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What Wilson Didnít Say About Africa: Joseph Wilson's Silent Partners
Original FReeper research | 10/25/2004 | Fedora

Posted on 10/25/2004 12:32:12 PM PDT by Fedora

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To: RavenATB

His Hagel your Senator? I don't have all the links for that here, right now. I'm not at home and haven't been saving anything that I've been researching. Sorry.

What I remember is that Aburdene is a campaign contributor to Hagel through one of his PACs. But if you look further, you will see that Hagel has been part of a bunch of commissions to all parts of the world, and oddly enough the name Aburdene pops up among the other members of the commission. It is my guess that these are all members of the same family.


101 posted on 07/15/2005 6:27:30 PM PDT by Eva
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To: StillProud2BeFree; Fedora

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1256475/posts?page=93#93

Don't I remember BCCI coming up in one of your translations?


102 posted on 07/15/2005 6:29:05 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Fedora; All

New media at its best!
Thanks Fedora.
Thanks to all linkers/researchers.
BTTT.


103 posted on 07/15/2005 6:38:43 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Calpernia; piasa

Thank you for the ping Calpernia.

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Ping piasa.


104 posted on 07/15/2005 8:27:58 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Eva
I used to live in Nebraska, but don't anymore. I have an interest for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that I've always believed Hagel to be a duplicitous scumbag.
105 posted on 07/15/2005 8:31:18 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: Calpernia

Thanks for the ping!


106 posted on 07/15/2005 8:34:52 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Fedora

Wow. Outstanding job. Let's see a DUer try to create such substance - with souces included.


107 posted on 07/15/2005 8:55:27 PM PDT by torchthemummy (Ron Bonjean: "Deepthroat...Deanthroat...Dean likes the taste of his own foot.")
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To: Eva
The interesting part is that Miller was very strong on WMDs being in Iraq. At the time of the Plame affair she wrote about the British WMD specialist who committed suicide due to the falsification of his reports and Miller included the information that he had been under terrible pressure from the anti-war forces to change his estimates. It was concluded that perhaps Miller was feeling some of that same pressure. (Actually, we know that she was)

Yes, that is the interesting part, especially because Miller was one of the last people the WMD specialist (David Kelly) talked to before he died, and it is debated whether his death was a suicide or a homicide, and at the time of his death he was being investigated as a possible source for British reporter Andrew Gilligan, who was covering a story touching on the British investigation of the origin of the same forged Niger documents underlying Wilson's story.

108 posted on 07/15/2005 9:51:47 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Calpernia
One BCCI figure I suspect connects to some of these players is Monzer Al-Kassar.
109 posted on 07/15/2005 9:58:43 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

bump


110 posted on 07/16/2005 4:35:31 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Fedora

I don't know why more people are not looking into why Joseph Wilson would have been qualified to go to Niger. It would be nice to see some media coverage about how close the Wilson's were to the Sadam regime, how close the Ambassador was to the French government and to the companys recieving oil for food vouchers. I think this along with the media cooperating with democratic operatives to influence the election would be an interesting avenue for research and debate. If the dems can call for Roves security clearance why can't the Bush admin call for an investigation into possible treason on the part of the Wilson's, the French government and the Oil for Food scandal?


111 posted on 07/16/2005 2:05:53 PM PDT by gulf1609 (Was there a French Connection?)
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To: gulf1609

I agree there should be some investigations of those things.


112 posted on 07/16/2005 3:49:33 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Cindy

Thanks


113 posted on 07/16/2005 10:31:49 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa

You're welcome.

As Dennis the Menace would say, "We're getting closer Mr. Wilson, huh, huh, huh?!"


