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What If We Had Carpet Bombed Japanese Cities After Pearl Harbor?

Posted on 04/20/2018 9:55:26 AM PDT by ExpatCanuck

Just wondering if that would have put a halt to the Japanese aggression and given them a sense of what they were up against and what we were willing to do. Could it have saved thousands of American lives in the South Pacific? As an alternative history buff I’m curious about the opinions here.


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: b29; doolittle; doolittleraid; japan; pearlharbor; wwii
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To: ExpatCanuck
That was the plan to end the war in '45-'46, after VE day. The Brits were going to send us Lancasters and we would have brought all our own bomber forces and fire-bombed every Japanese city bigger than a village. Only then the invasion. (source: The Second World Wars, Victor Davis Hanson, p 119). Try to imagine how horrific that would have been. The atomic bombs were a more civilized alternative, which beggars belief, but they were. The March 9-10 night Tokyo was firebombed constituted the single deadliest 24-hour period in the history of warfare. By the war's end we had fire-bombed 66 Japanese cities.
61 posted on 04/20/2018 10:23:16 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Yo-Yo

Exactly. And it is one of the reasons we have kept a large standing military since then (mostly).


62 posted on 04/20/2018 10:24:31 AM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: Cobra64

I posted this to solicit thoughtful responses and opinions from those who are equally curious about history as I am. And I am happy to say I’ve received many of them that have enlightened and informed me. Thank you for your own thoughtful response and opinion that my question was... wait... ‘stupid’ I think you called it. Yes, that’s what you called it. Thanks for your input. :-)


63 posted on 04/20/2018 10:25:34 AM PDT by ExpatCanuck
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To: ExpatCanuck

We did not have any bombers that were big enough and had the flying range required to do something like that. Also, we did not have a location where a long range bomber could reach Japan.

It was not until we took Okinawa and developed the B-29 could we effectively bomb Japan and then we burned down Tokyo.


64 posted on 04/20/2018 10:26:14 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: ExpatCanuck; dfwgator

We weren’t in any position to be able to do that immediately after Pearl Harbor.

The Doolittle Raid, however, showed that we WOULD do it and it slapped them in the face as to what was coming.

Would they have acted any differently? No, I don’t believe they would have.

My uncles fought those people across the islands in the Pacific; they would not surrender. They died instead.

Tokyo and other cities were firebombed, and they didn’t quit.

It took atomic weapons and the threat of complete extinction to bring them to their senses, and STILL some wanted to go to the bitter end.


65 posted on 04/20/2018 10:27:01 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Blue House Sue

Little Tommy Tucker, from Ft. Wayne, Indiana, asks: what if Napolean had a fully loaded B52 with nuclear warheads at the battle of waterloo?

Old Saturday night live skit.


66 posted on 04/20/2018 10:30:31 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: Snickering Hound

No, a B-17 wouldn’t even come close. Thats so far off it’s ridiculous. A B-17 at slow speed distance cruise had a max target range of 1000 miles with a 6000lb bomb load, at very low speed. About 800 miles round trip with a full load.

The very southern tip of Japan is 1200 miles one way. Tokyo is 1900 miles one way. And no escort fighters. The 35 B-17s at Clark could have barely bombed Formosa and that’s it. Or.. they could have made a one way suicide mission with a small load.

To put it in perspective, a B-17s -ferry range- was 2624 miles with no bombs at all. A ferry flight to Tokyo would have been a very dangerous undertaking with minimal reserve. Factor in no weather information, navigation overwater in it’s infancy, no SAR force at all.

Not possible.


67 posted on 04/20/2018 10:31:42 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: Nifster

A gentle correction. We dropped two ATOMIC bombs on Japan, not nuclear. Not only is there a difference in the type of reaction, but nuclear releases a lot more energy and is much more powerful. This is a common error of our times, leading to the false claim that the US is the only nation to drop nuclear bombs on another country. The US never did. No entity on earth has done so.


68 posted on 04/20/2018 10:32:07 AM PDT by Avalon Memories ( Proud Deplorable. Proud born-in-the-USA American Dreamer.)
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To: Skooz; ExpatCanuck
What If We Had Carpet Bombed Japanese Cities After Pearl Harbor?
Impossible.

We had neither the aircraft nor airfields close enough.

When asked by a reporter what to do about U-boat sinkings during World War I, Will Rogers is said to have responded: "Boil the ocean". "But how would you do that?" the reporter continued. Without a beat Rogers replied, "I'm just the idea man here. Get someone else to work out the details."

69 posted on 04/20/2018 10:32:33 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Presses can be 'associated,' or presses can be independent. Demand independent presses.)
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To: dfwgator

We didn’t carpet bomb Hanoi.

Or Haiphong.

Granted I was just a youngster at the time, but that really baffled me why we weren’t flattening the Communist cities.


70 posted on 04/20/2018 10:33:12 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: ExpatCanuck

We got around to it eventually. Curtis LeMay devised raids which killed hundreds of thousands of the enemy population.


71 posted on 04/20/2018 10:34:45 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: robroys woman

B-36 was an amazing aircraft.


72 posted on 04/20/2018 10:35:02 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: WKUHilltopper

Have you ever had a coconut dropped on your head from a tremendous height? It can have a serious inhibiting affect on your aggressions. ;-)


73 posted on 04/20/2018 10:37:13 AM PDT by ExpatCanuck
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To: DesertRhino

B36 was never used in war.
But it convinced the Russians that it was dangerous


74 posted on 04/20/2018 10:37:35 AM PDT by southland ( I have faith in the creator Republicans freed the slaves. Heb 13:2 Deplorable...Trump 45)
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To: DesertRhino

I used to live by Larson AFB as a Kid. I remember those things going over at high altitude. They looked like little silver plus signs in the sky.


75 posted on 04/20/2018 10:41:35 AM PDT by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm using my wife's account.)
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To: ExpatCanuck

That is a question which borders on the ridiculous. We had NO MEANS of bombing Japan. We had no bases close enough for even the B-17, we had no significant trained military, we had no B-29s, we did not have the munitions. It was months later that Jiamie Doolittle led some B-17s against Tokyo in a penny-ante raid which was done for the benefit of American people.

I could go on and on about this question and why it is nonsensical but recommend you read a history of the Pacific campaign to see just what had to be done, just why it was necessary to expend all those lives.


76 posted on 04/20/2018 10:44:40 AM PDT by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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To: robroys woman

I flew the 36 and it was effective and intimidating.
It was rather slow but gave us time to get the B52 which is still very effective and will be for many more years.


77 posted on 04/20/2018 10:45:45 AM PDT by southland ( I have faith in the creator Republicans freed the slaves. Heb 13:2 Deplorable...Trump 45)
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To: ExpatCanuck
Never forgot Unit 731. If we would have had the ability to carpet bomb them from the beginning, perhaps they would have accelerated their biological warfare plans and unleashed their own hell on the world.
78 posted on 04/20/2018 10:46:30 AM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: ExpatCanuck

Unfortunately, it was a few years before we had B52s. The miraculous Doolittle raid put Japan on notice that we were coming after them.


79 posted on 04/20/2018 10:47:14 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: DesertRhino

With what? From where?

ya this , read some History


80 posted on 04/20/2018 10:47:17 AM PDT by butlerweave
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