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Tick... tock... is it the 18th yet? BadJoe's promised Exposť on JimRob (vanity)
LibertyPost | The 18th of October, a date that shall live in infamy | AUTHORED by BADJOE

Posted on 10/18/2003 6:01:26 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

It is with a very heavy heart I am writing this.

A little about me first. I am sixty six years old. I have been told since I was a kid I wouldn't live past forty, because of a supposed heart condition.

Somehow I beat those doctor's predictions by 26 years so far, not by being careful, but by living to the fullest. You know "Eat, Drink, and be Merry. For tomorrow you may Die". The Lord knows I have had a really full life.

I made a few changes because of my condition. I gave up going to medical school and went to Optometry school because I figured the work would be less stressful, and it was.

I finished my schooling in 1959 and became a truly political person in 1960 after paying taxes that spring on my income of only three and one half months of private, solo, cold turkey start up practice in 1959. I was astounded at how much my government wanted from an up to his ears in debt damn kid.

I set out to find out what was wrong with my country. Somehow luck brought me to two books, "Atlas Shrugged" (Time magazine, which I subscribed to for my waiting room, did an article on its author, Ayn Rand), and "The Mainspring of Human Progress" by Henry Grady Weaver. These two books set me on my life's course. Over the years since I have given a thousand of these books to anyone who will accept them. I consider these two books as the most important any American could read. In fact if every high school student of the last forty years had read the "Mainspring," socialist thought would have been dead in our country twenty five years ago.

I was a hard Goldwater worker in ‘64 and a presidential elector for Wallace in 1968. Not because of the race thing, which I never have supported, but because of the 10th amendment position of the movement. I also considered both Nixon and Humphrey to be socialists.

Since I didn't expect to live long enough to get rich. I did what I could to advance the cause of liberty with what time and money I had. Some successes were there to be had.

The Goldwater/American Independent Party movement of the 60's set the stage for the Reagan miracle, and that set the stage for the 94 congressional elections. Both of these occurrences were big advances for the philosophy I held.

In 1996 the only thing I knew about computers was how to spell the word. After a personal injury in July that year, I had to lie down for nearly a year. During that time my son carried a computer in and said "well Dad. you've got nothing else to do". I already was a news junkie and this wondrous gadget allowed me to read damn near every newspaper in the country. By the fall of 97 I found the "Whitewater Pages" and FR, from a link on Drudge. I had learned about the Drudge Report from the TV news shows I was watching.

I signed up on FR in February 98, I am number 1697. After being nearly alone in the battle for liberty for many years, at last I had found hundreds and then thousands of kindred spirits.

In July 98 I needed to go to California and wrote to Clinton's a Liar and said I wanted to meet some Freepers. She put up a thread "Badjoe's coming to LA. Let's Party" I was picked up by Freeper Willa Johns. We went to the Cheese Factory restaurant that evening, where I met BobJ, Alygirl, NavyVet, and a few others. Most of us spent the night at Cal's home and the next day we all drove to Fresno to meet JimRob. At that time there were maybe between 4,000 and 5,000 Freepers to the best of my memory.

It was the 4th of July weekend and we had a great day in the park. Besides those I have already mentioned, Dale Reed and his Missus were there as was KG9kid. There were a few others but I don't remember their names. A couple of folks were from the San Francisco area.

Over Labor Day weekend in 98 BobJ arranged another get together of the LA area Freepers with a bus tour of the Reagan and Nixon libraries. I came back out here from Kansas for that weekend. This time there were 30 some Freepers on the trip. The sense of family and camaraderie was amazing. It was during this trip I decided to move to California from Wichita, Ks to help this movement grow and to be among my new found friends.

In October some Philadelphia teamsters roughed up a Freeper for protesting Clinton. JimRob decides he is going to go to DC and protest the President. In three weeks time 5,000 Freepers went along with him. That was 5,000 out of a total of about 15,000 registered Freepers. It was The March for Justice. I was one of the 5,000. I met One Who Knows there. Mike Galutia, A GreatPer, GinnyMac (more about GinnyMac later), most of what was to become the DC Chapter, and many, many others who's names I no longer remember. I considered that gathering to be the greatest group of Liberty loving, intelligence, since our founding fathers had met in Philadelphia in 1776. It was a magnificent occurrence. Does anyone think FR could ever get 5,000 Freepers to gather together anywhere for anything anymore?