114 posted on 07/16/2005 10:40:55 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Fedora
My compliments on your excellent research. You should send a copy to the RNC. In case you didn't know it, Wilson has hooked up with another Turkish lobbying group, CPS

As I have noted in an earlier post on another thread, "What I find curious is why Wilson retired with only 22 years service, especially at a time when he was in his peak earning years and his career should have been in its ascendency. I suspect that his career was at a dead end either due to the role he played in the April Glaspie affair or his subsequent performance on the NSC. There must have been a cloud over his head, which "forced" him to get out. With his colossal ego, I doubt if finishing his career out as a bureaucrat stuffed into some cubicle was not acceptable.

I might have to revise that estimate somewhat about Wilson's early departure from the State Department at age 50 and 22 years of service. It may be a case of following the money.

115 posted on 07/17/2005 9:01:07 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Thank you. I did mention CPS briefly in the part of the text corresponding to Footnote 21 above, but didn't dig into it as much I wanted. As I recall I had difficulty tracking down information on some of the individuals listed with their board, and being on a bit of a time crunch I didn't follow up exhaustively. It is probably worth a deeper investigation to discern some of the interlocking personnel and financial channels linking these various companies and consulting agencies.

Your thoughts on the reason for his early retirement are interesting. It does seem like he should've been poised for a higher position in the State Department and there must've been a reason he didn't pursue that. My first thought is that perhaps after arranging Clinton's Africa trip he saw an opportunity to capitalize on that and didn't want to let it slip by. But as I ponder that line of thought, it seems like he could've still managed to make some money from his African contacts without retiring from State if he'd done so discreetly through a silent partnership, so I'm not sure that would explain everything. I need to think more about that. The other major event from that point in his life that occurs to me as a possible reason is that at that time he was going through his divorce from his second wife and remarriage to Plame; perhaps there was something involved there which affected his career. It was also about that time that Plame was pulled off undercover work, so both of them seem to have been going through a major transition.


116 posted on 07/17/2005 10:54:11 AM PDT by Fedora
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To: RavenATB; Eva
Here's an update to the Hagel file I dug out of my notes today (see second-last paragraph of excerpt):

Biden Buddies Up To Pro-Iran Lobby

Some might call it reaching out to American Muslims. But to many Iranians living in California, a fund-raiser for Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Del.) at the home of a prominent pro-Iran lobbyist on Feb. 19 sent a wrongheaded message to the ruling clerics in Tehran.

"When we learned that Sen. Biden was planning to hold a fund-raiser at the California home of Dr. Sadegh Namazi-khah, we immediately contacted his office to express our dismay," a prominent Iranian-American activist tells Insight. Why dismay? "Dr. Namazi-khah is well-known in the Los Angeles area for his support of the ruling clerical regime in Tehran and is one of the regime's leading unofficial lobbyists in America. We thought that Sen. Biden might not know his background. Getting the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to appear at this event will certainly be seen by the regime in Tehran as a show of support."

On the eve of the fund-raiser, which brought an estimated $30,000 into Biden's re-election coffers, a Biden staffer told the activist that the senator's staff "had all the facts necessary to make a decision," and he was planning to attend the fund-raiser despite the protests.

Several participants who paid to attend the event tell Insight that Biden arrived at 8 p.m., stayed until 11 and delivered a sweeping condemnation of President George W. Bush's "Axis of Evil" formula.

"He really impressed us by his grasp of world affairs," Namazi-khah tells Insight in an interview. "He encouraged us to make our views known and to get more involved in American politics."

Biden also impressed many of those present with his friendly attitude toward the Islamic Republic of Iran. The senator said that "Iran always wanted to be an ally of the United States and to have good relations with the U.S.," according to Housang Dadgostar, a prominent lawyer. "As Iranian-Americans, we don't want anything to happen to the Iranian government or to the Iranian people as a result of this war on terrorism," says Mohsen Movaghar, a Los Angeles businessman. Both men belong to the 70-member board of directors of Namazi-khah's Iranian Muslim Association of North America (IMAN).

Namazi-khah denied any official contact with the Iranian government. But he tells Insight that he regularly travels to Iran — something many expatriates do — and that he actively supports "moderates" within the ruling clergy, such as Iranian President Mohammad Khatami, in their efforts to bring reform to the Islamic system.

