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I need to scream, I need to vent I need to stay away [BARF ALERT - literally]

Posted on 07/06/2002 8:22:51 AM PDT by hapy

from reading these disgusting sites! I am always jumping from site to site just to read about what others are thinking about our politics and the economy etc...

So I pull up a post and start reading replys and there is this little pacman guy who continuously keeps throwing up


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It turns me off. The reply or even the initial post looses its validity with me and I must assume any other adult reader. When you all go to other progressive sites just to see what they are up to, do you get turned off? What makes it weirder for me, are those who use the throw up pacman will always tell you how educated they are and that is why they have their beliefs. It is gross. HOw does one take them seriously in there views when they have these cartoons doing disgusting things?!

okay done with vent

1 posted on 07/06/2002 8:22:51 AM PDT by hapy
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To: hapy
Is this better?
2 posted on 07/06/2002 8:26:25 AM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: hapy
what confuses me most is their obsession with the free republic. I never seen such a group of so called "educated people" so intriged \by what is being said here.

hmmmm maybe they are closet conservatives, to afraid to come out of the closet, but in deep inside they want to be a part of us. That is cool, I guess they could just say under God three times and then they are one of us
3 posted on 07/06/2002 8:28:26 AM PDT by hapy
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To: hapy
When someone types looses instead of loses, their posts lose their validity with me ;^)
4 posted on 07/06/2002 8:28:38 AM PDT by Siouxz
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To: hapy
I need to stay away

Later!


5 posted on 07/06/2002 8:30:38 AM PDT by b4its2late
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To: hapy
All your base are belong to us.
6 posted on 07/06/2002 8:30:44 AM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: Siouxz
thank god for that. I was afraid it would make me one of you

whewwwww
7 posted on 07/06/2002 8:30:56 AM PDT by hapy
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To: Siouxz
Right on!
8 posted on 07/06/2002 8:31:22 AM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: b4its2late
oh what a cute frog! I collect them, how sweet. thanks for cheering me up
9 posted on 07/06/2002 8:32:09 AM PDT by hapy
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To: hapy
But you would missed this wonderful post which TLBSHOW found the other day. It was on a rat site, and I will ping you his thread. Both he and I copied the entire thread and it appears that the 'Rat site it was on, locked the thread down, and let it dissappear into the archives. The brave liberal 'rat who posted it is probably banned from the site. I have not found any new replies or posts from he/she/it since the thread lockdown :

Coulter Is Right - And I Am Reeling"
Posted by khangaskhan on Jul-03-02 at 11:46 PM

I just finished reading Ann Coulter's new book, Slander. As much as it pains me to admit, she is right. Not about our underlying philosophy, but about the way we politick. We Democrats, and particularly we Liberal Democrats, are far too busy name-calling and acting like elite self-righteous snobs, to dirty our hands with the problems of the working class. I do not say this lightly and am reluctant to say it at all for fear that it will end up on some right-wing moron website.

But the charges that Ann Coulter so devastatingly levels at us are true. If the only victims of our attacks were Republicans and the right wingers, then it would not matter. They deserve it. But I believe that we have almost fatally wounded ourselves as a party in the process. We do not debate fairly because we do not understand what we are all about. We substitute canards and slogans for thought.

Let me give you an example. I remember reading about a study of the Head Start program. The study noted that by the fourth grade, there were no significant differences between those students who attended Head Start and those who didn't. The Neanderthals, of course, wanted to discontinue funding for Head Start. And our side. . .the good guys. What was our response? Well, we called them neanderthals. How could they be right? They're neanderthals. They're greedy. They don't like poor children. They're racists.

Do you see our methodology? They rely on a study. They make a logical, cogent point. We simply call them names and rely upon our own reputation for self-righteousness. Then....we wonder why these guys are murdering us on talk radio. They understand just enough of the situation to be dangerous (and wrong). But do we "tell the rest of the story?" No. Do we respond with reason? Do we respond with logic? No. We are far too good for that. What would a liberal talk show host do, call Republicans names for two hours?