In December 98 I made the move and by January Bob J asked me to take over FreepStuff, which I did. FR got a cut of what I sold. I bought most all the T-shirts, Ball Caps, Jackets, Bumper stickers, Posters, etc., out of my pocket. When the LATimes/Washinton Post lawsuit hit, JR all but shut FreepStuff down to bolster the idea that FR was not a money making enterprise, as part of the defense strategy. I had $3,000 or $4,000 worth of merchandise on hand at the time and swallowed it without complaint.

Ultimately I gave it all to a Freeper in Utah, I think, who was willing to try to revive it.

During 1999 BobJ ask me to handle incoming donations and told me we needed $500 or $600 a month to pay the for bandwidth for FR. I'd put up a small appeal every month and usually we got the funds needed. My memory may be failing me here as we may have needed a couple of thousand dollars each month.

Two really big things happened in December 1999.

#1 BobJ gathered together a few of us locals (I think JR was there too) and some Freepers from across the country, one from as far away as Michigan. We sat through a long Saturday and Sunday drawing up corporation papers for three FR entities, The Forum, The FR Network, and the FR Institute. They were to have interlocking boards of directors and work to save our countries liberty from different directions.

The Forum would remain as it was and would be used as a breeding ground for the talent for the other two.

The Network's goal was to de-fund the left and neutralize the media through political action.

The FR Institute was to work on college campuses and high schools, though speakers on "Limited Constitutional Governments" and the "Benefits of a Free Marketplace". We envisioned ultimately we'd have "Liberty Scholarships" available to deserving high school students through a national essay contest.

The FR Institute was my primary interest.

The FR Network corporation is the only one of the three that got formed. The Forum remained in Jim's LLC.

#2 Big event was Freeper Vermonter suggesting we do a fundraiser once a quarter, and he was very instrumental in kicking off the first big fundraiser. We raised $15,000 in eight days. That was December 99

In March of 2,000 we went for $20,000 Freepers 2ndMostConservativeBrdmbr and Topaz jumped in big time to help and we made the goal in about 11 days.

Buoyed by success I decided to go for $40,000 in June of 2,000. BobJ and others thought I was going for too much. I said we won't know unless we try. We made it in just under 10 days. During this time frame We had many overloads on the server. I knew we needed better equipment and bigger service. I talked with Jim and tried to get a feel for how much he needed to live on and what it would take to upgrade. He said he needed $5,000/month. Not wanting him to live hand to mouth so to speak I said hell take $6,000/mo I'll get us the money. Please keep in mind folks that I had never been involved with fundraising before my experience with FR.

As equipment and server expense kept getting higher, we kept raising the goal. We went for $70,000 $80,000 and one time we tried for $100,000. We didn't make that one but did get in about $93,000 I think. After 18 days I thought the fundraising team had had enough.

Up till May of 2,002 I had little or nothing to do with the inner workings of FR’s forum. However. I was part of the newly formed Orange County Chapter.


Some not so good things were going on behind the scenes that I later learned about. I knew we had established a moderator system. I only knew who one of them was as he withdrew from helping with the fundraising and wanted me to know he had been asked to take on new duties. He didn't tell me he was becoming a moderator, but it was easy to figure out.

In April of 2,002 I received an e-mail from JR stating that he was going to assert his belief that we should only elect Republicans in order to get conservative court appointments. I answer that it was fine for him to take that position, but that if he tried to force the Forum that direction it would be a disaster.

By the middle of May monthly cancellations started rolling in. Banned Freepers were writing me everyday. When I would question the reason for a particular banning I got answers like."He was on my s**tlist anyway". About a banned couple he said " They were not who I thought they were, so I banned them anyway" I could not make rhyme or reason out of his answers and said so.

I think out of frustration with my questioning JR gave me access to the moderator pages, This was just before the June 2,002 fundraiser, and I was too busy to pay any attention those pages. After the fundraiser was over, I went back and read every post on the Moderator page and every post on the abuse page, so I could get a handle on what they were doing.

From the beginning of the moderator program in the fall of 2,001 till March of 2,002 things seemed to be going pretty smoothly. JimRob rarely posted on the abuse page. Then whammo! Moderators #5 (Magnum), I later learned that this was Ms AntiFeminazi and Mod.#9 (Dales) ripped into Diotima, who is Jewish and Mercuria calling them anti semites, etc., This went on for hours. I also later learned that the Lead Moderator had withdrawn at this time for personal reasons. JimRob was now all over the abuse page and he let this crap go on.