Namazi-khah and other IMAN board members say Biden's office contacted them to inquire if they would hold a private fund-raiser for the senator, who is up for re-election this year, after meeting with them at a pro-Tehran gala in New York last December. That event was sponsored by the American-Iranian Council (AIC), a pro-regime lobbying group trying to get Congress and the Bush administration to lift the trade embargo on Iran.

The AIC is funded by hefty contributions from Conoco and other U.S. oil companies seeking to get a piece of the potentially lucrative Iranian petrochemicals sector. The oil companies are prevented from working in Iran by the Iran-Libya Sanctions Act (ILSA), which President Bill Clinton signed into law in 1996.

Namazi-khah acknowledges that he and other IMAN board members would like to see the U.S. sanctions lifted and that they worked actively with AIC and another antisanctions lobbying group known as the World Political Action Committee. However, he insists that IMAN is a "cultural and religious group, not a political group." Indeed, the group is registered in the state of California as a "church" and is exempt from financial disclosure. One IMAN board member says the group raises $300,000 to $400,000 per year from members. He insists that they take "no money from the government in Tehran."

California real-estate records show that the group purchased a building at 3376 Motor Ave. in Los Angeles in August 1995 for $925,000 and has spent hundreds of thousands more to build auditoriums and meeting rooms for religious services. It was unclear where the money for these projects originated.

One clue can be found in an official calendar circulated by the Iranian government for the Persian year 1379 (March 2000-March 2001), obtained by Insight. The mission statement of the "General Office of Cultural Affairs of Iranians Outside the Country," which circulated the calendar, is to "promote policies of the government of the Islamic Republic [and] strive to be a bridge between the Iranian community abroad and inside the country." In addition to listing Iranian government Websites, the calendar cites IMAN as a pro-regime group.

"If they are lobbying on behalf of the Tehran government they are probably in violation of U.S. law," an FBI source who has prosecuted several related cases tells Insight. But with high-level friends in Washington, IMAN may believe it has purchased immunity.

Norm Kurz, a spokesman for Biden, tells Insight the Delaware Democrat never would meet knowingly with a group known to back a terrorist organization and that he makes the distinction between the Iranian people and the regime. Nevertheless, Kurz adds, Biden hopes a dialogue with Iran could be constructive.

The AIC is playing host to a gala at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce in Washington on March 13, where it will honor Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.), the only Republican openly to criticize Bush for his "Axis of Evil" rhetoric.

Also invited, according to AIC, are Sens. Biden and Robert Torricelli (D-N.J.). Biden's staff insisted that the AIC had announced his participation prematurely and that no final decision had been made.

117 posted on 07/21/2005 12:05:05 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

Hagel is such a schmuck. What nationality is the name Hagel, anyway?


118 posted on 07/21/2005 1:14:28 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Fedora
Thanks for the valuable info. I really appreciate your help. I must compliment you on the work you've done on this subject.

As for Hagel, I concluded that he was wearing out the carpet, running from television station to television station, to position himself as a "thinking moderate" at the expense of our President, our foreign policy, and our military members, in order to gain name-recogition and position himself for a future run at the White House.

As a former Nebraska resident, I believe Hagel to be a significant threat to the future of the Republican party, the conservative movement, and the nation as a whole.

Were I faced with a choice between Hillary Clinton and Chuck Hagel for President, I'd have to say that I couldn't vote for Hagel.
119 posted on 07/21/2005 6:18:02 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: pbrown

Didn't I read in another thread that some of the people Wilson "met" in Niger denied meeting him on that same trip? Is there anything substantive there? It would make an interesting post script to the article...


120 posted on 07/27/2005 11:56:00 PM PDT by Lone Red Ranger (What's right is more important than who's right. Glad we're Right.)
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To: Fedora
Hmmmmm

... why Wilson and the CIA’s investigation did not explore at least the possibility of the French-led company COGEMA covertly allowing Niger to sell uranium to Iraq.

