not matter. The facts are on the table. Revenue went up a billion dollars last year and looks to be going up a good chunk again this year, they’re already guaranteed a $250 million bump next year thanks to the new Verizon deal.
Perception is reality, but first you must perceive.
What $600 fee?
When revenue goes up a billion dollars in one year you’re not losing clients. At least not in the final math. Sure they’re losing some people, but they’re being replaced. Like LA, I remember back in the 90s they talked about how a million people a year moved out of LA, and yet the population kept going up. The fact of the matter is the NFL (and the entertainment landscape as a whole) is a complex business. TV is losing audience, but that doesn’t mean individual items are losing audience. The NFL has multiple streaming contracts and all the networks have some form of streaming. Then you’ve got all the merch and the international market. It’s very easy for the TV ratings to drop and still get a net gain on audience and revenue. TV ratings have been a postdated measurement for over a decade, adding streaming into the modern just makes them even more postdated.
The source you posted requires a subscription for anything but a summary of major league sports total revenues, and that listed is for 2015 not last or this year. So you still need to back up your claim of rising revenues for the current year.
The only item of interest your source shows outside the pay wall is that in 2015 “regular season ticketing” was 16.45% of revenue (”gate receipts,” so doesn’t include stadium concessions and other sales that are impacted by attendance). I think we can all agree that those numbers were not going up over past two years and will decline even further next year as season ticket holders don’t renew and teams lower prices to try to incentivize sales.
The poll does not even offer the most obvious answer as one of its choices. Most who boycott are not doing so “to support Donald Trump.” They boycott because they find the kneeling disrespectful to our country/flag/military. They may AGREE with what Trump said, but their objection to the kneelers predates his comments. The 46% who refuse to watch the NFL “for another reason” likely takes in some of this group. Intentionally flawed, therefore fake, poll.
Well that is weird, I swear yesterday I clicked on that site multiple times on multiple machines and never got that subscription thing. Maybe they decided it was popular and “moved” it. Anyway the meat of it is a chart showing NFL revenues from 2005 through 2016, it was 6.16 billion in 2005, climbing constantly to 12.16 billion in 2015 (last year with no boycott) and then hitting 13.16 in 2016. Here’s a more meat and potatoes story on last year’s revenue (including that the profit was 7.8 billion, over 50% profit makes for a lot of wiggle room):
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/packers-disclosure-shows-nfl-teams-split-a-record-7-8b-in-national-revenue-in-2016/
Ticket revenue probably did go up over the last two years, prices go up, that’s life. We’ll see when season ticket sales hit, but I doubt anybody is lowering prices. One of the nice parts about being in big cities with large extended metro areas is even if you lose some folks there’s always somebody else. They only need about 70,000 people, not that tough in areas with multiple millions.
Whether or not you boycott is a very personal decision.
I have made mine—the boycott is on until Goodell and his leftist cronies are gone!
Fair enough. But it is CERTAIN that ticket prices will drop. Simple supply and demand. Not a small deal.
No it isn’t. The only things we know about the ticket prices right now are what they’re pulling on the secondary market, and even that is incomplete because nobody bothered to look up the secondary market for teams with comparable records from previous seasons. Right now the season ticket picture is all conjecture, but if you look at the wait list data:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_season_ticket_waiting_lists
you can see there’s a good chunk of teams that shouldn’t be having a problem.
App State had a higher attendance than the LA Chargers
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