I also learned that MsAntiFeminazi had said she wanted to be the next Connie (Clinton's a Liar) ie: she wanted to be the closest Freeper to JR. When this info got out, everyone thought it was Diotima who said it. Diotima kept quiet and took the heat. In fact she took so much heat that MsAntiFeminazi thanked her for doing it. My opinion is that MsAntiFeminazi thought the way to Jim was through BobJ. Diotima was in the way and hence the anti-Semite attack. MsAntiFeminazi talked with BoBJ on the phone a lot as she does JimRob, and this is where she dishes her dirt with sly innuendos. I think she thinks she is Mata Hari. She must destroy anyone who gets in her way.

Sidelight: On the 9th or 10th of June 2,002 I get an email or FreepMail from MsAntiFeminazi telling me she has a check from a Texas Freeper for $100.00 that was to help with the expenses of the FR booth at the Texas Republican convention, but that it was written to the FreeRepublic. She wanted to know if I could negotiate a check written to FR. From the Freepstuff days I had FR named on my account, so I told her I could do that, and if she gave me her name and address I would send her a check for $100.00 and those checks would cross in the mail and she would get the money quicker. She then said Oooops1 the check isn't signed, so she'd have to contact the Texas Freeper. I said I'd send her $50.00 anyway to help with the expenses and I did it. I did Not know MAF was a moderator at this time.

Now since she was talking with JimRob everyday on the moderator pages and communicating by phone with him frequently, why in hell did she not ask Jim to handle the check problem? I was in the middle of the June Freepathon when this occurred and everyone was still on very friendly terms. Was I being set up somehow? I don't know, but it sure doesn't smell right.

After the June Freepathon was over the monthly cancellations started coming in again. At the time the monthlies were at $7,700 with about 425 monthly donors even after having lost over a thousand dollars worth. The bannings also accelerated. I posted on the mod page a plea for them to put some anesthetic 0n their itchy trigger fingers. I told them I did not want to make their job harder and I'd appreciate their not making my job harder either.

In order to occupy their time I got them into an argument about anarchy on the Mod page. Ms AntiFeminazi and Dales would cut and paste thousands of words from left wing anarchist websites to counter my argument that the classical definition of anarchy was zero government. Because neither of them could carry the argument with their own words, I deduced they were not too bright. I did have a reasonable discussion with both Logos and WImom on that thread. Dales was recently kind enough to post that thread in "The Smokey BackRoom. Thank you Dales. The thread basically ended with MsAntiFeminazi telling me we were not on the same side and calling me a leftist. I fired back that she didn't have the intelligence, temperament or skill to be a moderator and should get out of there.

Within minutes I received a note from JimRob telling me that MsAntiFeminazi was such a great help to him and that I had reduced her to tears and to please apologize. I did do that for Jim, though I have never received an apology for her calling me a leftist.

I want everyone to know that the other mods rarely banned anyone. MAF and Dales perused other websites and reported on the abuse page anything any Freeper said on any other website. They made book on the Freepers. They assigned the worst possible reason to any statement anywhere and used it to ban Freepers.

I complained to Jim at every instance. In a few cases I did save the Freeper at least temporarily. Mostly I was met with "They are doing what I want them to do". I did not want to believe him. I couldn't believe he couldn't see what was happening. The monthlies kept going away.

When the number one Freeper on the monthly donor list, who was also our biggest monthly donor notified me by FreepMail to stop the donation, I got really uptight. I immediately notified Jim without naming her. He said curtly “ XXXXXX is a friend of Connie’s” This happened so fast I wondered if he was reading my FreepMail. I had been warned by a mod to not say anything via FreepMail that I did not want JR to know. I am not making the accusation that he reads others FreepMail, but I am sure he can if he wants to.

In frustration I finally took it to the Freepers with threads "If Only" "When do you Quit", "Can This Freeper be Saved" and probably a few I have forgotten about.

I learned from others who could read the abuse page, that when MAF and Dales were on the baord, no other moderator did anything. Those two would take over.

Jim told me the Lead Moderator picked the mods. NOT true. Jim insisted on MAF and Dales. I am sure the Lead Moderator wrote the letters asking them to be on the board as Dales has said.

On one of my threads I said banning Libertarians was a matter of policy. Jim denied it. I saw Jim post on the abuse page that they were to ease up on the Libertarians.

As late as May of 2002 The Network was in the process of putting Jim on the board (Remember our three corporations with interlocking directors) I thought the original plan was still in effect. I thought we were still all in it together and on the same team.