121 posted on 07/28/2005 12:05:30 AM PDT by GOPJ (A person who will lie for you, will lie against you.)
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To: Fedora

bump- Someone needs to send this Rush, ASAP.


122 posted on 08/22/2005 11:37:33 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Fedora

Fedora. I am reading this for the first time. It is a brilliant job.Hats off to you for it.


123 posted on 10/13/2005 7:59:51 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: the Real fifi

Thanks; sorry I didn't know you hadn't read it or I would've shown you the link. I'm working on an update.


124 posted on 10/13/2005 8:36:00 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: devolve; potlatch; PhilDragoo; bitt

I missed this post first time around. Read on, and Joseph Wilson's motives become more clear.


125 posted on 10/22/2005 10:30:52 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: ntnychik

Placemark.


126 posted on 10/22/2005 11:01:35 PM PDT by Misty Memory (Liberals love the idea of humanity in general, they hate individuals in particular.)
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To: kabar

Lets be fair about Wilson and early retirement. In the federal employment racket, you simply aren't going to get rich or make the big cash you desire. You simply reach a point where you have the points for retirement purposes and can collect a check and simply move onto the "cash cows". In the state department game, you go to the old contacts and get consulting positions and quickly pick up the $300k to $1 million deals that you dreamed of as a state department guy. Thats precisely what Wilson has done.

What does make this a bit interesting is that his focus in life is Africa and corrupt regimes. So he has sleep in their bed at the end of the day...he has no choice. He will milk this book and interview deal as much as possible....but eventually...he has no choice but climb right back into the bed of corrupt African businessmen. Thats the tail end of this entire episode...yet to come.


127 posted on 10/22/2005 11:15:24 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice
In the state department game, you go to the old contacts and get consulting positions and quickly pick up the $300k to $1 million deals that you dreamed of as a state department guy. Thats precisely what Wilson has done.

LOL. If only that were true. There are very few breaucrats who can parlay their State Department service into these "$300k to $1 million deals." And there are laws circumscribing what kind of positions you can take immediately after retiring. Military flag officers do better than most SES/SFS grade State Officers when they retire. The military/industrial complex facilitates moving from the public to the private sectors.

Until he cashed in on his new-found fame with a book and speaking fees, Wilson was not doing that well with his consulting business. The Niger/Plame affairs provided him with the opportunity to cash in.

128 posted on 10/23/2005 5:18:13 AM PDT by kabar
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To: ntnychik; Blurblogger; ken5050

ping to more


129 posted on 10/23/2005 8:32:35 AM PDT by bitt (THE PRESIDENT: "Ask the pollsters. My job is to lead and to solve problems. ")
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To: Fedora

Great Work!


130 posted on 10/25/2005 4:23:59 PM PDT by robomurph
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To: robomurph

btt


131 posted on 10/26/2005 10:36:16 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau

Marked.


132 posted on 11/01/2005 9:32:23 PM PST by unsycophant
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To: Fedora

Wow. I'm impressed. Fantastic work. The name Sami Al-Arian (can't remember where you referenced it), is that the same guy Bill O'Reilly went after? A college professor involved in financing Hamas? Funny that Wilson's first wife was Jewish, and so many of his associations are anti-semites.


133 posted on 11/01/2005 11:21:19 PM PST by pnut22
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To: Fedora

bttt


134 posted on 11/01/2005 11:23:16 PM PST by nopardons
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To: pnut22
Thanks. I'd need to look up what O'Reilly said about Sami Al-Arian, but there's a little on him in Post 89, and yes, he was the professor you're thinking of--here's a summary on him with details and links:

SAMI AL-ARIAN

135 posted on 11/02/2005 12:14:05 AM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora

Very interesting.


136 posted on 11/03/2005 6:36:18 AM PST by unsycophant
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To: Fedora; devolve; SquirrelKing; PhilDragoo; potlatch; ntnychik; Lady Jag; MEG33; dixiechick2000; ...

