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Airstrike by U.S. Draws Protests From Pakistanis [Good info inside...]
New York Times ^ | 1/14/06 | Carlotta Gall

Posted on 01/14/2006 12:28:46 PM PST by saquin

Local officials in the Bajaur district, where the airstrike happened, said 18 civilians had been killed in the attack, including six children. But the senior Pakistani official who spoke of Mr. Zawahiri suggested that the death toll was higher, and he said that at least 11 militants had been killed in the attack. Seven of the dead were Arab fighters, and another four were Pakistani militants from Punjab Province, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to brief the news media.

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On Saturday, the Pakistani security official described some of the intelligence surrounding the airstrike. He said that a dinner at which Mr. Zawahiri was expected had been planned for Thursday night. A local cleric, Maulavi Liaqat, was at the dinner, but he left around midnight, the official said.

After the airstrike, Mr. Liaqat was again at the scene, and he had the bodies of the Arab militants pulled from the rubble and taken away, the security official said. A second cleric, Maulavi Atta Muhammad, took away the Pakistani militants, he said.

A second American official who acknowledged that Mr. Zawahiri had been the target of the strike said it was probably too soon to know for certain whether he had been at the scene.

Damadola has been the focus of previous security operations as well. The Pakistani authorities carried out an operation in the village in April 2004 against a cleric, Maulavi Faqir Mohammad, whom they blamed for giving sanctuary to militants. The maulavi has been at large since, but turned up on Friday and spoke at the funeral of the civilian dead, denouncing the strike, local residents said. He left the area immediately afterward.

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To: Dog

arty. Not ours.


21 posted on 01/14/2006 1:14:31 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

You sure? It looks similar to one of our M650 203mm rounds.


22 posted on 01/14/2006 1:16:19 PM PST by james500
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

Why in God's name are we allowing NYT crap furnished by Al Jeezeera to be published as if it is Gospel?

Anyone can sprinkle clothing over rubble and declare that the US murdered innocent non-combattants.

Why are we dignifying this idiocy?


23 posted on 01/14/2006 1:19:55 PM PST by CBart95
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To: james500

Sorry, I meant not a Hellfire. Not a 155 either. I am not real up on old Soviet-era ordinance, but it looks like a duck.


24 posted on 01/14/2006 1:20:42 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: CBart95
Why are we dignifying this idiocy?

Maybe you missed something. I am ridiculing Reuters and the AP. Viciously, ruthlessly, and mercilessly. They can not ask a pertinent question, and drag up photo's of weddings and group shots with their best anti-American drivel captioning. Yahoo even has a 10 year old girl with a nasal tube and dried blood on her face. Taken 3 days ago. They just can not let facts get in the way of "news".

25 posted on 01/14/2006 1:26:36 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: Dog

Appears to be a U.K. M107 , 155MM HE round but the depth of the pic with it on the wall and the old raghead behind the wall suggest something bit smaller like a Yugoslav 122MM M462 or M76 HE round.......just a SWAG of course ......:o)


26 posted on 01/14/2006 1:31:04 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: CBart95
The latest from AP: A counterterrorism official said that if al-Zawahri were killed, which is not yet known, it would be a devastating blow to al-Qaida. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the information.

Somebody big got captured or killed.

27 posted on 01/14/2006 1:32:27 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: Gordongekko909

The "noose is tightening"? That's horse excrement. 9/11 was 4 and a half years ago and we're just starting to "tighten the noose."

If Bush fails to bring OBL and Zawahiri to justice during his term of office it will be one of the big strikes against his legacy, which I have every reason to believe will be fairly impressive otherwise.


28 posted on 01/14/2006 1:36:24 PM PST by Boston Republican
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To: Boston Republican

Apparently, we're operating in the open in Pakistan right now. That's better than the covert stuff we were doing before. Nothing against covert ops, but that kind of warfare is a cyanide-loaded syrigne, not a broadsword. OBL will be a lot easier to find if we don't have to worry about being seen over there.


29 posted on 01/14/2006 1:49:32 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Boston Republican

As President Bush said just last week, "We're on the Hunt!"

I guess he means, "We're on the Hunt!"....


30 posted on 01/14/2006 1:53:15 PM PST by Prost1 (Sandy Berger can steal, Clinton can cheat, but Bush can't listen!)
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To: llevrok

I am sure this raid was carried out with Pak collaboration, perhaps even at Pak behest. The government should probablydo some perfunctory handwringing about the "illegal" incursion for domestic consumption.


31 posted on 01/14/2006 1:53:23 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: Dog

155 mm arty?


32 posted on 01/14/2006 1:55:08 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: Boston Republican

OBL has most likely met his justice a long time ago in Afghanistan. ElZ is just the next in a line.


33 posted on 01/14/2006 1:56:45 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: Gordongekko909
The noose is tightening around ol' OBL.


34 posted on 01/14/2006 1:59:13 PM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: saquin
In a statement, Pakistan's Foreign Ministry condemned the loss of civilian lives.... Local officials in the Bajaur district, where the airstrike happened, said 18 civilians had been killed in the attack, including six children.... Eight people, including women and children, were reported killed on Jan. 7 when missiles destroyed the house of a local cleric in North Waziristan close to the Afghan border....

There have been a number of incidents of civilian deaths in failed or misdirected American attacks in Afghanistan and along the border with Pakistan. In July 2002, dozens of Afghans at a wedding party were killed in an American bombing raid.... In December 2003, nine children and a 25-year-old man were killed in a strike from a Predator in Hutala, a village in a remote area of southern Ghazni Province....

The writers sure like to bang the drum about civilian casualties -- but only when they're caused by us, not by terrorists.

35 posted on 01/14/2006 1:59:55 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: llevrok
the collateral damage

Everybody there knew they were entertaining Alqaida persons. If the women had their children there they must share in the results. Best stay at least shrapnel distance away from Alqaida types.

36 posted on 01/14/2006 2:00:45 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: Dog

152mm Soviet


37 posted on 01/14/2006 2:04:57 PM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: Dog
Artillery shell. Even my wife recognized that it wasn't a "missile".

The NYTimes got scammed. Again.

Simple ignorance? Or simple malice?

Both?

38 posted on 01/14/2006 2:13:49 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Dog
What kind of warhead is this.

Its an artillery shell. Looks like its been fired.

I don't think this is what was used to strike the building. This shell was probably in the building when it was hit by a hellfire. The militants may have salvaged "dud" artillery shells they intended to modify into IEDs or use as a source of raw explosives.

39 posted on 01/14/2006 2:43:26 PM PST by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: llevrok

When you lay down with dogs, you get fleas.---And Bombed


40 posted on 01/14/2006 3:09:16 PM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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