By July of 2,002 there was a noticeable terror stalking the threads. The bannings continued. I tried to tell JimRob that the forum was being dumbed down. By banning some of the people who presented opposite points of view, he was depriving the Freepers of the opportunity to hone their debating skills. I was fearful that we reach the point were we were only preaching to the choir. My point was to let the Freepers handle it.

I am happy the mods outed themselves. I hope the Freepers who get treated unfairly now complain directly to some of these mods, and I hope they get better answers than I got from JimRob.

John Huang2 and Kattracks do a magnificent job and perform a great service to FR by all the articles they posts. I commend them.

I do not want them to quit being mods. The idea that I wanted all the mods to quit comes from Ms AniFeminazi. I could still read the abuse page when she posted this charge. It is NOT true.

The GinnyMac story. GinnyMac is/was an Orange Couty Lurker/Freeper who attended the March for Justice, The House Managers dinner, and gave at least a $100 during every Freepathon. However she never registered till Willa talked her into doing so in 2,000 I think. She has never posted. She no longer can log in. She wrote to Jim about it and has never received an answer. Jim says no one has been knocked off the forum that didn't deserve it. What did GinnyMac do Jim?

Willa and I did thousands of hours of work to handle the donations/and the Freeper Ball money. Willa still donates to FR. Jim and I never had any problems till some of the mods got out of control.

When I found Jim in 1998 he was in dire financial straights. I did what was necessary to see to it that he became well fed. Did he bite my hand? I sure think so.

I do not want FR to go down. I do want it to get cleaned up. I want FR to once again gain the sense of purpose and camaraderie. Unfortunately I do not think this is possible with Jim at the helm.

Towards the end BoBJ worked out an agreement between Jim and I.

Jim and I would each appoint five moderator overseers. Freepers were to be given the benefit of the doubt. Banned Freepers could appeal to this board of overseers.

Jim posted this agreement on the abuse page to the moderators.

MAF went ballistic and posted my nastygram to her on the abuse page. I informed the Network board of Jim's posting of the agreement.

I sent the network Post to the one moderator who had admitted to understanding the problems.

She sent it to JR and within one hour Jim recinded the agreement, threw me off the mod pages along with another Network observer of the mod pages and he told me NO NETWORK PERSON would ever be allowed on there again.

Obviously we were no longer in it together.

Three more final points.

When Jim canned Mercuria from the moderator board he told her he was cutting back on the number of moderators. He did NOT have the courage to tell her she was the only one being removed.

The ability to read the pulled posts was very nice. After Jim took me off the mod pages I told him I'd still help with getting the monthly people to transfer to the new system. I asked that I be allowed to read the pulled posts. He said he do it. When it didn't happen for a while I asked again. He told me that was the very next thing on John's agenda. When it still didn't happen and I asked again, he said he changed his mind. This was the last straw for me and is the day I withdrew from posting on FR.

The moderators do have bunker mentality. Their attitude is "It is us against them" The them are the Freepers.

My conclusions.

One cannot rely on Jim to tell the truth.

Freepers are not given the benefit of the doubt.

There is no review process of Moderator action.

Jim does not have any principles or convictions

Jim is not an honest nor an honorable man.

Jim is not a man of his word.

FR has outgrown his ability to handle it.

Jim says he loves me like a brother.

Right! Like Cain loved Abel.

Finally, while I am down on JR and some of the mods I still recommend FR to many people. I do not speak ill of the Freepers. They are great.

I still cling to the hope that FR will get straightened out. I do not think it can or will happen with Jim at the helm.


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1 posted on 10/18/2003 6:01:26 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
Some grapes get particularly sour.
2 posted on 10/18/2003 6:05:44 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, I don't know what to say. Connie left and called me all kinds of names on the way out and accused me of being unprincipled, dishonest and in over my head and all sorts of similar things. Brian left and basically did the same thing. Navigator, Mojo & Co, left and spent years bashing Jim and FR. Lucianne called me a "mean shit." Drudge pulled his link to FR because we're so bad. And hundreds of trolls and assorted bannees have said the same thing. The Washington Post, the LATimes, the City of Fresno Human Relations Commission, Peace Fresno, and liberals and anarchists the world over have attacked me and called me all kinds of names and accused me of all sorts of ugly things.

Now Joe.

Guess it must all be true. LOL


Jim
3 posted on 10/18/2003 6:06:09 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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OK - I admit it - I'm a Mod!