WOW! I was going thru my bookmarks looking for something entirely different and found that I had bookmarked this thread way back when you first posted it. I couldn't recall what the thread contained so I looked at it again just now. WOW! Fedora, you have collected some great references here!!

Ping to a few - just in case I'm not the only one who over-looked this great thread from the past


137 posted on 11/04/2005 11:30:55 AM PST by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: Zacs Mom

WOW!


138 posted on 11/04/2005 11:46:37 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Fedora

Great work! Bumped & bookmarked.


139 posted on 11/04/2005 11:47:45 AM PST by PilloryHillary (Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.)
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To: Fedora

Great job, professional, actually.

I think that I remember reading that there was a connection between that guy from Detroit that was named in the Volker Report and the Alamoudi dynasty, as well. I seem to remember something about that trip to the Middle East that was arranged for the anti-war congress members (including Chuck Hagel). It really doesn't have anything to do with Wilson, though.


140 posted on 11/04/2005 12:09:15 PM PST by Eva
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To: Zacs Mom; PhilDragoo; potlatch; ntnychik; Grampa Dave; Lady Jag; Czar; Alamo-Girl; bitt; ...




 mp3  T H U N D E R B A L Z   midi 

141 posted on 11/04/2005 1:22:15 PM PST by devolve (<--- (--------(--do not check out my lame FR home page--)--------)
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To: devolve

Looks good and I like your 'jumping words' and the little James Bond gif. Your profile page looks great now!


142 posted on 11/04/2005 1:46:10 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Zacs Mom; PilloryHillary

Thanks! I'll ping you to the update when it's ready.


143 posted on 11/04/2005 1:47:58 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Eva
I think that I remember reading that there was a connection between that guy from Detroit that was named in the Volker Report and the Alamoudi dynasty, as well. I seem to remember something about that trip to the Middle East that was arranged for the anti-war congress members (including Chuck Hagel). It really doesn't have anything to do with Wilson, though.

Is the Detroit guy you're thinking of David Bonior? I haven't found a direct connection between him and Wilson, but they did both have links to the Alamoudis and the antiwar movement's Congressional allies, and I think there are signs of coordination at those levels. I've been writing up something on that I'll be posting shortly--meant to get it out this week and didn't quite make it.

144 posted on 11/04/2005 1:57:53 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora

Beautiful work. I missed this when you posted it, but I'm bookmarking it now.


145 posted on 11/04/2005 1:58:41 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Fedora; Zacs Mom

Amazing piece of work! You are good! Thank you!


146 posted on 11/04/2005 2:04:46 PM PST by Lady Jag (Semper Paratus! (always prepared))
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To: Eva

I realized after I typed that the Detroit guy you mean is probably Shakir Al-Khafaji, who also financed Scott Ritter's movie, right? He paid Jim McDermott, who went with Bonior to Baghdad; and Bonior in turn received a campaign donation from Abdurahman Alamoudi on other occasion for lobbying activity against anti-terrorist legislation--that's why I thought of him when you mentioned Detroit and Alamoudi, but then I reread and realized he wasn't in the Volcker Report so you probably meant someone else. Sorry for any confusion.


147 posted on 11/04/2005 2:06:41 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Interesting Times

I wrote this in between working on the VVAW stuff (that was a busy month!!!) and I didn't think to ping you because we were wrapped up in that; sorry about that! I'll be sure to ping you to the update.


148 posted on 11/04/2005 2:09:21 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Lady Jag

Thanks :-)


149 posted on 11/04/2005 2:11:12 PM PST by Fedora
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To: potlatch


I made up a separate blank text Jag.jpg so I can simply add font or a transparent BG text .gif or black BG text .jpg on that basic image

Boxer may need a Hillary version to join her

Just finding the right head is the trick


150 posted on 11/04/2005 2:19:34 PM PST by devolve (<--- (--------(--do not check out my lame FR home page--)--------)
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