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JFK's fatal head wound: The truth for those who want to know (very graphic)
jmasland.com & others | 11/22/03

Posted on 11/22/2003 5:10:59 PM PST by Wolfstar

The Zapruder film proves itself to be authentic. There is no possibility that any frames could have been cut out of the film or altered. Why/how? Every time a frame was exposed, part of the background scene was exposed onto both the next frame and the previous frame in the sprocket hole areas. This is because the sproket holes are between frames, as shown below:


The head shot, frame-by-frame:

Frame 312


Frame 313


Frame 313 enlarged:


Frame 314


Frame 315


Frame 316


Frame 317


Frame 318


Frame 319


Frame 320


The head wound:


The large flap of skull, skin and other tissue blown out above and just in front of the president’s right ear. The flap stayed attached and hung over the president's right cheek. On the ride to Parkland, Mrs. Kennedy attempted to put it back in place. What the doctors saw at Parkland was the wound partially closed with the shattered pieces at the top rear of the wound missing. Hence, some doctors recalled a wound in that area:



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KEYWORDS: 01nov1963; bang; diem; jfk; jfkhit; oswald
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Whether or not there was a conspiracy, the fact remains that the fatal shot came from the rear. Anyone who really wants to know the truth needs to begin by discarding the myth that the fatal head shot came from the front.
1 posted on 11/22/2003 5:11:00 PM PST by Wolfstar
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To: Wolfstar
Back, and to the left.
2 posted on 11/22/2003 5:12:06 PM PST by Petronski (I'm *NOT* always *CRANKY.*)
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To: Wolfstar
Don't forget the Nix film that shows the reverse view and shows a better view of the spray of bloody material going forward.
3 posted on 11/22/2003 5:13:25 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Wolfstar
the fact remains that the fatal shot came from the rear.

"Graphic" is right.
So, the other shot, which came from the front, was non-fatal?

4 posted on 11/22/2003 5:16:01 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard; Wolfstar
Here is the Nix footage:

It shows a shot from the rear better than Zapruder.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/hargis.rm

5 posted on 11/22/2003 5:19:46 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Wolfstar
So why do the official autopsy photos only show a small wound in the back of the head and not massive trauma as you show here and the neurosurgeon at Parkland (who should know as they see trauma all the time) stated that there was a small entrance wound in the front and the large exit wound in the back?
6 posted on 11/22/2003 5:21:48 PM PST by waRNmother.armyboots
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To: BlessedByLiberty; Colt .45; Concerned; farmfriend; kabar; keving; liberallarry; maestro; ...
Ping because of your interest in the subject on other threads this week.
7 posted on 11/22/2003 5:23:15 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: Petronski
Back and to the left because of the explosive quality of the exit wound in right front of the head. Look at the frames of the film.
8 posted on 11/22/2003 5:25:48 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: Lancey Howard
There is no shot that came from the front. The head wound was fatal. The wound in the back that exited through the president's throat may have been survivable.
9 posted on 11/22/2003 5:27:08 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: Wolfstar
Poor Jackie. No wonder she retreated to a Greek island with her children after Bobby Kennedy was shot. It's a wonder she didn't go mad.
10 posted on 11/22/2003 5:28:29 PM PST by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: Wolfstar
There was no conspiracy nor was there any cover-up.

Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone nut gunman.

He used a single magic bullet.

Who could argue with any of that?
11 posted on 11/22/2003 5:28:32 PM PST by martian_22 (A sea monkey has my money. P.Sherman 42 Wallaby Way Sydney)
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To: waRNmother.armyboots
First, it's not what I show, it's what happened. Look at the still frames from the Zapruder film. Look at the last photo posted, which is the extreme enlargement showing the head wound. Second, the official autopsy photos do not show just a small wound in the back of the head. There is a photo showing the small, round entrance wound in the back of the head, but other photos clearly show the damage to the right side of the president's head. No point arguing with me. The truth is right in front of you. If you want to remain blind to it, that's your problem.
12 posted on 11/22/2003 5:31:05 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: Wolfstar
The wound in the back that exited through the president's throat may have been survivable.

Mrs. Kennedy was tortured with regret that she had been looking the wrong way (left) when the first shot hit - she felt she might have saved him if she had quickly taken his body into her lap. The back brace he wore also served to keep him more upright, and a better target. A tragedy so horrible.

13 posted on 11/22/2003 5:31:51 PM PST by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: veronica
It's a wonder she didn't go mad.

Indeed. That she was able to lead a reasonably normal life and raise her kids so well after what happened is a tribute to her strength of character.