We are the "right kind of people", you see, and they aren't. And if you don't believe this, then read Slander. I expected to find a book of right-wing blonde-bimbo-babble. And through the first few pages I was not disappointed. But somewhere around page 10, I began to get an uncomfortable feeling. Coulter wasn't just calling us bad names—she was challenging us to debate. And debate on logical grounds. Read this, from page 10 and 11:

"But ad hominem attack is the liberal's idea of political debate. They self consciously hold themselves outside the argument and make snippy personal comments about anyone who is actually talking about something. The Republican's motives are analyzed, his intelligence critiqued, his personal life unearthed. If it were true that conservatives were racist, sexist, homophobic, fascist, stupid, inflexible, angry, and self-righteous, shouldn't their arguments be easy to deconstruct? Someone who is making a point out of anger, ideology, inflexibility, or resentment would presumably construct a flimsy argument. So why can't the argument itself be dismembered rather that the speaker's personal style or hidden motives? Why the evasions?"

And for the next 230 pages of text and voluminous detailed footnotes, Coulter fires salvo after salvo after salvo of truth and reality broadsides squarely amidships into us. By the end of the book, I was physically nauseated. I am not ashamed to admit that I spent the next few days in a kind of psychic shock. I even began to question whether I still believed in income redistribution, affirmative action, and gun control. The only thing that saved me was when I realized that the answer to Ann Coulter and all the other right wingers wasn't to agree with them or become them, but to simply learn how to HONESTLY DEBATE THEM. And the reason that we haven't been HONESTLY DEBATING THEM, is that we have lost touch with our Democratic roots. Ann Coulter isn't our problem, WE are our problem.

We really, on a personal level, do not know the problems of young black children and because we don't, we rely on a PROGRAM to save them. LET THEM EAT CAKE, we say. And when Marie Antoinette first said that, it wasn't a mean thing—she just didn't understand the problems of the poor. And neither do we Democrats. The point of Head Start, for example, isn't to perpetuate the Head Start program. The purpose is to provide an educational boost to underprivileged children. If the program doesn't work, then we need to change the program. If the other side points out that the program isn't working, then we should thank them. What vested interest do we Democrats have in a program that doesn't work? None.

I have long thought that our Democratic leaders have lost touch with the grass roots. How else do you explain Democratic support for NAFTA, the Bankruptcy Reform Bill, the welfare program reductions, the increased use of the death penalty, tax reductions for the wealthy, and the Democratic failure to pass meaningful living wage legislation and the failure to provide for national health care.

In our impotent rage, we simply, well, rage. But that rage can be better utilized to accomplish some good. I believe that all of us need to read the Coulter book. I think it is almost a rite of passage for us. We need to come to grips with our failures before we can take back the Congress and White House. DON'T BUY THE BOOK, just check it out at the library, or borrow it from somebody. Pick up a copy on the $1.00 shelf at Books-a-Million in few months when the new has worn off. Do not support her, but do please read her. And after you finish, let's you and I roll up our sleeves and go to work. We need to return to our roots.




10 posted on 07/06/2002 8:36:15 AM PDT by parsifal
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To: hapy; aculeus; Orual; general_re; gcruse; SAMWolf; Artist; Fraulein

The Cat Gallery

11 posted on 07/06/2002 8:37:24 AM PDT by dighton
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To: hapy

12 posted on 07/06/2002 8:37:29 AM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: hapy
When you all go to other progressive sites just to see what they are up to, do you get turned off?

Just reading the word "progressive" makes me feel... uh...oh, oh...


13 posted on 07/06/2002 8:37:40 AM PDT by metesky
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To: hapy
what confuses me most is their obsession with the free republic. I never seen such a group of so called "educated people" so intriged \by what is being said here.

hmmmm maybe they are closet conservatives, to afraid to come out of the closet, but in deep inside they want to be a part of us. That is cool, I guess they could just say under God three times and then they are one of us

What confuses me most is people who are unable to express a logical thought, but are compelled to post a vanity thread to let everyone know it.