4 posted on 10/18/2003 6:09:03 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Jim Robinson
Time to get rid of the FReepathons!
5 posted on 10/18/2003 6:09:36 PM PDT by deport (The Many, The Proud, The Winners)
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To: Jim Robinson
Distractions, distractions, distractions. Ah...for the Prodigy days (when I was a lurker, LOL)

Really this was too much for me to play with at the moment...I'm too busy helping to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America.

And having fun doing it...HOO YAH!

As far as I can see the only statement in the ramble I agree with was something about FR growing too big....really it's grown bigger than any of us can imagine or hope to cope with, and I consider that a Good Thing.

prisoner6

6 posted on 10/18/2003 6:16:18 PM PDT by prisoner6 ( Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Memo to all, as some other FReeper once said:

Jim's house;
Jim's rules.

PS: Wipe your feet

Bottom line, if someone doesn't like Jim's rules, they can always try to start their own FR. GFL! :~)
7 posted on 10/18/2003 6:16:47 PM PDT by MindBender26 (For more news as it happens, stay tuned to your local FReeper Network station)
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To: MindBender26
The sad thing is, if I'd only ran the board the way Navigator and Mojo wanted me to, none of this would ever have happend. Well, no, if I'd only ran it the way One Who Knows and Arator wanted it run, none of this would've happened. Oops, or perhaps had I run the board the way Clinton's A Liar and Clarity wanted it run, none of this would've happened. Hmmmm.... well, to be sure, had I only run it the way BADJOE wanted me to run it, then FOR SURE none of this would've happened. Well... come to think of it, every day my email box is chock full of suggestions on how I should REALLY run this website.

FR. It had so much promise. Now it's nothing but chopped liver.

So sad.
8 posted on 10/18/2003 6:23:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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To: Senator Pardek
Bump
9 posted on 10/18/2003 6:24:01 PM PDT by findingtruth
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To: Jim Robinson
What a load!

Having known it was coming I bothered to read the entire rant. What a complete waste of time.

10 posted on 10/18/2003 6:24:09 PM PDT by South40 (My vote helped defeat bustamante. Did yours?)
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To: Jim Robinson
I do not know Jim Rob. He may be a very nice guy and he may be a jerk, for all I know. However, he has provided this forum and for that I am grateful.

I am sorry that there are some bad things going on behind the scenes, but that does not change the fact that he has given us the Free Republic forum and I will support him for that.

I hope that the divisions between Jim Rob and Badjoe can be healed. I will continue to support FR regardless of that outcome.

11 posted on 10/18/2003 6:26:42 PM PDT by arjay
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To: deport
How many active members are there? That times a ten or a twenty every year/quarter/month? Set up the same as a sign in and also makes the lib lurkers help foot the bill :>)))
12 posted on 10/18/2003 6:27:41 PM PDT by liberty or death
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To: Jim Robinson
FR. It had so much promise. Now it's nothing but chopped liver.

Excuse me...you forgot...

< /sarcasm >

prisoner6

13 posted on 10/18/2003 6:28:17 PM PDT by prisoner6 ( Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: Senator Pardek
No Spartacus, I'm a Mod!
14 posted on 10/18/2003 6:31:14 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (POW/MIA Bring 'em Home, Or Send us Back!! Semper Fi)
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To: Jim Robinson
...well damn...As an Orange County Freeper I have attended meetings at BadJoes home. That guy lived and breathed Free Republic and the message it stands/stood for. As usual, politics sucks.

CLEAN HOUSE AND CONTINUE TO MARCH!

15 posted on 10/18/2003 6:31:22 PM PDT by Khurkris (Scottish/HillBilly - Revenge is an Art Form for us. Ranger On...)
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To: Jim Robinson
re: chopped liver

Do not dispair. After going to co-workers' and friends' childrens' Bar Mitzvahs and Bat Mitzvahs for 35 years, I know chopped liver.

Truse me; This isn't chopped liver. This is Prime Rib!

16 posted on 10/18/2003 6:33:55 PM PDT by MindBender26 (For more news as it happens, stay tuned to your local FReeper Network station)
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To: Jim Robinson
The mods do a great job, I have been on the receiving end of their moderating and although sometimes I disagree with what they have done, feel they do a good job.

As far as MAF and Dales go, I'm sure they are following your guidelines, or they would have been booted from moderating.

