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Airstrike by U.S. Draws Protests From Pakistanis [Good info inside...]
New York Times ^ | 1/14/06 | Carlotta Gall

Posted on 01/14/2006 12:28:46 PM PST by saquin

Local officials in the Bajaur district, where the airstrike happened, said 18 civilians had been killed in the attack, including six children. But the senior Pakistani official who spoke of Mr. Zawahiri suggested that the death toll was higher, and he said that at least 11 militants had been killed in the attack. Seven of the dead were Arab fighters, and another four were Pakistani militants from Punjab Province, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to brief the news media.

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On Saturday, the Pakistani security official described some of the intelligence surrounding the airstrike. He said that a dinner at which Mr. Zawahiri was expected had been planned for Thursday night. A local cleric, Maulavi Liaqat, was at the dinner, but he left around midnight, the official said.

After the airstrike, Mr. Liaqat was again at the scene, and he had the bodies of the Arab militants pulled from the rubble and taken away, the security official said. A second cleric, Maulavi Atta Muhammad, took away the Pakistani militants, he said.

A second American official who acknowledged that Mr. Zawahiri had been the target of the strike said it was probably too soon to know for certain whether he had been at the scene.

Damadola has been the focus of previous security operations as well. The Pakistani authorities carried out an operation in the village in April 2004 against a cleric, Maulavi Faqir Mohammad, whom they blamed for giving sanctuary to militants. The maulavi has been at large since, but turned up on Friday and spoke at the funeral of the civilian dead, denouncing the strike, local residents said. He left the area immediately afterward.

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I just excerpted the interesting parts.
1 posted on 01/14/2006 12:28:49 PM PST by saquin
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To: saquin
Thanks, I don't like giving the NYT hits.

Well, this is a good sign. We're operating within Pakistan's borders now (like, above-board). Eeeeexcellent. The noose is tightening around ol' OBL.

2 posted on 01/14/2006 12:32:08 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: saquin
We are sorry about the collateral damage.

I think Pakistan will be better off for this action in the long run, however.

3 posted on 01/14/2006 12:35:35 PM PST by llevrok (Drink your beer, damnit! There are people in Africa sober!.)
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To: saquin

President Pervez Musharraf IS a true believer in the war on terror, but many of the senior officers and even the rank-and-file in his armed forces have loyalties to the terrorists. Joint operations are ALWAYS just a little too late, due to advanced warnings. Therefore, the US does what it must and the Pakistani Government officially complains about it.


4 posted on 01/14/2006 12:37:17 PM PST by SmithL (Jerusalem, Jerusalem, Lift up your gates and sing, Hosana in the highest! Hosana to your King!)
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To: saquin
A local cleric, Maulavi Liaqat, was at the dinner, but he left around midnight, the official said.

Good timing. I am certain he had another late night dinner to go to.

5 posted on 01/14/2006 12:40:19 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: Dog

We're to the point of reading Zawahiri's social calendar . . .


6 posted on 01/14/2006 12:40:33 PM PST by Cap Huff
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To: llevrok
We are sorry about the collateral damage.

I'm not. They are openly aiding and abetting terrorists.

7 posted on 01/14/2006 12:41:18 PM PST by EricT. (Join the Soylent Green Party. We recycle dead environmentalists....Thanx to Kenny Blankenship!)
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To: saquin

Take the baklava, leave the high explosives.


8 posted on 01/14/2006 12:41:58 PM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: SmithL
US does what it must and the Pakistani Government officially complains about it.

Plan A

10 posted on 01/14/2006 12:46:27 PM PST by alrea
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To: Semper Paratus

Take the baklava, leave the high explosives.




ROTFLMAO

Good one, Clemenza

Mr Liaqat, before the barrage,"Yo, Dr. Z, I gotta go take a leak"


11 posted on 01/14/2006 1:01:26 PM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: saquin

I wish they had waited just a little longer and gotten Zawahiri while he was on the crapper.


12 posted on 01/14/2006 1:02:22 PM PST by gotribe (Hillary: Accessory to Rape)
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To: saquin

So, was the "intended target" just a cover to justify a bombing requested by the Pakistani's?


13 posted on 01/14/2006 1:02:35 PM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: saquin

Could someone take a look at the photo on the left of the
article. The caption is:

"Pakistani men with the remains of a missile fired at a house in the Bajur tribal zone near the Afghan border."

Does this look like a missile? If they were targetted by Predators, then I would have thought they'd have been hit by Hellfire missiles. This doesn't look like a Hellfire.


