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What Wilson Didnít Say About Africa: Joseph Wilson's Silent Partners
Original FReeper research | 10/25/2004 | Fedora

Posted on 10/25/2004 12:32:12 PM PDT by Fedora

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To: RavenATB

His Hagel your Senator? I don't have all the links for that here, right now. I'm not at home and haven't been saving anything that I've been researching. Sorry.

What I remember is that Aburdene is a campaign contributor to Hagel through one of his PACs. But if you look further, you will see that Hagel has been part of a bunch of commissions to all parts of the world, and oddly enough the name Aburdene pops up among the other members of the commission. It is my guess that these are all members of the same family.

101 posted on 07/15/2005 6:27:30 PM PDT by Eva
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To: StillProud2BeFree; Fedora

Don't I remember BCCI coming up in one of your translations?

102 posted on 07/15/2005 6:29:05 PM PDT by Calpernia (
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To: Fedora; All

New media at its best!
Thanks Fedora.
Thanks to all linkers/researchers.

103 posted on 07/15/2005 6:38:43 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Calpernia; piasa

Thank you for the ping Calpernia.


Ping piasa.

104 posted on 07/15/2005 8:27:58 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Eva
I used to live in Nebraska, but don't anymore. I have an interest for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that I've always believed Hagel to be a duplicitous scumbag.
105 posted on 07/15/2005 8:31:18 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: Calpernia

Thanks for the ping!

106 posted on 07/15/2005 8:34:52 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Fedora

Wow. Outstanding job. Let's see a DUer try to create such substance - with souces included.

107 posted on 07/15/2005 8:55:27 PM PDT by torchthemummy (Ron Bonjean: "Deepthroat...Deanthroat...Dean likes the taste of his own foot.")
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To: Eva
The interesting part is that Miller was very strong on WMDs being in Iraq. At the time of the Plame affair she wrote about the British WMD specialist who committed suicide due to the falsification of his reports and Miller included the information that he had been under terrible pressure from the anti-war forces to change his estimates. It was concluded that perhaps Miller was feeling some of that same pressure. (Actually, we know that she was)

Yes, that is the interesting part, especially because Miller was one of the last people the WMD specialist (David Kelly) talked to before he died, and it is debated whether his death was a suicide or a homicide, and at the time of his death he was being investigated as a possible source for British reporter Andrew Gilligan, who was covering a story touching on the British investigation of the origin of the same forged Niger documents underlying Wilson's story.

108 posted on 07/15/2005 9:51:47 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Calpernia
One BCCI figure I suspect connects to some of these players is Monzer Al-Kassar.
109 posted on 07/15/2005 9:58:43 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora


110 posted on 07/16/2005 4:35:31 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Fedora

I don't know why more people are not looking into why Joseph Wilson would have been qualified to go to Niger. It would be nice to see some media coverage about how close the Wilson's were to the Sadam regime, how close the Ambassador was to the French government and to the companys recieving oil for food vouchers. I think this along with the media cooperating with democratic operatives to influence the election would be an interesting avenue for research and debate. If the dems can call for Roves security clearance why can't the Bush admin call for an investigation into possible treason on the part of the Wilson's, the French government and the Oil for Food scandal?

111 posted on 07/16/2005 2:05:53 PM PDT by gulf1609 (Was there a French Connection?)
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To: gulf1609

I agree there should be some investigations of those things.

112 posted on 07/16/2005 3:49:33 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Cindy


113 posted on 07/16/2005 10:31:49 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa

You're welcome.

As Dennis the Menace would say, "We're getting closer Mr. Wilson, huh, huh, huh?!"