14 posted on 07/06/2002 8:42:29 AM PDT by jellybean
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To: jellybean
ya me too
;-)

15 posted on 07/06/2002 8:45:26 AM PDT by hapy
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To: dighton; aculeus
I scream, you scream, we all scream for


16 posted on 07/06/2002 8:46:43 AM PDT by Orual
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To: parsifal
i loved the book

I guess you guys would hate it
17 posted on 07/06/2002 8:47:07 AM PDT by hapy
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To: hapy
Could someone bring me the cheese?
18 posted on 07/06/2002 8:49:40 AM PDT by Misterioso
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To: hapy
Masochist=
19 posted on 07/06/2002 8:49:41 AM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: hapy
You're not from around here, are ya?
20 posted on 07/06/2002 8:52:04 AM PDT by jellybean
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To: hapy
It turns me off.

I'm guessing vomit is not your thing. How's this?


21 posted on 07/06/2002 8:53:53 AM PDT by AAABEST
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To: hapy
this little pacman guy who continuously keeps throwing up

A similar feeling is expressed here with a photo of Chelsea.

22 posted on 07/06/2002 8:54:38 AM PDT by Flyer
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To: parsifal
That's fascinating parsi. I particularly liked this quote:

"What vested interest do we Democrats have in a program that doesn't work?"

How many decades have we watched lib/dems continue to bang the drum for perpetual funding of programs that don't work? Furthermore, his Head Start example is such a bad one since this President just approved funding for that program. So why does the lib/dem writer continue to condemn the president for being a "right-wing racist neanderthal" who doesn't care about underprivileged kids? Does he simply not listen to the news or does he just hate W. so much that he refuses to believe it?

23 posted on 07/06/2002 8:57:00 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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"What vested interest do we Democrats have in a program that doesn't work? None."

But that is precisely the problem. The Democratic Party is captive to constituencies that do have vested interests interests in programs that do NOT work.

A failing public still provides jobs and benefits to the teachers and bureaucrats that work in it. Good middle-class and upper-middle class jobs that people will fight in the political arena to keep.

24 posted on 07/06/2002 8:57:15 AM PDT by Montfort
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To: hapy
Cool down!


25 posted on 07/06/2002 8:58:42 AM PDT by socal_parrot
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To: hapy

26 posted on 07/06/2002 9:01:38 AM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: hapy
So that's why no one takes me seriously!
27 posted on 07/06/2002 9:05:01 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: hapy
????? Are you talking about "Slander"???? I thought it was a real good book. Why would you think I would not like it??? parsy the utterly confused.
28 posted on 07/06/2002 9:05:08 AM PDT by parsifal
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To: anniegetyourgun
I do not think many Dem's read the news. That is why the liberal media is taking such a hit from FOX. That is why talkradio is so right wing. Liberals just don't do their homework. If they did, they wouldn't be liberals. parsy.
29 posted on 07/06/2002 9:08:34 AM PDT by parsifal
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To: parsifal
Parsi, I don't think it's YOU who is totally confused.
30 posted on 07/06/2002 9:09:26 AM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: dighton
Thanks for the Cat ping. Bump
31 posted on 07/06/2002 9:37:00 AM PDT by SAMWolf
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To: parsifal
Parsy, I suppose you're right. Reading and acknowledging the truth are probably two very difficult things for lib/dems.
32 posted on 07/06/2002 9:46:21 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: parsifal
I love Ann Coulter's book. She is so right on it! Early in the book she writes "Indeed, an attck on America by fanatical Muslims had finally provided the liberals with a religion they could respect. Heretofore liberals deemed voluntary school prayers at high school football games a direct assault on the Constitution. But it was of urgent importance that Islamic terrorists being held in Guantanamo be free to practice their religion......."

It is true how rediculous these liberal democrats are with their hatred of religion, America and all things patriotic.

If you have not read her book, do it! It is worth the time required to read it.