14 posted on 01/14/2006 1:04:12 PM PST by james500
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To: james500; Squantos; Travis McGee; Jeff Head; Coop; Cap Huff
James I was wondering the same thing. What kind of warhead is this .


15 posted on 01/14/2006 1:06:01 PM PST by Dog (When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris.)
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To: Dog

Which one? ;-)


16 posted on 01/14/2006 1:07:42 PM PST by Cap Huff
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To: Cap Huff

LOL!


17 posted on 01/14/2006 1:08:19 PM PST by Dog (When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris.)
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To: Dog

Looks like artillery


18 posted on 01/14/2006 1:09:30 PM PST by james500
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To: james500

I think its an arty shell.


19 posted on 01/14/2006 1:09:41 PM PST by DeusExMachina05
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To: Dog

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1558187/posts


20 posted on 01/14/2006 1:09:53 PM PST by debg
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To: Dog

arty. Not ours.


21 posted on 01/14/2006 1:14:31 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

You sure? It looks similar to one of our M650 203mm rounds.


22 posted on 01/14/2006 1:16:19 PM PST by james500
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

Why in God's name are we allowing NYT crap furnished by Al Jeezeera to be published as if it is Gospel?

Anyone can sprinkle clothing over rubble and declare that the US murdered innocent non-combattants.

Why are we dignifying this idiocy?


23 posted on 01/14/2006 1:19:55 PM PST by CBart95
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To: james500

Sorry, I meant not a Hellfire. Not a 155 either. I am not real up on old Soviet-era ordinance, but it looks like a duck.


24 posted on 01/14/2006 1:20:42 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: CBart95
Why are we dignifying this idiocy?

Maybe you missed something. I am ridiculing Reuters and the AP. Viciously, ruthlessly, and mercilessly. They can not ask a pertinent question, and drag up photo's of weddings and group shots with their best anti-American drivel captioning. Yahoo even has a 10 year old girl with a nasal tube and dried blood on her face. Taken 3 days ago. They just can not let facts get in the way of "news".

25 posted on 01/14/2006 1:26:36 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: Dog

Appears to be a U.K. M107 , 155MM HE round but the depth of the pic with it on the wall and the old raghead behind the wall suggest something bit smaller like a Yugoslav 122MM M462 or M76 HE round.......just a SWAG of course ......:o)


26 posted on 01/14/2006 1:31:04 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: CBart95
The latest from AP: A counterterrorism official said that if al-Zawahri were killed, which is not yet known, it would be a devastating blow to al-Qaida. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the information.

Somebody big got captured or killed.

27 posted on 01/14/2006 1:32:27 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: Gordongekko909

The "noose is tightening"? That's horse excrement. 9/11 was 4 and a half years ago and we're just starting to "tighten the noose."

If Bush fails to bring OBL and Zawahiri to justice during his term of office it will be one of the big strikes against his legacy, which I have every reason to believe will be fairly impressive otherwise.


28 posted on 01/14/2006 1:36:24 PM PST by Boston Republican
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To: Boston Republican

Apparently, we're operating in the open in Pakistan right now. That's better than the covert stuff we were doing before. Nothing against covert ops, but that kind of warfare is a cyanide-loaded syrigne, not a broadsword. OBL will be a lot easier to find if we don't have to worry about being seen over there.


29 posted on 01/14/2006 1:49:32 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Boston Republican

As President Bush said just last week, "We're on the Hunt!"

I guess he means, "We're on the Hunt!"....


30 posted on 01/14/2006 1:53:15 PM PST by Prost1 (Sandy Berger can steal, Clinton can cheat, but Bush can't listen!)
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To: llevrok

I am sure this raid was carried out with Pak collaboration, perhaps even at Pak behest. The government should probablydo some perfunctory handwringing about the "illegal" incursion for domestic consumption.


31 posted on 01/14/2006 1:53:23 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: Dog

155 mm arty?


32 posted on 01/14/2006 1:55:08 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: Boston Republican

OBL has most likely met his justice a long time ago in Afghanistan. ElZ is just the next in a line.


33 posted on 01/14/2006 1:56:45 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: Gordongekko909
The noose is tightening around ol' OBL.


34 posted on 01/14/2006 1:59:13 PM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: saquin
In a statement, Pakistan's Foreign Ministry condemned the loss of civilian lives.... Local officials in the Bajaur district, where the airstrike happened, said 18 civilians had been killed in the attack, including six children.... Eight people, including women and children, were reported killed on Jan. 7 when missiles destroyed the house of a local cleric in North Waziristan close to the Afghan border....

