Posted on 11/01/2023 6:06:15 PM PDT by RandFan
I thought you weren’t speaking to me anymore?
I changed my mind for this time. I’m an em[ional guy, I wanted to try and respond to you in a rational way this time.
Rand is yet to chime in on Israel aid but he will at some point...
He’ll be against, probably the only one.
How about for every other country?
The keeper statement was back-up confirmation that I will stand up for him. 🙂
The last sentence was to ward off the the adverse affects of saying something that causes bad Karma to raise its ugly head, in hopes that he continues to stay that way. 🙂
You wont change his mind. EE is America First and means it 100%, even to Israel or any other cause worthy or not
You have to respect it
There are a few like this here. Not many, but growing
It wouldn’t surprise me. I think many Jewish people see things happening in our country, and others, that will have them far more worried about other things than Massie.
I was in the USAF when 9/11 happened.
We began the War on Terror. In 2001 there were 1.29 billion Muslims.
Now there are 2 billion.
What is the actual detailed plan?
I know what I want, but it won’t happen.
Homogeneous societies work better. Globalism is a disaster.
The plan is to make everywhere a dump like Brazil.
I’m aware of his votes on the border bill,.
He has his reasons and it was to do with spending and paying for it (I think)
look on his twitter. He usually explains them. His votes on well meaning/sounding bills often get misrepresented.
You cannot be America First and then support huge giveaways to a foreign nation
EE, Massie, Rand, etc. are nothing if not consistent and you have to applaud them for being so.
Lurker is another Freeper who springs to mind here.
It’s a growing list.
The US debt is spiraling out of control. I think this is concentrating minds.
Ukraine aid was popular at first.. But now it’s not.
I can see the same thing happening with Israel.
I’m for holding everyone accountable and you see that as me targeting Jews.
The argument, which stretches back years, was in regards to what I have seen here on FR.
Any group can be targeted for criticism, except Jews.
Any time a Jewish person did something terrible, it’s always “he’s not a real Jew”.
That’s bullshit.
Joe Biden is Irish Catholic, same as Teddy the swimmer, same as me.
I don’t say they’re not really Catholic or Irish.
Point out many of the people involved in Ukraine as Jewish, “you’re a Jew hater”.
It’s cowardice.
I’ve told you before what I think. If I hate all Jews, why would I even bother talking to you? If I was a “Nazi” why would I come here?
It isn’t being anti Semitic to “not care about Israel”.
I’m fine if they destroy Hamas.
I also don’t think the Bible is literal truth.
Many here seem to think God wants the US to fight for Israel.
I don’t.
AIPAC-—American Israel Public Affairs Committee
U.S. Security Assistance to Israel-—Briefing Book
The United States has long defined Israel’s survival and security as important to its own national interests. Israel helps the United States meet its growing security challenges through close cooperation and a range of innovative technologies. Through executive commitment and legislative action, America provides Israel with annual security assistance that helps the Middle East’s only democracy defend itself—by itself—against mounting security threats.
History and Terms
The United States has supported Israel politically since its reestablishment in 1948. But it was not until the late 1960s that it began to regularly provide security assistance to the Jewish state. Since then, America has consistently provided Israel with security assistance to help it stay strong and deter its enemies.
U.S. security assistance to Israel promotes our national security and our economy, and helps our ally defend itself against growing threats.
Security Assistance: By means of its annual foreign aid, U.S. security assistance to Israel is the most tangible manifestation of American support for the Jewish state. Assistance primarily takes the form of funding for Israel to purchase the arms needed to defend itself from its adversaries.
QME: A core element of U.S. policy is to maintain Israel’s qualitative military edge (QME)—the ability to counter and defeat any credible conventional military threat while sustaining minimal damages and casualties. In 2008, Congress wrote America’s longstanding commitment to Israel’s QME into law and required the president to continually assess whether it is being maintained.
Memoranda of Understanding: In 1998, the United States and Israel signed their first 10-year “Memorandum of Agreement on Security Cooperation” to increase security assistance to Israel while phasing out economic aid. Under the agreement, the United States committed to providing Israel $21.3 billion in security assistance. In 2016, America committed to provide $38 billion under a new 10-year Memorandum of Understanding (MOU).