114 posted on 07/16/2005 10:40:55 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Fedora
My compliments on your excellent research. You should send a copy to the RNC. In case you didn't know it, Wilson has hooked up with another Turkish lobbying group, CPS

As I have noted in an earlier post on another thread, "What I find curious is why Wilson retired with only 22 years service, especially at a time when he was in his peak earning years and his career should have been in its ascendency. I suspect that his career was at a dead end either due to the role he played in the April Glaspie affair or his subsequent performance on the NSC. There must have been a cloud over his head, which "forced" him to get out. With his colossal ego, I doubt if finishing his career out as a bureaucrat stuffed into some cubicle was not acceptable.

I might have to revise that estimate somewhat about Wilson's early departure from the State Department at age 50 and 22 years of service. It may be a case of following the money.

115 posted on 07/17/2005 9:01:07 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Thank you. I did mention CPS briefly in the part of the text corresponding to Footnote 21 above, but didn't dig into it as much I wanted. As I recall I had difficulty tracking down information on some of the individuals listed with their board, and being on a bit of a time crunch I didn't follow up exhaustively. It is probably worth a deeper investigation to discern some of the interlocking personnel and financial channels linking these various companies and consulting agencies.

Your thoughts on the reason for his early retirement are interesting. It does seem like he should've been poised for a higher position in the State Department and there must've been a reason he didn't pursue that. My first thought is that perhaps after arranging Clinton's Africa trip he saw an opportunity to capitalize on that and didn't want to let it slip by. But as I ponder that line of thought, it seems like he could've still managed to make some money from his African contacts without retiring from State if he'd done so discreetly through a silent partnership, so I'm not sure that would explain everything. I need to think more about that. The other major event from that point in his life that occurs to me as a possible reason is that at that time he was going through his divorce from his second wife and remarriage to Plame; perhaps there was something involved there which affected his career. It was also about that time that Plame was pulled off undercover work, so both of them seem to have been going through a major transition.

116 posted on 07/17/2005 10:54:11 AM PDT by Fedora
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To: RavenATB; Eva
Here's an update to the Hagel file I dug out of my notes today (see second-last paragraph of excerpt):

Biden Buddies Up To Pro-Iran Lobby

Some might call it reaching out to American Muslims. But to many Iranians living in California, a fund-raiser for Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Del.) at the home of a prominent pro-Iran lobbyist on Feb. 19 sent a wrongheaded message to the ruling clerics in Tehran.

"When we learned that Sen. Biden was planning to hold a fund-raiser at the California home of Dr. Sadegh Namazi-khah, we immediately contacted his office to express our dismay," a prominent Iranian-American activist tells Insight. Why dismay? "Dr. Namazi-khah is well-known in the Los Angeles area for his support of the ruling clerical regime in Tehran and is one of the regime's leading unofficial lobbyists in America. We thought that Sen. Biden might not know his background. Getting the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to appear at this event will certainly be seen by the regime in Tehran as a show of support."

On the eve of the fund-raiser, which brought an estimated $30,000 into Biden's re-election coffers, a Biden staffer told the activist that the senator's staff "had all the facts necessary to make a decision," and he was planning to attend the fund-raiser despite the protests.

Several participants who paid to attend the event tell Insight that Biden arrived at 8 p.m., stayed until 11 and delivered a sweeping condemnation of President George W. Bush's "Axis of Evil" formula.

"He really impressed us by his grasp of world affairs," Namazi-khah tells Insight in an interview. "He encouraged us to make our views known and to get more involved in American politics."

Biden also impressed many of those present with his friendly attitude toward the Islamic Republic of Iran. The senator said that "Iran always wanted to be an ally of the United States and to have good relations with the U.S.," according to Housang Dadgostar, a prominent lawyer. "As Iranian-Americans, we don't want anything to happen to the Iranian government or to the Iranian people as a result of this war on terrorism," says Mohsen Movaghar, a Los Angeles businessman. Both men belong to the 70-member board of directors of Namazi-khah's Iranian Muslim Association of North America (IMAN).

