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Researchers Find Rapid Way to Make Carbon Dioxide-Storing Mineral Magnesite
Sci-News.com ^ | Aug 16, 2018 | News Staff / Source

Posted on 08/19/2018 7:42:33 AM PDT by ETL

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To: butlerweave
I think Algore should take it to Mars for testing

Algore would have to file for bankruptcy if this can drop atmospheric CO2 to permissible levels.

21 posted on 08/19/2018 8:11:34 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: ETL

Oh sure but will it alter cyclical global wind patterns and solar activity? Nyet.
Remember that volcanic explosion 2009 in Iceland that sent a huge plume of smoke and ash into Europe shutting down air traffic for a day or two?
Mother Nature the biggest polluter of them all. Oh the doomsday fears of LIEberals.


22 posted on 08/19/2018 8:16:19 AM PDT by tflabo (Varmints)
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To: ETL
One word: magnesite.


23 posted on 08/19/2018 8:19:22 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: ETL

Didn’t Obama ban plastic micro-spheres? They are supposedly the worst thing since white people.


24 posted on 08/19/2018 8:22:33 AM PDT by Jim Pelosi
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To: ETL

This is great, we need this for steel making


25 posted on 08/19/2018 8:24:08 AM PDT by dila813 (Voting for Trump to Punish Trumpets!)
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To: ETL

Mankind cannot and will not destroy the earth. Only the Almighty Creator of it has the power and authority to decide its fate and when. Puny humanity may damage the earth in certain spots but to destroy it? Fahgedaboudit!


26 posted on 08/19/2018 8:27:44 AM PDT by tflabo (Varmints)
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To: AndyJackson

I looked also for the source. I saw that it is usually naturally formed from one of the olivine family of minerals.


27 posted on 08/19/2018 8:33:21 AM PDT by Elderberry
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Image result for al gore upset

"Now, hold on a minute! I have a yacht and a mansion to pay for."

28 posted on 08/19/2018 8:33:28 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: rktman
No, the Carbon cost of providing the free Mg, or Mg++ ions to absorb Carbondioxide will exceed the carbon that can be sequestered from the Carbon.

One principal that holds in physics [and physical chemistry] is that there is no free lunch, but the environwhackos keep looking for a free lunch.

I don't have specific knowledge on the mechanisms for this proposed method of sequestration (because the paper lacks such specifics), but it is not my responsibility to disprove their scheme. As the proponents of this scheme the authors have the responsibility to examine these issue of practicality.

29 posted on 08/19/2018 8:36:35 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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Magnesium is the eighth-most-abundant element in the Earth’s crust by mass and tied in seventh place with iron in molarity.[6] It is found in large deposits of magnesite, dolomite, and other minerals, and in mineral waters, where magnesium ion is soluble.

Although magnesium is found in more than 60 minerals, only dolomite, magnesite, brucite, carnallite, talc, and olivine are of commercial importance.

The Mg2+
cation is the second-most-abundant cation in seawater, which makes seawater and sea salt attractive commercial sources for Mg. To extract the magnesium, calcium hydroxide is added to seawater to form magnesium hydroxide precipitate.

MgCl
2 + Ca(OH)
2 Mg(OH)
2 + CaCl
2

Magnesium hydroxide (brucite) is insoluble in water and can be filtered out and reacted with hydrochloric acid to produced concentrated magnesium chloride.

Mg(OH)
2 + 2 HCl MgCl
2 + 2 H
2O

From magnesium chloride, electrolysis produces magnesium.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium#Occurrence


30 posted on 08/19/2018 8:42:04 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: PeterPrinciple
Because co2 levels are so low, the energy intensive energy method is the most common method. When co2 levels are higher, the lower energy method kicks in.

One suspects that one of the key reasons that atmospheric CO2 is so low (~400 ppm) is that our green photosynthetic friends have adapted as survival strategies to be aggressive CO2 vacuum cleaners, competing for the minor, but essential for photosynthesis atmospheric gas.

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31 posted on 08/19/2018 8:46:50 AM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in-never, never,never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. Winston Churchill)
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To: rktman

I know some will regard what you say as ‘tin foil hat’ nonsense, but given the objectives of Agenda 21 (or 2030 now I guess), depopulation is near the top of the list.

I guess wars and famine and abortion and GMOing the food supply and poisoning the water supplies might not get the job done in time to suit the elites. Getting rid of 5 or 6 billion people ain’t easy ya know!


32 posted on 08/19/2018 8:46:52 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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Intentionally altering atmospheric composition....what could go wrong?


33 posted on 08/19/2018 8:50:41 AM PDT by TnTnTn
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To: TnTnTn

And we think we can bring the cost to under 100 quadrillion dollars and we are asking for the taxing authority...

DK


34 posted on 08/19/2018 8:55:31 AM PDT by Dark Knight
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Magnesite

Occurrence

Magnesite occurs as veins in and an alteration product of ultramafic rocks, serpentinite and other magnesium rich rock types in both contact and regional metamorphic terrains. These magnesites are often cryptocrystalline and contain silica in the form of opal or chert.

Magnesite is also present within the regolith above ultramafic rocks as a secondary carbonate within soil and subsoil, where it is deposited as a consequence of dissolution of magnesium-bearing minerals by carbon dioxide in groundwaters.
Formation

Magnesite can be formed via talc carbonate metasomatism of peridotite and other ultramafic rocks. Magnesite is formed via carbonation of olivine in the presence of water and carbon dioxide at elevated temperatures and high pressures typical of the greenschist facies.