That being said, I still believe that mods should not be a secret (we see how well that has worked), and that they should be rotated from an in-house list of qualified FReepers that are willing to help and finally, while they are Moderators they should be prohibited from posting under their screenname, or from creating a secondary screenname for posting while wearing the moderator badge.

To me, a moderator is a referee, to allow the ref to play, and play as an unidentified ref, is not fair, and only creates a feeling of bias.

But the folks that are doing it now, do a great job and should be thanked, not slammed.
17 posted on 10/18/2003 6:35:05 PM PDT by Registered
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To: Jim Robinson
My conclusions:

1. Unless Badjoe has more intelligence than his writing shows, I don't know how he ever expected to get into medical school. The paragraph where he insults the intelligence of the moderators is laughable, considering how stupid some of his writing makes him appear.

2. Badjoe really, really dislikes MsAntiFeminazi.

3. It sounds as if Badjoe wanted to run the Forum, and when JimRob wouldn't let him, he decided to take what few marbles he had in the game and go home. When everyone else kept playing without him, he got really mad, and went back to spit in the ring where everyone else was playing.

Badjoe's first tantrums on FR seemed childish and unreasonable to me, and this one doesn't change my opinion of his behavior at all.

18 posted on 10/18/2003 6:36:19 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, this is all too bad. It is true that many of the most interesting Freepers are gone and there is less 'research' than there used to be, but I think a lot of that has to do with the fact Clinton is no longer President.

I don't go along with the new FR=Republican Party Annex and I haven't been banned yet.
19 posted on 10/18/2003 6:37:40 PM PDT by RJCogburn ("I want a man with grit."..................Mattie Ross of near Dardenelle in Yell County)
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To: Jim Robinson
I made an interesting discovery over on their site this last week - for the cause of possessing a contrary opinion and simply posting material supporting my position - they enforced a word limit on my account -

- how's that for a site that splintered off from here under the pretense of 'more liberty' for those wanting to 'discuss' various subjects?

Hypocrtitical to the nth degree I say ...

For all the ruckus I have created over here on FR, Jim, I have never been banned for my position on an issue ...

20 posted on 10/18/2003 6:37:48 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: liberty or death

I have no idea..... Distinct Posters each day

21 posted on 10/18/2003 6:38:00 PM PDT by deport (The Many, The Proud, The Winners)
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To: Jim Robinson
PS; After Echior, the Washington Pest and others, this is flea s**t.

Chin up. You are a great American.,,,, now if we could just get you to move out of the Peoples' Republic of California....
22 posted on 10/18/2003 6:38:16 PM PDT by MindBender26 (For more news as it happens, stay tuned to your local FReeper Network station)
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To: Jim Robinson
On the one hand some sort of moderation is necessary to maintain the character of the site--its family-friendliness and its political conservatism. Without that, what is the point? Without that, why would people read the threads?

OTOH moderation should IMHO allow some scope, at least, for Freepers to flex their muscles debating a limited number of less-than-conservative people, so be that they aren't abusive and/or presumptious. They, as we all, do post at the pleasure of the site management for the reasons noted above.

Whole thing puts me in mind of Baptist churches, which are notorious for developing splits and spinoff congregations. For similar reasons to what you are seeing--that is, for reasons that people not party to the split have a hard time understanding.

23 posted on 10/18/2003 6:38:34 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The everyday blessings of God are great--they just don't make "good copy.")
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Does this fall into the category of farewell "opus"?

I suppose BadJoe will continue as a lurker ... FreeRepublic is a hard habit to break. One that I will continue to indulge in.
24 posted on 10/18/2003 6:39:25 PM PDT by AngrySpud (Behold, I am The Anti-Crust (Anti-Hillary))
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To: Khurkris
CONTINUE TO MARCH!

That's it! No matter what our differences we have to stay united for the conservative cause. A splinter here, a splinter there...before you know it we've got a pile of sawdust...and socialism wins.

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Over my dead body! Now more than ever we've got to hold ranks...I'm even in favor of this thread getting pulled. Imagine the entertainment value to a DU'er or someone of that ilk!

prisoner6

25 posted on 10/18/2003 6:40:59 PM PDT by prisoner6 ( Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: Jim Robinson
I have been an active Freeper and donor for over 5 years, and have never run afoul of the mods or gotten threads pulled, etc. For those of us who "work hard and play by the rules" (ha!), Free Republic has been an oasis and a pleasure (and addiction, but that is another story ...).