Namazi-khah denied any official contact with the Iranian government. But he tells Insight that he regularly travels to Iran — something many expatriates do — and that he actively supports "moderates" within the ruling clergy, such as Iranian President Mohammad Khatami, in their efforts to bring reform to the Islamic system.

Namazi-khah and other IMAN board members say Biden's office contacted them to inquire if they would hold a private fund-raiser for the senator, who is up for re-election this year, after meeting with them at a pro-Tehran gala in New York last December. That event was sponsored by the American-Iranian Council (AIC), a pro-regime lobbying group trying to get Congress and the Bush administration to lift the trade embargo on Iran.

The AIC is funded by hefty contributions from Conoco and other U.S. oil companies seeking to get a piece of the potentially lucrative Iranian petrochemicals sector. The oil companies are prevented from working in Iran by the Iran-Libya Sanctions Act (ILSA), which President Bill Clinton signed into law in 1996.

Namazi-khah acknowledges that he and other IMAN board members would like to see the U.S. sanctions lifted and that they worked actively with AIC and another antisanctions lobbying group known as the World Political Action Committee. However, he insists that IMAN is a "cultural and religious group, not a political group." Indeed, the group is registered in the state of California as a "church" and is exempt from financial disclosure. One IMAN board member says the group raises $300,000 to $400,000 per year from members. He insists that they take "no money from the government in Tehran."

California real-estate records show that the group purchased a building at 3376 Motor Ave. in Los Angeles in August 1995 for $925,000 and has spent hundreds of thousands more to build auditoriums and meeting rooms for religious services. It was unclear where the money for these projects originated.

One clue can be found in an official calendar circulated by the Iranian government for the Persian year 1379 (March 2000-March 2001), obtained by Insight. The mission statement of the "General Office of Cultural Affairs of Iranians Outside the Country," which circulated the calendar, is to "promote policies of the government of the Islamic Republic [and] strive to be a bridge between the Iranian community abroad and inside the country." In addition to listing Iranian government Websites, the calendar cites IMAN as a pro-regime group.

"If they are lobbying on behalf of the Tehran government they are probably in violation of U.S. law," an FBI source who has prosecuted several related cases tells Insight. But with high-level friends in Washington, IMAN may believe it has purchased immunity.

Norm Kurz, a spokesman for Biden, tells Insight the Delaware Democrat never would meet knowingly with a group known to back a terrorist organization and that he makes the distinction between the Iranian people and the regime. Nevertheless, Kurz adds, Biden hopes a dialogue with Iran could be constructive.

The AIC is playing host to a gala at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce in Washington on March 13, where it will honor Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.), the only Republican openly to criticize Bush for his "Axis of Evil" rhetoric.

Also invited, according to AIC, are Sens. Biden and Robert Torricelli (D-N.J.). Biden's staff insisted that the AIC had announced his participation prematurely and that no final decision had been made.

117 posted on 07/21/2005 12:05:05 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

Hagel is such a schmuck. What nationality is the name Hagel, anyway?

118 posted on 07/21/2005 1:14:28 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Fedora
Thanks for the valuable info. I really appreciate your help. I must compliment you on the work you've done on this subject.

As for Hagel, I concluded that he was wearing out the carpet, running from television station to television station, to position himself as a "thinking moderate" at the expense of our President, our foreign policy, and our military members, in order to gain name-recogition and position himself for a future run at the White House.

As a former Nebraska resident, I believe Hagel to be a significant threat to the future of the Republican party, the conservative movement, and the nation as a whole.

Were I faced with a choice between Hillary Clinton and Chuck Hagel for President, I'd have to say that I couldn't vote for Hagel.
119 posted on 07/21/2005 6:18:02 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: pbrown

Didn't I read in another thread that some of the people Wilson "met" in Niger denied meeting him on that same trip? Is there anything substantive there? It would make an interesting post script to the article...

120 posted on 07/27/2005 11:56:00 PM PDT by Lone Red Ranger (What's right is more important than who's right. Glad we're Right.)
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