Posted on 11/30/2005 12:25:59 PM PST by parnasokan
Yet according to Wilson after his discussion with Nigerien officials such a transfer is impossible. He fails to explain how the Pakistanis and the Libyans managed to get nealy 2000 tons of Niger uranium "off the books".
Exactly. That's why Bush took a personal interest in going to Oak Ridge TN last year. The Iraqi nuclear weapon program, which was subcontracted to Libya, was brought back to Oak Ridge. Bush wanted to see it for himself.
My own take on this is that the Republicans actually believe in and practice security, and that for national security reasons, there is a lot about the Iraqi nuclear weapons program that they need to keep secret, until they also nail Iran.
The US is like a detective investigating a conspiracy of murderers (Iraq and Iran). We arrested one guy (Iraq), but we're not about to talk about or display any evidence until we get the other guy (Iran).
"Yet according to Wilson after his discussion with Nigerien officials such a transfer is impossible."
And Wilson believed them?
As I recall, this investigation began with a report of several hundred tons of yellowcake in a warehouse in Benin. If undocumented transfers are impossible, how did it get there?
....That's why Bush took a personal interest in going to Oak Ridge TN last year....
Although a good East Tennessean I screwed up and left out the Oak Ridge connection.
It is of great importance.In the proper place and at the proper time it will be made known.
It'll be like waferin..... rats will die.
That yellowcake was left over from the reactor the Isrealis took out in 1982 and was under UN seal. I've read you need a different grade of the stuff to make a nuclear bomb.
Yes, it was a VERY leftist website. I ran across it looking for general timeline info on Niger itself. But the site referred to individuals I hadn't seen discussed anywhere on FR, so I thought I would mention it to anyone researching this. I have no idea if any info there is useful or not (obvious leftist bias aside).
(1 December 2005)
http://www.repubblica.it/2005/j/sezioni/esteri/nigergate/francia007/francia007.html
Original In Italian
Concepts:
Rocco Martino, Sismi, Cia, Americans, French, uranio, Alain Chouet, Dgse, Paris, nigerino, Italians, foreign country, reports, Niger, country.Summary:
PARIS - the Directorate-General of external Safety (Dgse) is the French counterespionage to the foreign country.
I have communicated and exchanged with the Americans the regarding information this case.
To the age of the facts I directed the Service de rensignement de security, the Department Emergency and Intelligence, that it has competence on anti-terrorism, counterespionage to the foreign country, against-proliferation of the crews of mass destruction ".
The story of Alain Chouet corrects in four essential points the reconstruction of the transaction offered to the Parliament from the government and the Sismi.
Continuous to ask to me because the Sismi supports that behind this history we are.
Substantial correction: the prologo of the "Nigergate" goes in scene in the summer of 2001, before the 11 september, at the hands of the Cia.
The Americans before add that to insospettirli it has been a travel, at least two years, of the ambassador iracheno near the Sede Saint in the Central African countries.
Assignment my men to put itself to the job in Africa.
In Niger, obviously, but also in Namibia (you will understand soon because).
After the attack to the Towers, between the september the 2001 and spring of the successive year, that information on the uranio nigerino returns to be an indistinct and insignificant noise of bottom.
The 21 september 2001, Gianfranco admiral Boats (predecessore of Pollari) sendes a cable to Langley with news of a happened transfer "in the ' 99 of staff iracheno in Niger during which they had been made also questions on the impoverito production of uranio in the two mines of the Country and on the modalities of export of that material".
In the February and March 2002, to Langley two relationships arrive from "a foreign service" others that confirm the track nigerina of the atomic rearmament of Saddam.
They deliver to us, of fact, all the information that after we will only discover - I emphasize, after we will discover - to be contained in the dossier of Rocco Martino and of which, in that moment, we have not still never felt to speak.
According to the Italian reconstruction and American those documents are not still in possession of the Cia, neither never have been in possession of the Sismi.
They have this for a year roba and they say it only now, after that already we have gone two times in Niger ".
However neither then, neither after, the Americans report to us from who have received that one roba.