There are periods when I've been a (temporary) ex-Freeper, particularly about 4 years ago when there were an overwhelming number of threads about how George Bush was a drug importer/dealer/pusher, etc., but I have always put my toe in the water to see if the forum had engaged in the periodic self-cleaning necessary as an organization goes from the brain child of one person to one serving thousands.

My great kudos and respect to you, Jim Rob, for making this an outpost of sanity (during the Clinton years), fellowship and friendship.

26 posted on 10/18/2003 6:41:28 PM PDT by HateBill
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To: Jim Robinson; BADJOE
My conclusions. One cannot rely on Jim to tell the truth. Freepers are not given the benefit of the doubt. There is no review process of Moderator action. Jim does not have any principles or convictions Jim is not an honest nor an honorable man. Jim is not a man of his word. FR has outgrown his ability to handle it. Jim says he loves me like a brother. Right! Like Cain loved Abel.

Badjoe: Assuming that everything you are saying is factual. Your conclusions do not support the facts. What you are basically describing is bad management practices that have allowed to much power to MAF, who you assert is bad for FR. From that it simply does not follow the nasty things that you conclude about JimRob.

27 posted on 10/18/2003 6:44:48 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Jim Robinson
This place sucks, That's why I'm here 6 to 8 hours a day

Thanks Jim

28 posted on 10/18/2003 6:47:34 PM PDT by MJY1288 (This is your tagline "Bush/Cheney04", this is your tagline on drugs "AnyOtherChoice/04")
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To: Jim Robinson
Oh, btw, promise us this will put an end to this saga so we can go back to our daytime Soap Operas for entertainment! PLEASE?!!!
29 posted on 10/18/2003 6:48:47 PM PDT by Registered
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To: JoeSixPack1
MoD

M.O.D.

30 posted on 10/18/2003 6:48:49 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Jim Robinson
Just a note from someone thats been kicking around here for a long time. I seldom post, donate when I can, but check in a half dozen times a day for the lastest news and information on the best conservative site on the web.

I thank Mr. Robinson for his efforts and hard work keeping this forum active, and suggest those upset with his work leave tonight.

Jim, you have a wonderful accomplishment here, and I thank you. Don't let a few spoil your well deserved success.

31 posted on 10/18/2003 6:52:43 PM PDT by FedUp
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To: MJY1288
This place sucks, That's why I'm here 6 to 8 hours a day

Gosh, thanks! Like I needed coffee through my nose at work tonight...plus my youngest son (prisoner6sson) who is with me tonight thought I was having some kind of attack...

In any case YES!

THANKS JR! AND GOD BLESS!

prisoner6

32 posted on 10/18/2003 6:52:55 PM PDT by prisoner6 ( Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: Jim Robinson
i still HATE IT when FRIENDS

end up hostile to one another or even 'merely' disenchanted with one another.

Life is so short and shared caring and values rare enough . . . it is just enormously sad to me.
33 posted on 10/18/2003 6:53:42 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT the lying, deceptive, satanic, commie, leftist, globalist oligarchy 1 friend, assoc at a time)
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To: Senator Pardek
A moderator exposed!


34 posted on 10/18/2003 6:54:00 PM PDT by South40 (My vote helped defeat bustamante. Did yours?)
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To: Registered
That being said, I still believe that mods should not be a secret (we see how well that has worked), and that they should be rotated from an in-house list of qualified FReepers that are willing to help and finally, while they are Moderators they should be prohibited from posting under their screenname, or from creating a secondary screenname for posting while wearing the moderator badge.
To me, a moderator is a referee, to allow the ref to play, and play as an unidentified ref, is not fair, and only creates a feeling of bias.
-Registered-






Well said, - and a good idea.

Needless to say, ideas like it were rejected out of hand shortly after the mods first became a problem.. No doubt they will be ignored now..
Which is a shame..

FR shoulda been a contender..

35 posted on 10/18/2003 6:54:05 PM PDT by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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To: Registered
daytime Soap Operas for entertainment

PASSIONS RULES! My hero is Julian and I have very...ummm...interesting dreams about redheaded Rebecca.

prisoner6

36 posted on 10/18/2003 6:55:03 PM PDT by prisoner6 ( Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: liberty or death
Not a bad idea to a point. I'd still hate to see truly needy conservatives not be able to post because of it.

Perhaps there'd be a clever way to encourage some sort of sliding scale?
37 posted on 10/18/2003 6:56:33 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT the lying, deceptive, satanic, commie, leftist, globalist oligarchy 1 friend, assoc at a time)
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To: MJY1288
This place sucks, That's why I'm here 6 to 8 hours a day

Yep.....sucks me right in too.

