Posted on 03/25/2020 10:05:49 AM PDT by Mariner
News from the Great Northwest (aka Minnesota)...
Bethesda Hospital in St Paul is converting to a COVID-19 facility. It was (until six days ago) a long-term care hospital dealing with brain injuries, etc.
It now has 90 beds, 35 of which are ICU capable.
Here’s a link to the story:
I am just wondering if there are other “known unknowns”
Finding the lab that made it and then finding the antidote or vaccine they undoubtedly made for their own people.
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I was contemplating that. The S strain is the parent strain and is not as contagious or as lethal as the L strain. And the Hydroxychloroquine + Zpac seems to “cure” the S strain.
I read somewhere that the S strain is what started all this off in WhuWhu Land. So what if the “vaccine” is recovering from the mild form?
I was at this one last week, so far just 12 confirmed cases in the Hospital location testing site....and thus far not revealing if they're being sent home or not. A week ago we ad none...... I suspect only those having breathing issues are admitted but the first case they monitored closely at home quarantine I understand..... Pittsburgh has renowned medical facilities and hospitals so I think they will also handle this ok when considering the populations size there and surrounding area. Cleveland clinic is over the border and just a couple hours away....also a great hospital system. Actually Pa. sits pretty well overall I think to handle what will come. They're a self sufficient people for the most part and know how to hande themselves in emergencies....that carries over into their work place settings as well.
There was talk early on that elderberry could contribute to cytokine storm. Not sure how "sound" that is.
Thanks for the list “Stay in Place and Stay Safe Order.” Yesterday I went to the bank to pay my property taxes. Our local chief executive said while they are postponing income and business tax payment to July 15th there will be no forgiveness on property tax payments which are due by March 31st, and this with a 10% late fee the first month, if you are even a day or two late. Today I plan to go to the post office to file 2016 taxes so I don’t loose the surplus money I had sent in with the Automatic Extensions. One has 3 years to submit without loosing money you have coming and I have not heard of an extension beyond April 15h for those. My local government is notoriously faulty in keeping records of money sent in, so I plan to send Return Receipt Requested. I also could have mailed my property tax payments, but again I don’t trust my local government, hence the bank trip.
I read the list of Essential Businesses, and didn’t find Post Offices until the final reference to Mailing/Shipping which I guess covers it. I figure going to the PO sooner rather than later is good as the number of infected around here can only grow with time. I also went for more milk and other essentials after the bank. Fortunately I have several coats, scarfs to cover my nose and mouth, and gloves, so after a trip I let them sit for at least 3 days before I use them again.
There is a lot of information out there on elderberry and the cytokine storm.
A lot of differing opinions.
I often bring it up when someone mentions they take elderberry to make them aware of the issue so they can research it. They then can decide for themselves what they believe
I decided to do what someone here said she was doing.
Take it until you might have an issue then stop
So once that tell tale sign of scratchy throat appears I am going to be safe rather sorry and quit taking it.
I am much more cautious on cytokine storm issues since I could have some weird genetic quirk as a healthy family member succumbed to it.
people just have to be aware of issues, do their research, and decide what is best for them
Bringing this over, from main forum....flubros having a field day, in the replies, btw...
Make of it what you will...
Post from an Upstate NY Doctor
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3828858/posts
Let me introduce myself: I am a practicing ER doctor with a Bachelors degree in cell and molecular biology/genetics and a Masters degree in public health in addition to my doctorate.
COVID is not a flu. Not even a little. Here are reasons why:
1. It is a separate species. It is no more like influenza than you are like a hippo. DIFFERENT SPECIES.
2. It is an airborne virus. This means the tiny droplets can stay in the air for a full 2 hours. So if a person coughed in aisle 4 of Target 1.5 hours ago, they may be home now but their covid cloud is still hanging there just waiting for you to walk by and take a breath. Influenza is not an airborne virus. It is droplet spread- meaning someone has to directly crop dust you with their sneeze to get you sick. Covid is much more contagious.
3. Covid is more virulent. Virulence factor is a measure of how catchy something is. For example, the flu is like beer. It takes a bunch to get you drunk. Covid is more like tequila - A little goes a long way. You need to suck up a lot of flu particles to actually catch the flu; with covid, even a few particles is enough to infect you.