Office in Lussemburgo with one cover society, the Security Development Organization, Office Intelligence to the 3 of Rue Hoel, Sandweiler.
Rocco Martino, for our Service, works therefore for Chouet.
The Sismi in order to confirm the circumstance has diffused to the press two photo of Rocco Martino to talk, "to Brussels", with a French agent of which the ago name, Jacques Nadal.
The Sismi accusation the French intelligence to have taciuto to the Americans the infondatezza of the dossier nigerino.
Indeed, it marks it the Sismi, the director of the controproliferazione of the ministry of the Foreign countries French, 22 November 2002, in the course of a reunion with civil employees of the Department of State, reports that France is in second possession of information which the Iraq has tried of procurarsi uranio in Niger.
The information, asserts the diplomatic French, has been verified and thought reliable.
Citing the relation of the Committee of control on the intelligence of the USA Senate, the Sismi supports that "only 4 March 2003, France perceives Washington that its information on the uranio are based on the same information in possession of Paris".
First: our ministry of the Foreign countries does not know what ago the Dgse.
It is a praxis that is not only worth for the French services.
According to: we have perceived the Cia in summer 2002.
Third party: fairies attention to the words of the USA relationship.
It does not say that France informs the 4 Americans March 2003.
The relationship says: "4 March 2003 the government American has learned that the French have based their analyses begins them on the uranio nigerino on same documents in possession of Washington".
And then, I would be more cautious to say that our ministry of the Foreign countries has supported that France had tests of an attempt of traffic of uranio.
In mine two years of commando to the Dgse it is capitato to me to meet George Tenet, then the director of the Cia.
I have participated to reunions between Paris and Washington.
According to the story of Alain Chouet, the French do not have null to that to make with Rocco Martino (the Sismi have sure to that to make with Rocco Martino).
No movement of Rocco Martino escapes to the Sismi when, in the summer of 2002, the vendifumo it meets for before turns the French agent (is not true, therefore, than the Sismi it knows who is Rocco Martino only in the summer of 2003).
They are the French, which the Cia it asks lumi in order to verify news had from the Italians, to refute them (and they are not therefore the Italians to refute to the Cia the news in possession of the French).
The Cia is in possession at least part goddesses documents of Rocco Martino puttinges with from one source del Sismi (the "Mrs." nell' embassy nigerina of Rome), controlled from colonel del Sismi (Antonio Nucera), already nel July del 2002.
The testimony of Alain Chouet scombussola the artificial version offered from the government to the inconcludente and submitted Committee of control parliamentarian and to the prosecuting attorney of Rome.
Right, that would be yellowcake in Iraq. I was referring to yellowcake that was reported to be in a warehouse in Benin, in Africa.
I need to make a correction. According to the Senate Intelligence Committee report, the Benin yellowcake story didn't surface until November, 2002, after Wilson's trip.
This is an interesting article, although I don't agree with its slant. It indicates that someone at the Niger Embassy passed the file, containing both legit and forged documents, over to SISMI. Rocco Martino has said that an Embassy employee passed the documents on to him, as well. Martino later sold them to the French. So we appear to have one or more industrious Embassy employees. Maybe the break-in was faked, to cover up what someone in the Embassy was doing - stealing stuff so he could sell it to foreign intelligence services.
GMTA! I took note of the names. Names I've not yet seen, and will look. Thank you.
Yours, very much smoothed the flow!
Ah ! Alea jacti est !
(Sorry ! Couldn't resist the pun !)
That's all right. Just pass the jug my ways when yer done with it. ;>
(Even if it were a government, I'm not sure we'd have the intestinal fortitude to reply in kind... making several hundred billion dollars pointless, in the end. However, when it isn't a government, even a hawk wanting to retaliate won't have a "legitimate" target, and we'll have to watch, impotently.)
"Bush lied" ping
Juggus (hic !) passus est.
Sorry 'bout that ! You'd think at my age I would have forgotten all that damn Latin from HS !
I'm Texan by birth, Virginian by choice (31 years living here), and now that my kid goes to UT-Knoxville, I've adopted Tennessee as well. It is a GREAT state! Too bad the Vols had a rough season.
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