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Russia's Devious New Battlefield Tactic: Use Tanks as Decoys to Kill Enemy Artillery
http://nationalinterest.org/ ^ | 3/17/18 | Michael Peck

Posted on 03/17/2018 4:41:28 PM PDT by BBell

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This alone is enough of a reason to go to war!

Seriously, whats with all the rporting on every thing that goes on with the Russians. This is stuff straight out of the cold war, like Russian spy ships and planes, and really is not worth reporting unless someone has an agenda to keep the Russians on our minds as the biggest boogie man of them all. The ChiComs are more threatening.

I guess since those wily Russians are always up to something they must be preparing for war.sarc

1 posted on 03/17/2018 4:41:28 PM PDT by BBell
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To: BBell

To be realistic Ivan is probably more worried about China and Iran than us.


2 posted on 03/17/2018 4:44:12 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (All I know is what I read in the papers.)
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To: BBell

the neocons have to keep us scared and fearful

hence these silly articles


3 posted on 03/17/2018 4:46:41 PM PDT by vooch (America First Drain the Swamp)
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To: BBell

LOL. Because almost all our artillery isn’t self propelled. Shoot and scoot is standard.


4 posted on 03/17/2018 4:48:30 PM PDT by Kozak (DIVERSITY+PROXIMITY=CONFLICT)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

The Chinese have been eyeing Siberia for decades and the Russians know it. Lots of resources there that could truly make China an independent country. Much like the Japanese lashed out before and during WWII because of their lack of raw materials, the Chinese are feeling the same.


5 posted on 03/17/2018 4:53:15 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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6 posted on 03/17/2018 4:56:06 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Demographics destroys cultures more completely than thermonuclear war.)
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You have to wonder what the tank crews think of their new role.


7 posted on 03/17/2018 4:58:05 PM PDT by teacherwoes (Indoctrination is often done under the shadow of a gun)
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As soon as the enemy fires in retaliation, Orlan drones pinpoint the enemy's location and transmit it to the tanks and allied artillery.

Air superiority. No drones, no problem.

8 posted on 03/17/2018 4:58:19 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Kozak

US counter battery fire is not just generations ahead of anyone else, but it is insanely deadly. It uses any number of *correlated* intelligence gathering from satellite on down to ground, and within seconds can target every *possible* target on the entire battlefield.

Their biggest potential problem is running out of shells.


9 posted on 03/17/2018 4:59:56 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Liberals have become moralistic, dogmatic, sententious, self-righteous, pinch-faced prudes.)
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To: BBell

Fake news.

Tanks are easily destroyed. There are no General Patton battles anymore. It took half an hour to destroy all Iraqi tanks.


10 posted on 03/17/2018 5:00:42 PM PDT by TheNext
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To: Uncle Miltie

Haha I’m taking that...:)


11 posted on 03/17/2018 5:01:15 PM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: teacherwoes
The Russians have remote controlled tanks. They are always thinking. They MUST be preparing to go to war with us.sarc
12 posted on 03/17/2018 5:01:37 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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The US has used the shoot and scoot method using self propelled artillery for decades. Radar controlled counter battery fire was used quite well in the 60’s. Ivan needs to get with the program.


13 posted on 03/17/2018 5:02:50 PM PDT by redcatcherb412
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This is fairly standard coverage. NI has hired writers who do equipment and tactical comparisons all the time. Russia isn’t the main adversary, but it is an adversary. It covets, at the very least, the territory of the former Warsaw Pact, in addition to that of the former Soviet Union. It would be nice if Trump could convert Putin into an ally, but the odds are small unless he’s willing to hand over all the territory the Russians want. Upon which the question would be what the next Russian demand would be.

The Chinese are the main event, but we can have more than one adversary at a time. It would be nice to have the Russians on our side against the Chinese, but just as the West was unable to get Italy on its side against Germany prior to WWII, it’s possible, and I’d say likely, that Russia will be China’s version of Germany’s Italian or Japanese ally in the next war to come. A more ancient analogue would be to Russia’s role as a Mongol vassal many centuries ago - with Russian armies acting as the Mongol Empire’s auxiliaries. (The knowledge the Russians acquired of Mongol equipment, strategy and tactics was used later to rid themselves of the Mongol yoke).


14 posted on 03/17/2018 5:03:31 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

We had Marines doing time in Japanese jails. The Marines there all spoke perfect Japanese. Weird trick to learn it.


15 posted on 03/17/2018 5:03:50 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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What? Don’t the Russians have self-propelled arty? Using yanks in an SP role is wasting the tank asset and using it as an inferior artilley system. Wasteful and stupid — unless you have no SP artillery worth the name.


16 posted on 03/17/2018 5:04:15 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: redcatcherb412

This is all neocon scare tactics. I’m convinced someone wants something to start between us and the Russians.


17 posted on 03/17/2018 5:05:43 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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Tanks are easily destroyed. There are no General Patton battles anymore. It took half an hour to destroy all Iraqi tanks.

Over half with A-10 Warthogs. Yet the @$$#0l3$ in the DOD keep wanting to retire them because they're not "sexy" enough.

18 posted on 03/17/2018 5:11:26 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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There is a sharp contrast to how Russia fights in Syria and how we would hypothetically fight the same land war. There is no comparison. Even from the time the last American combat forces fought in Iraq, the Army and Marines vastly improved land warfare technology and techniques and counter battery with the USAF ruling the air.

Libtards and their scary Russian paranoia is pure bunk. There are those who want nothing more than a protracted war with Russia. Those people are insane.

19 posted on 03/17/2018 5:20:17 PM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: BBell

“” “” Russia has unveiled a devious new battlefield tactic: use tanks as decoys in order to hunt down enemy artillery batteries.

It’s a bait-and-switch con job that relies on relies on Russian tanks, drones, artillery—and an opponent that is just a tad gullible.”” “”

That’s one strange take on this.

The point of exercise is that the rebels in East Ukraine got to use some cheap drones for artillery correction in their civil war. Normally indirect artillery fire is super inaccurate requiring hundreds of rounds to hit a specific target. Their tactics of using drones to adjust targeting real-time allowed to increase accuracy like ten-fold.

For obvious reasons tanks aren’t usually used for indirect fire because their ammo load is not sufficient to hit a target this way.

Actually borrowing the rebel tactic the Russians are overcoming a mentioned above limitation significantly increasing combat effectiveness of a tank. Combining with a counter-battery radar it also allows to employ tanks for counter-battery tasks which is novel too.


20 posted on 03/17/2018 5:23:40 PM PDT by NorseViking
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