[blam]

Exodus To Arthur, by Mike Baillie is an excellent book.

[blam]

Here is an overview of Exodus To Arthur that I have been looking for quite a while. Enjoy. (Gods, Graves,Glyphs)

[RightWhale]

Comets are supposed to foreshadow cataclysmic events. Maybe for good reason. Not necessarily just more astrology.

[another cricket]

It is a very practical theory. Although they might be erring in looking for a large event when a small one lasting for only three years could do it and five certainly would. Civilization would be able to survive one bad harvest, two would cause some crumbling and three could lead to total collapse. People would flee the starving cities. The survivors would be people with skills in farming, hunting and gathering and artisans with practical skills. The rest would die off quickly.

Scholars, builders, designers of fine art and civic leaders all dead. Bye-Bye Civilization. Hello, “bang your neighbor over the head for his stew pot” time.

a.cricket

[Interesting Times]

I read it when it came out and was also impressed. His work makes it pretty clear that human history is pockmarked with intermittent disasters.

It would be interesting to see somebody do similar analysis using the Greenland ice layers, since they go back 100,000 years as opposed to the 7,000 represented by tree-ring analysis.

[parsifal]

Fascinating post! Didn't Igor Velikovsky say some of this about 50 years ago? parsy.

[Carry_Okie]

Another data point.

[aruanan]

Well, I guess the severe enviromental downturn back in the 6th century proves that there was a large human population producing huge amounts of CO2, driving SUVs, and engaging in conspicuous consumerism with scarcely a thought for the health of their planet! The creeps! We could have had a U.N.and a worldwide society of peace and love millennia ago had it not been for these capitalist pigs!

[The_Reader_David]

Shear idocy. The "Dark Ages" were a purely Western European phenomenon caused by the western provinces of the Empire being detached by an influx of Germanic barbarians (initially pagan, but by the time of the Vandal sack of Rome almost all Arian Christian heretics). Classical learning and high culture continued to fourish in the Roman Empire, which did not fall with the retirement of the last Western Augustus to a villa in Naples in 476, but continued with its capital at Constantinople, eventually dwindling to a city-state and finally falling in 1453. (Though the Romanov house in Russia was by marriage a cadet line of one of the last Imperial houses, and thus claimed the mantle of the 'Third Rome', and Mehmet the Conqueror plainly styled himself as a Muslim Roman Emperor as did some of his successors, so that the Ottman Empire might be argued to have been an Islamized phase of the Empire, which would mean that both the Christian continuation in the North and the Islamic continuation in the old heart-land both fell early in the 20th century, but I digress.)

Literacy was very high in the Empire by the standards of any period prior to the 19th century, and not confined to the clergy, nor even the clergy and nobility. Women were often well-educated (witness Anna Comnena's biography of her father, the Emperor Alexius, replete with learned references to Scripture, classical literature and the scientific theories of the day.) The author of the piece reported plainly buys the anti-Eastern line of Western European historians like Gibbon who want to claim the mantle of (pagan) Rome for their modern Western ideas, and therefore have made up the false name "Byzantine Empire" for the (Christian) continuation of the Roman Empire after Constantine moved its capital to New Rome (Constantinople).

Looking for a global or cosmic catastrophe to explain the "Dark Ages" is a bit like looking for a global or cosmic explanation for the American Civil War (or War of Northern Agression, if you prefer).

[LostTribe]

Hi Blam-

Just reread the article again and find it very credible. Would like to think it fit the Exodus dates, but it just doesn't want to.

Here is a link to an article which discusses in painful detail the two most commonly accepted dates for the EXODUS. While you may not want to study it all, it does a pretty decent job of making those particular date arguments.

-LT

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[Quix]

Fascinating.

Thanks.

[Ciexyz]

btt

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Astronomy & Geophysics
Volume 45 Issue 1 Page 1.23 - February 2004
doi:10.1046/j.1468-4004.2003.45123.x
Volume 45 Issue 1

Comet impact
A comet impact in AD 536?
Emma Rigby1, Melissa Symonds2 and Derek Ward-Thompson2

Emma Rigby, Melissa Symonds and Derek Ward-Thompson review the evidence for the possibility that a comet may have impacted the Earth in historical times, and discuss the size of the putative comet.

Abstract

A global climatic downturn has previously been observed in tree-ring data associated with the years AD 536–545. We review the evidence for the explanation of this event which involves a comet fragment impacting the Earth and exploding in the upper atmosphere. The explosion would create a plume, such as was seen during the impact of comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 with Jupiter. The resulting debris deposited by the plume on to the top of the atmosphere would increase the opacity and lower the temperature. We calculate the size of the comet required, and find that a relatively small fragment of only about half a kilometre in diameter could be consistent with the data. We conclude that plume formation is a by-product of small comet impacts that must be added to the list of significant global hazards posed by near-Earth objects.

Article published online 28 Jan 2004

Affiliations

1Cardiff University, UK (now at Edinburgh University, UK)2Cardiff University

The authors thank Mike Baillie, Mark Bailey, Martin Johnson, Ted Johnson-South and David Williams for interesting and helpful discussions.

To cite this article
Rigby, Emma, Symonds, Melissa & Ward-Thompson, Derek (2004)
A comet impact in AD 536?.
Astronomy & Geophysics 45 (1), 1.23-1.26.
doi: 10.1046/
j.1468-4004.2003.45123.x

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[parsifal]

Great post. I wonder tho if this could have been volcanic?

parsy, who has wide interests

[mj81]

A thread from long ago caught my attention. Perhaps you might find of interest the slide presentations at the following links:

http://www.threeimpacts-twoevents.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/SIMULTANEOUS-IMPACTS-3JAN2013-WEBSITE.pdf

http://www.threeimpacts-twoevents.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/COMET-IMPACT-ANALYSIS-AND-EFFECTS-3JAN2013-WEBSITE.pdf