There have been a number of incidents of civilian deaths in failed or misdirected American attacks in Afghanistan and along the border with Pakistan. In July 2002, dozens of Afghans at a wedding party were killed in an American bombing raid.... In December 2003, nine children and a 25-year-old man were killed in a strike from a Predator in Hutala, a village in a remote area of southern Ghazni Province....

The writers sure like to bang the drum about civilian casualties -- but only when they're caused by us, not by terrorists.

35 posted on 01/14/2006 1:59:55 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: llevrok
the collateral damage

Everybody there knew they were entertaining Alqaida persons. If the women had their children there they must share in the results. Best stay at least shrapnel distance away from Alqaida types.

36 posted on 01/14/2006 2:00:45 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: Dog

152mm Soviet


37 posted on 01/14/2006 2:04:57 PM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: Dog
Artillery shell. Even my wife recognized that it wasn't a "missile".

The NYTimes got scammed. Again.

Simple ignorance? Or simple malice?

Both?

38 posted on 01/14/2006 2:13:49 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Dog
What kind of warhead is this.

Its an artillery shell. Looks like its been fired.

I don't think this is what was used to strike the building. This shell was probably in the building when it was hit by a hellfire. The militants may have salvaged "dud" artillery shells they intended to modify into IEDs or use as a source of raw explosives.

39 posted on 01/14/2006 2:43:26 PM PST by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: llevrok

When you lay down with dogs, you get fleas.---And Bombed


40 posted on 01/14/2006 3:09:16 PM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Boston Republican

A couple of thoughts:

How long did Randolph avoid capture? And he never left the US.

OBL could be dead. An NRO writer says hed died last December according to off the record Iranian sources. If he was/is in Iran killing him is probably not possible.


41 posted on 01/14/2006 3:58:03 PM PST by don'tbedenied ( D)
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To: saquin

let me get this straight:

- there was a planned dinner with AZ, and US intel found out about it
- this cleric had a dinner invite with AZ
- he attended the dinner, left at midnight, then returned immediately after the airstrike

I think there might be some cleric who is $25 million dollars richer tonight.


42 posted on 01/14/2006 4:04:52 PM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview

I think the same thing.


43 posted on 01/14/2006 5:01:51 PM PST by Dog (When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris.)
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To: Mad_as_heck
The photo URL is
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/01/14/international/worldspecial/14cnd-afghan.184x250.jpg
Why would a so called Paki photo have afghan in it's URL?
44 posted on 01/14/2006 6:58:33 PM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: ASA Vet
That is an excellent question. Maybe cuz its in the Afghan theater of the war? Or its a "file photo." The mind of the NYT is hard for the non-liberal to fathom.

I'm also thinking: If we killed all these innocent civilians where are the disturbing atrocity photos? I don't think the Pakistanis or NYT would miss that sort of opportunity to drum up anti-US sentiment. Has anyone seen any photos to back up other aspects of the story?

IHMO the jury is still out till we hears something definitive from our side.

45 posted on 01/14/2006 7:23:02 PM PST by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: SmithL
Joint operations are ALWAYS just a little too late, due to advanced warnings. Therefore, the US does what it must and the Pakistani Government officially complains about it.

FYI: Joint operations are between U.S. branches of service, whereas combined operations are between different countries.

46 posted on 01/16/2006 4:19:13 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: EricT.
I'm not. They are openly aiding and abetting terrorists.

Yes, I'm sure the six children were openly aiding and abetting the terrorists. Good grief, get a grip. Given that culture, I doubt any female victims had any say in the matter, either.

47 posted on 01/16/2006 4:20:38 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Boston Republican
The "noose is tightening"? That's horse excrement. 9/11 was 4 and a half years ago and we're just starting to "tighten the noose." If Bush fails to bring OBL and Zawahiri to justice during his term of office it will be one of the big strikes against his legacy, which I have every reason to believe will be fairly impressive otherwise.

Go away.

48 posted on 01/16/2006 4:23:12 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Coop
Yes, I'm sure the six children were openly aiding and abetting the terrorists.

Just so you know, I wrote that post before the dead were identified. My sympathy for the children lies mainly with the poor kids being born into and raised by a bunch of midieval tribesmen that aid and abet known terrorists instead of being born into a modern free society.

BTW, you can save your righteous indignancy for someone else who might care what you think.

49 posted on 01/16/2006 5:34:51 AM PST by EricT. (Join the Soylent Green Party. We recycle dead environmentalists....Thanx to Kenny Blankenship!)
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To: EricT.

I have no doubt that you care little about anything not revolving directly around EricT.


50 posted on 01/16/2006 5:41:56 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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