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Former commander of USS John S McCain pleads guilty, retires after deadly collision
http://www.foxnews.com/ ^ | 5/27/18 | Bradford Betz

Posted on 05/27/2018 10:36:52 AM PDT by BBell

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I wish politicians and CEOs were held to the same standard.
1 posted on 05/27/2018 10:36:52 AM PDT by BBell
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Unfortunately, the Navy doesn’t give commanders quality people. They give them AA hires who have more liberal training than technical training.


2 posted on 05/27/2018 10:38:55 AM PDT by CodeToad
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A Letter of Reprimand? I think I got one of those for failing a room inspection.


3 posted on 05/27/2018 10:41:09 AM PDT by gundog (Hail to the Chief, bitcwhes.)
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Does he keep his pension?


4 posted on 05/27/2018 10:44:45 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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Does he keep his pension?


5 posted on 05/27/2018 10:45:25 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: CodeToad

Unfortunately, the Navy doesn’t give commanders quality people.

The Navy also no longer provides ship handling classes for prospective skippers; it OJT or nothing.


6 posted on 05/27/2018 10:46:25 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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The Captain is responsible for the training of his crew and for their performance of duty. Whatever shortcomings may have been present from Big Navy, the Fleet, etc. the Captain remains on the blame line. When a ship is underway and comes in contact with the bottom, the shore, or other ships, the Captain is going to be held accountable. Persons not willing to take on this responsibility should go into politics.


7 posted on 05/27/2018 10:46:26 AM PDT by centurion316 (Back from exile from 4/2016 until 4/2018.)
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An 18 year old navigating????!


8 posted on 05/27/2018 10:49:04 AM PDT by petitfour (APPEAL TO HEAVEN)
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The bum should have had his pension yanked. Many dead because of his bad judgment.


9 posted on 05/27/2018 10:58:45 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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So an 18 year old was at the Helm... WHO was the Officer of the Deck (OOD) giving the young person orders????


10 posted on 05/27/2018 10:59:57 AM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals crazy!)
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To: petitfour

Steering; I think.


11 posted on 05/27/2018 11:06:10 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (.)
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I suspect not.

This was likely a “plea deal” to resign to avoid spending what’s left of his good years in prison.


12 posted on 05/27/2018 11:21:56 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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The OOD of USS Fitzgerald pled guilty at her court martial, I don’t know what happened to the McCain’s OOD.


13 posted on 05/27/2018 11:27:00 AM PDT by centurion316 (Back from exile from 4/2016 until 4/2018.)
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I don’t think bringing the helmsman into this serves any useful purpose. He doesn’t maneuver on his own authority and has no real idea of what the proximity of the various contacts is - that’s the OOD’s job. He steers when and where he’s told, and not otherwise.


14 posted on 05/27/2018 11:27:01 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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"...helmsman had been navigating..."

I though I learned that the helmsman just took steering direction from the OOD and navigation team downstairs.

15 posted on 05/27/2018 11:29:29 AM PDT by Paladin2
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Did the helmsman steer where told? Or did the helmsman make a mistake? I can’t remember which of the ships was going really fast. Was it this one? Regardless, it was a disaster that should never have happened.


16 posted on 05/27/2018 11:29:53 AM PDT by petitfour (APPEAL TO HEAVEN)
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Did the helmsman steer where told?

No clue - that's not testimony they've released. My impression of what they have released is that the bridge team froze, but that's on such little data that I probably shouldn't even speculate in that direction.

17 posted on 05/27/2018 11:32:44 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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I suspect not.

Never having run afoul of the UCMJ I could be wrong here but if this piece was accurately researched and written I'd bet that he did.First,it wasn't a General Court Martial,second:he was only fined $6000 which for an O-5 with 20 years in is certainly no more than a month's pay.,and probably less

IIRC there's at least one former JAG officer who sometimes responds to court martial threads...maybe he/she will weigh in on this.

18 posted on 05/27/2018 11:34:08 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (You Say "White Privilege"...I Say "Protestant Work Ethic")
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To: Billthedrill

https://news.usni.org/2018/05/25/former-co-uss-john-s-mccain-pleads-guilty-negligence-collision-case

Better information.


19 posted on 05/27/2018 11:43:10 AM PDT by petitfour (APPEAL TO HEAVEN)
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Nice that you were not forced to retire, and pay a $6,000 dollar fine.


The Captain is responsible for what happens on his ship.

Most people take these command jobs because someone has to do them. That sort of duty comes with the career. Someone has to be in command. A few Captains and Commanders desire the job, but very large numbers take it and do it because someone has to, and the vast majority do it pretty well.


20 posted on 05/27/2018 11:45:39 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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