33 posted on 07/06/2002 10:51:09 AM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: wingnuts'nbolts
I read the book and thought it very good. I am surprised that more Dem's don't read it just for the humor and sarcasm, if nothing else. I just wish I knew if that liberal poster got banned or not. This would make a heck of a good post. You know, "How a Democratic Website Celebrates the Fourth" type of thing. parsy.
34 posted on 07/06/2002 11:03:07 AM PDT by parsifal
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To: hapy
What makes it weirder for me, are those who use the throw up pacman will always tell you how educated they are and that is why they have their beliefs. It is gross. HOw does one take them seriously in there views when they have these cartoons doing disgusting things?!

You'll be happy to know that there is an Ignore User program available here at FR. It was developed for just such situations as you describe. Try it....I think you'll see it solves your problem.

I hope this helps.

35 posted on 07/06/2002 11:47:45 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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To: Focault's Pendulum; hapy
Wow, that was the most exciting link I've ever seen here!
Hapy, you really need to try it!
36 posted on 07/06/2002 12:00:35 PM PDT by katnip
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To: katnip
Wow, that was the most exciting link I've ever seen here!

Thanks. Sometimes special problems require special solutions.

37 posted on 07/06/2002 12:14:22 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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To: Focault's Pendulum
I should have known better...LOL
38 posted on 07/06/2002 12:24:38 PM PDT by jellybean
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To: parsifal
The book is not NO. 1 on the best seller list, so maybe a lot of Dems are reading it. They really should. There could be a lot of converts out there who have the AH HA!
experience when all the words are in the right order. She certainly brings the liberal self lie altogether and RATIONALY and with FACTS lays it out so that it cannot be refuted.
39 posted on 07/06/2002 12:27:56 PM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: wingnuts'nbolts
Correction: the third word NOT is supposed to be NOW. So Sorry!
40 posted on 07/06/2002 12:29:35 PM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: parsifal
WOW, a soul searching Democrat, how refreshing.
41 posted on 07/06/2002 1:12:49 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: HairOfTheDog; OneidaM
That was baaaaad.
Not fair.

Version 2.0 has been released.

42 posted on 07/06/2002 2:58:08 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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To: Focault's Pendulum
Boy! - You can solve a multitude of problems with that thing! It's a cure-all!
43 posted on 07/06/2002 3:05:44 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Focault's Pendulum
Happy to see you are still on the job FP....where would we be without you?
44 posted on 07/06/2002 3:35:17 PM PDT by Neets
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45 posted on 07/06/2002 4:23:39 PM PDT by Sungirl
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To: EggsAckley
Hey J.

I had a litle kitty who did that once. LOL LOL LOL!

46 posted on 07/06/2002 9:40:58 PM PDT by ex-Texan
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To: Great Dane
I got a feeling that is one soul searching Democrat who soul-searched himself plum off that website. If you ever check out the threads over there, you will note that most comments are along the line of "Right On! Dude!". 90% Childish and Immature. Dissent is suppressed. They cater to the unquestioning. parsy.
47 posted on 07/06/2002 9:46:41 PM PDT by parsifal
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To: parsifal
When the Damnocratic poster to whom you referred writes like this, If the only victims of our attacks were Republicans and the right wingers, then it would not matter. They deserve it, why am I not exactly anxious to welcome him without (never mind a grain) a pillar of salt? ;)
48 posted on 07/06/2002 9:57:23 PM PDT by BluesDuke
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He/she/it is obviously a partisan Democrat, but I thought it laudable that they at least read Slander. I copied the entire thread and no one else at that foul place seemed to have any plan to read the book. IMHO, a poor deluded liberal who reads and thinks will one day become a conservative.

As a dedicated freeper, I am just curious whether or not the poster was banned. If so, it could be good to do a post on the Democratic martyr who was apparently booted off the site on the Fourth of July for expressing an opinion. parsy.
49 posted on 07/06/2002 10:15:06 PM PDT by parsifal
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To: parsifal
My guess: If he hasn't been banned now, he will be before long.
50 posted on 07/06/2002 10:21:04 PM PDT by BluesDuke
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