Magnesite can also be formed via the carbonation of magnesium serpentine (lizardite) via the following reaction:

2 Mg3Si2O5(OH)4 + 3 CO2; Mg3Si4O10(OH)2 + 3 MgCO3 + 3 H2O.

However, when performing this reaction in the laboratory, the trihydrated form of magnesium carbonate (nesquehonite) will form at room temperature.[6] This very observation led to the postulation of a “dehydration barrier” being involved in the low-temperature formation of anhydrous magnesium carbonate.[7] Laboratory experiments with formamide, a liquid resembling water, have shown how no such dehydration barrier can be involved. The fundamental difficulty to nucleate anhydrous magnesium carbonate remains when using this non-aqueous solution. Not cation dehydration, but rather the spatial configuration of carbonate anions creates the barrier in the low-temperature nucleation of magnesite.[8]

Magnesite has been found in modern sediments, caves and soils. Its low-temperature (around 40 °C [104 °F]) formation is known to require alternations between precipitation and dissolution intervals.[9][10]
Magnesite in a natural form (from Lubeník in Slovakia)

Magnesite was detected in meteorite ALH84001 and on planet Mars itself. Magnesite was identified on Mars using infra-red spectroscopy from satellite orbit.[11] Controversy still exists over the temperature of formation of this magnesite. Low-temperature formation has been suggested for the magnesite from the Mars derived ALH84001 meteorite.[12][13] The low-temperature formation of magnesite might well be of significance toward large-scale carbon sequestration.[14]

Magnesium-rich olivine (forsterite) favors production of magnesite from peridotite. Iron-rich olivine (fayalite) favors production of magnetite-magnesite-silica compositions.

Magnesite can also be formed by way of metasomatism in skarn deposits, in dolomitic limestones, associated with wollastonite, periclase, and talc.

Uses:
Dyed and polished magnesite beads
Magnesite of Salem

Similar to the production of lime, magnesite can be burned in the presence of charcoal to produce MgO, which, in the form of a mineral, is known as periclase. Large quantities of magnesite are burnt to make magnesium oxide: an important refractory material used as a lining in blast furnaces, kilns and incinerators. Calcination temperatures determine the reactivity of resulting oxide products and the classifications of light burnt and dead burnt refer to the surface area and resulting reactivity of the product, typically as determined by an industry metric of the iodine number.

‘Light burnt’ product generally refers to calcination commencing at 450 °C and proceeding to an upper limit of 900 °C - which results in good surface area and reactivity. Above 900 °C, the material loses its reactive crystalline structure and reverts to the chemically inert ‘dead-burnt’ product- which is preferred for use in refractory materials such as furnace linings.

Magnesite can also be used as a binder in flooring material (magnesite screed).[15] Furthermore, it is being used as a catalyst and filler in the production of synthetic rubber and in the preparation of magnesium chemicals and fertilizers.

In fire assay, magnesite cupels can be used for cupellation as the magnesite cupel will resist the high temperatures involved.

Magnesite can be cut, drilled, and polished to form beads that are used in jewelry-making. Magnesite beads can be dyed into a broad spectrum of bold colors, including a light blue color that mimics the appearance of turquoise.

Research is proceeding to evaluate the practicality of sequestering the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide in magnesite on a large scale[16].

Occupational safety and health

People can be exposed to magnesite in the workplace by inhaling it, skin contact, and eye contact.

USA

The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has set the legal limit (permissible exposure limit) for magnesite exposure in the workplace as 15 mg/m3 total exposure and 5 mg/m3 respiratory exposure over an 8-hour workday. The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) has set a recommended exposure limit (REL) of 10 mg/m3 total exposure and 5 mg/m3 respiratory exposure over an 8-hour workday.[17]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesite

35 posted on 08/19/2018 9:06:17 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: MichaelCorleone

Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t plants and trees need CO2 to live? And don’t they emit O2 which, by the way, humans and animals need to live?

Shhh! You’re harassing the narrative! (Someone should tell the professor that all plants are CO2 storing machines.)


36 posted on 08/19/2018 9:09:12 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("When they go low, we go spy." - Hillary Clinton campaign slogan)
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To: ETL
So how much magnesite does it take to scrub any significant amount of CO2?
Without even doing any math, I know the answer: A LOT.
Will it be cost effective and meaningful? Not a chance.
The atmosphere is BIG!
Besides, where do they plan to dispose of all the spent magnesite?

37 posted on 08/19/2018 9:19:54 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: ETL

Why are these fools wanting to steal our planet’s plant food?


38 posted on 08/19/2018 9:19:58 AM PDT by House Atreides (BOYCOTT the NFL, its products and players 100% - PERMANENTLY)
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To: AndyJackson
Unaddressed is where you get the Magnesium from to start the process. Well, you refine it from Magnesite or Dolomite or some other Magenesium bearing metal, through processes requiring electricty which comes from burning coal or natural gas.

Forget the burning of coal or other hydrocarbons!

Even if you used wind turbines to generate electricity to produce magnesite - the production of magnesite, itself, probably releases exactly as much CO2 as can later be sequestered in it!

Think: Cat farm where you feed rats to the cats, and the (dead) cats to the rats.

TANSTAAFL!

Regards,

39 posted on 08/19/2018 9:40:57 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: AndyJackson

A project (CarbFix) initiated in Iceland 2007 began experimenting with the injection of CO2 plus water into basalt formations. Basalt has the high magnesium content needed for mineral formation incorporating carbon and oxygen. This information was published at least two years ago.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/iceland-carbon-capture-project-quickly-converts-carbon-dioxide-stone-180959365/


40 posted on 08/19/2018 10:03:08 AM PDT by Ozark Tom
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