Serving American Interests
U.S. provides security assistance to key allies around the world. Current law ensures this aid can only be used for “internal security, for legitimate self-defense.”
Anchor of Stability: In an increasingly uncertain Middle East, Israel is the one stable democratic ally upon which America can consistently depend. Cooperation between the two countries in intelligence, homeland security, missile defense and counterterrorism has helped the United States meet its growing security challenges. U.S. support for Israel helps deter regional conflict by making clear to potential foes that they cannot defeat the Jewish state.
Israeli Innovation: As a result of the strong friendship between Israel and the United States, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and the U.S. military share technologies and techniques that greatly benefit both nations.
Israel has pioneered cutting-edge technologies in cyber defense, unmanned vehicles, sensors and electronic warfare systems, and advanced defenses for military vehicles. In addition, Israeli battlefield medical technologies have saved countless American lives. The innovative use of U.S. military equipment by the IDF, coupled with shared know-how, has helped the U.S. military improve its own equipment and tactics.
Stockpiles: Established in the 1980s, the War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel program consists of up to $3.4 billion of U.S.-owned and -managed weapons and equipment stored in Israel for use by the U.S. military. The IDF may access these reserves during emergencies, if authorized by the U.S. government.
Crucial to Israel’s Security
Mounting Threats: The ongoing instability gripping the region directly threatens the Jewish state. To its north, Israel faces Hezbollah in Lebanon and a growing Iranian presence in Syria; to its south, Israel faces Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) in Gaza while ISIS-affiliated terrorists roam the Sinai Peninsula; to its west, militant terrorist groups are gaining strength in the West Bank. Israel’s greatest threat remains Iran, which is attempting to surround the Jewish state with terrorist proxies while developing the capability to produce nuclear weapons.
Increasing Costs: To deal with the region’s mounting threats, Israel—a tiny nation the geographic size of New Jersey—has been forced to spend more on defense as a percentage of its GDP than any other nation in the industrialized world. The rising costs of advanced weaponry only compound Israel’s challenges. For example, a single F-35I “Adir” Joint Strike Fighter will cost Israel more than twice that of an F-16I fighter jet purchased under the first U.S.-Israel aid agreement in 1998.
THE WAY FORWARD
As part of its strategic alliance with Israel, the United States has agreed to provide security assistance through 10-year MOUs. Beginning in 2019, the new MOU stipulates an annual sum of $3.3 billion in foreign military funding and $500 million for cooperative missile defense. Congress must now fulfill this commitment by legislating full funding as called for in the MOU. Congress must also work to expand joint innovation, ensure Israel’s QME and consider upgrades to the value of U.S. stockpiles in Israel.
Click here to view a downloadable PDF: https://aipacorg.box.com/s/uawwyq8z73mxoejdgm3ozy66jn7bvygk
I’m glad because this could get ugly for him 😟
Thomas Massie and Rand Paul stand consistently against mob mentality. In that regard they are underdogs deserving of cogitations not attending to their mob-minded detractors.
I disagree. This is the front line on a global war with islamic terrorism that is unstoppble. When, not if, we have street battles in our cities, (thanks to the white suicidal western “diversity is our greatest strength” leaders) 15 billion will be a bargain using Israel’s experience and intelligence with these savages. And the other benefit this bill took money from the IRS.
I wan’t talking about aid, I was talking about support. Massie won’t support Israel at all. I against all foriegn aid, until we get out of the international orgs. Giving Israel 14 billion is nothing comparedto what we would save if we get out of Imternational orgs.
Massie represents Americans. Almost all the others do not. They put others first.
I have always called out left wing Jews rhat are trying to destroy the US here, you can go back and read my posts.icould care less if they support Israel or not, they are traitors. I think most Jews in the US are ignorant, but some are actively trying to destroy my Country. What makes me mad (you did not do this) is people saying that if I support Israel than I’m not a real American. Tknows how hat is evil and disgusting. Anyone one here knows how much I dispise globalism.
Trump too?
If you feel that stongly don’t vote for him. Because, President Trump will ALWAYS stand with Israel.
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