38 posted on 10/18/2003 6:56:37 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Registered
Sound like reasonable points worth careful pondering.
39 posted on 10/18/2003 6:59:01 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT the lying, deceptive, satanic, commie, leftist, globalist oligarchy 1 friend, assoc at a time)
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To: Jim Robinson
Sour grapes for sure. While Im sure BadJoes efforts were appreciated, the fact remains that it is JimRobs site. And he can do with it whatever he wants. The only mod action I have ever seen are the zotting of the trolls.(I love the fact they use "The Immigrant Song" as their anthem!) And one time when I used profanity regarding a guy who wore a "Suspected Terrorist" button at the airport. I objected strenuously to what this guy was doing and expressed my displeasure by calling him an a**h*le five times. The next day I got a freepmail from a mod telling they had pulled my posts because of profanity, and not to do it again. And I wont. The rules say no profanity, and I used it.It could have brought a banning I guess, but all they did was pull the posts and warn me. I hang here on this forum(If one can "hang" in cyberspace,) and couldnt imagine not having it. As a result Im a monthly donor. I guess the point Im trying to make is, when you are in someone elses house, you play by their rules..
40 posted on 10/18/2003 6:59:13 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Hillary and Clark rhymes with Ft Marcy park...)
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To: Howlin; DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; Chad Fairbanks; wimpycat; Catspaw; Poohbah; ArneFufkin; ...
Badjoe has an epiphany that the sniper hates cans.....
41 posted on 10/18/2003 7:01:31 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (...it's now the "Pedro is a punk" curse and it was levied by the gods of the baseball universe...)
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To: Registered; Jim Robinson
For what it is worth (nothing ;-) ), I think this is an excellent suggestion. The current moderator system seems very Star Chamberish to me. Your house, Mr. Robinson, your rules. I hope I'm not marked for death now. :-)

That being said, I still believe that mods should not be a secret (we see how well that has worked), and that they should be rotated from an in-house list of qualified FReepers that are willing to help and finally, while they are Moderators they should be prohibited from posting under their screenname, or from creating a secondary screenname for posting while wearing the moderator badge.

42 posted on 10/18/2003 7:02:44 PM PDT by Salo
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
a limited number of less-than-conservative people

Must explain why WhiskeyPapa gets to stick around after all these years

43 posted on 10/18/2003 7:02:45 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: prisoner6
MUCH AGREE ABOUT THE UNITY ISSUE.

Sigh.
44 posted on 10/18/2003 7:03:22 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT the lying, deceptive, satanic, commie, leftist, globalist oligarchy 1 friend, assoc at a time)
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To: Jim Robinson; sistergoldenhair
Bump; ping.
45 posted on 10/18/2003 7:03:47 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Jim Robinson
I followed BJs rants last year and this one confirms to me he needs to seek help before he does something really stupid and hurts himself...
46 posted on 10/18/2003 7:05:59 PM PDT by tubebender (FReeRepublic...How bad have you got it...)
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To: MindBender26
Jim's house, Jim's rules.
47 posted on 10/18/2003 7:07:31 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: deport
WOW!
48 posted on 10/18/2003 7:10:44 PM PDT by walden
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To: Amelia
3. It sounds as if Badjoe wanted to run the Forum, and when JimRob wouldn't let him, he decided to take what few marbles he had in the game and go home. When everyone else kept playing without him, he got really mad, and went back to spit in the ring where everyone else was playing.

That's almost exactly my impression as well.

Some people never manage to accept the fact that a) they're not in charge, b) the people who are in charge are going to do it differently than they would, and c) that doesn't make the people who are in charge evil/cruel/dishonrable/insane/stupid/powerhungry.

BadJoe seems to be suffering from a bad case of "how dare all of you not do it *my* way"...

Different people will have different priorities, concerns, and ideas, Joe. Learn to deal with it.

49 posted on 10/18/2003 7:11:05 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Jim Robinson
Hi Jim, thanks for posting this. Shows a lotta good stuff. I've been away in the Rockies and failed to make a pledge. I pushed the edge w/the whole recall deal and I'm doubling my last pledge. It'll be in the mail on Friday.

Hang tough and continue the struggle. When you seek prefection the only failure is lack of prefection.

50 posted on 10/18/2003 7:12:17 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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