4. Covid has a longer incubation than the flu. When you catch the flu, you typically get sick in the next 1-2 days. This is awesome because it means you stay at home while contagious because you feel like a heap of fried garbage. Covid has a blissful 5-9 days of symptom free time during which you are well enough to head to the movies, gym or mar-a-lago while also being contagious enough to infect everyone you encounter.
5. Covid has a longer duration of illness than flu. With covid, you have a 5-9 days of blissful asymptomatic contagiousness. This then turns into about 1 week of cough and overall feeling like hell but still surviving. Week 2 is when things hit the fan and people end up unable to breathe and on a ventilator. Many stay on the vent for up to 15 days. 5 days incubating+7 kinda sick days + 15 days on a ventilator makes for 27 days of virus spreading illness, (assuming your don’t just die of massive asphyxiation and body-wide collapse from overwhelming infection somewhere in that last week).The flu has an average incubation of 1-2 days and sick time of 7 days for a total of 9 infectious days. In the world of deadly viruses, that 18 extra days might as well be a millennia.
6. Covid is more deadly. A LOT more deadly. The flu has about a 0.2% mortality rate, meaning 2 of every thousand people who get sick with flu will die. On the contrary, the death rate from covid is reportedly 2%, so 10 times more deadly than flu. Ten times more death seems like a lot more death to me. Whats more worrisome is that 2% is actually incorrect because it doesn’t kill kids so that skews the average. With covid, age is a major factor in survival. If we don’t include people under 30, the death rate for adults is on average 4.5%. 9 out of every 200 adults that get this will die from it. Do you know 200 adults? Do you think losing 9 of them is no big deal? Since mortality increases with age in covid, the risk gets worse as you get older so if we put 100 grannies in a room with covid, only 85 would make it out alive to make pies and tell great stories of the old days... and that just sucks.
I hope that helps to clarify is why covid is in no way a flu, why you are in no way a hippo, and why staying home is the only way for non-essential people to do their part while I spend my days at work covered in a plastic poncho, sucking air through a stuffy respirator mask, leaving my scrubs in my driveway, showering the covid off at 4am when I get in, and thinking to myself “now do u still think it was just a flu?” as I risk my own life with my face 2 inches from their highly contagious, gasping mouth while I slide the plastic tube down their throat and start up the ventilator.
Wondering how being close to people, in the grocery store, is any different than being close to them at a restaurant, work, park, etc.
Why wouldn’t grocery stores move to curbside only?
Everyone would have to order online, but that seems it would help with social distancing and product availability.
They could say in-store shopping ONLY between hours of 7a - 10a, curbside from 10a - closing.
Just a thought.
Makes sense.
I’ve balked at curbside only because I want to squeeze my own Charmin (produce). However, since I’m not buying much fresh produce, it might be ok. Our grocer currently doesn’t have the service but shouldn’t be too difficult to provide it. It’d sure save on my bad knee.
They’d have to get portable credit card readers. Can those be found these days?
You pay online, when you place your order.
You can even include a tip, if you want...or, leave one in the back of car/trunk, for person putting groceries into car.
(Paper money spreads germs, tho, we’re being told.)
MN DEPT of Health reporting: 398 cases, 51 hospitalized, 34 current, 14003 tested.
4 deaths as well.
Oh BS. No need to ruin the economy, Trump’s reelection chances and our 401K’s to assuage the fears (mostly unfounded) of old people. it’s the sniffles for Christ’s sake.
I’m back from the Post Office to send my certified/return- receipt-requested back tax forms. The past two days went to the bank to pay property taxes, Harris Teeter grocery, and Post Office. Now I can stay inside for a week. Bank employees protected by inch thick plexiglass counter to ceiling, Harris Teeter had new 2 foot square plastic screens set in front of the scale and cash register area, but no barrier between the pack your groceries area and the cashier (need a much wider screen), post office had no screening, no face masks, but one worker had rubber gloves. I mentioned the plastic screen at HT, the worker said PO is doing NOTHING to help us.
Just saw report that President Trump has removed the emergency funding for POST OFFICES from the Emergency Bill he just signed. How does he expect to get the income tax money sent in? I know some can be sent on computer, but some of us, especially elderly are not computer savvy and going to library may not be an option. Of course we are all going to die anyway!
Why would post offices need emergency funding? They are not closing. Their employees are not being laid off.
Lower usage, maybe.
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