14 posted on 11/22/2003 5:33:14 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: martian_22
And the brains were on the back of the car because..........
15 posted on 11/22/2003 5:33:34 PM PST by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: martian_22
A site which addresses and debunks the Conspiracy Theories
16 posted on 11/22/2003 5:35:23 PM PST by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: Wolfstar
Not arguing with you. Just asking a simple question, regarding the evaluation of all twelve physicians including numerous neurosurgeons who cared for Kennedy at Parkland. I looked at the pictures and I see what you are saying. The only autopsy photos I have seen did not show the extensive damage, but only showed a small wound in the back of the head and I have watched all the shows that have been on this week on the history channel and other channels. There may be other autopsy photos that do show more damage, but I have not seen them.
17 posted on 11/22/2003 5:35:47 PM PST by waRNmother.armyboots
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To: martian_22
He used a single magic bullet.

No, actually, he didn't. There were three verified shots fired. One that missed, one that hit the president in the back and exited through his throat, and one that hit the president in the head.

The only thing I am trying to do with this thread is demonstrate the truth about the fatal head shot clearly for those whose minds are open to the truth. I do not argue for or against any conspiracy theory — only that those who believe a conspiracy existed should at least not twist the truth about the fatal head shot. It came from the rear and took out pretty much all of the upper right side of the president's head.

A well-meant conspiracy theory will try to make the theory fit the facts, not the other way around.

18 posted on 11/22/2003 5:39:12 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: martian_22
"He used a single magic bullet. "

Have you ever had a lucky shot or two?

I have - it amazed me. And I used to be a pretty good shot (20-30 years ago) rifle, pistol, shotgun.

My theory - Oswald got lucky. Never mind his Marine shooting training which provided a base (a damn good one) for him to build from.

Warren was right. Not perfect - right.
19 posted on 11/22/2003 5:39:54 PM PST by Bobibutu
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To: OldFriend
And the brains were on the back of the car because..........

The car was moving forward.
Jackie climbed onto the trunk to retrieve a bit of skull.

20 posted on 11/22/2003 5:40:10 PM PST by null and void (The evil is in plain sight, the danger increases with denial. - George W. Bush)
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To: waRNmother.armyboots
There are some incredibly graphic autopsy photos. Huge wound, lots of blood in the matted hair and brain matter hanging out of the skull. Sorry to be so explicit....
21 posted on 11/22/2003 5:40:55 PM PST by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: null and void
Jackie climbed onto the trunk to retrieve a bit of skull.

And that piece of skull was found in the street by a medical student. I've read most of the testimony in the Warren Commission. The conspiracy theories drive me nuts. It's like the OJ jury. So much evidence but people turn away from it. I don't get it!

22 posted on 11/22/2003 5:44:05 PM PST by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: leadpenny
Pinging you to the Zapruder film.
23 posted on 11/22/2003 5:45:53 PM PST by Lucy Lake
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To: Wolfstar
Oswald was the shooter in my view.

The intrigue surrounding he and Ruby will never be resolved.

Kennedy had some serious foes and they were angry no doubt but that doesn't prove anything. It does though take a bit of acceptance to believe that Oswald and Ruby both acted completely on their own although it is possible.

Kennedy himself is a mixed bag. Very flawed character but did show mettle at times. Funny that he is the liberals darling when in reality he was much more conservative by our standards and has little in common with his bloated Falstaff brother. Had Kennedy survived it is not a foregone conclusion he would have been reelected and may have gone down as young but more than a bit inept. All his personal shenanigans are pretty hard to fathom....very serious poor judgement.

His prevailing over Addisons and all those complications is remarkable though, treatment for endocrinological disorders back then was pretty primitive.

Krushchev thought him a chump and was mostly right.
24 posted on 11/22/2003 5:46:18 PM PST by wardaddy (we must crush our enemies and make them fear us and sap their will to fight....all 2 billion of them)
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To: OldFriend
I believe there were brains most everywhere all over the car because he was shot in the head by one or more bullets.
25 posted on 11/22/2003 5:46:18 PM PST by martian_22 ("who's going to clean-up this mess?")
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To: Wolfstar
This is an easy case made worse by whackos who can't handle ordinary truth. They have to make their own lives more exciting so they can vicariously get a thrill from it.

Oswald shot three times from the School book depository, killed Kennedy and wounded Connelly
26 posted on 11/22/2003 5:46:56 PM PST by Az Joe
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To: waRNmother.armyboots
Look at the Zapruder photos. It is as plain as the nose on your face. My God, grow up.
27 posted on 11/22/2003 5:48:22 PM PST by Az Joe
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To: Wolfstar
As my mother would say, "Ish!"
28 posted on 11/22/2003 5:49:01 PM PST by paulklenk (DEPORT HILLARY!)
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To: waRNmother.armyboots
Here is one (I've had trouble finding them on the 'net). You can see the deformation of the skull along the hairline on the right.


As I said, Mrs. Kennedy put the large flap of skull and skin back in place as best she could on the ride to Parkland. The doctors there saw him in that condition — in fact, approximately in the condition shown in the above photo. They were also both in shock and trying to save the man's life, although it was futile. Once the president was pronounced dead, all examination stopped. So it is understandable that what they saw was the missing area of skull at the left-most — meaning rear-most — portion of the wound. By the way, the throat wound was a small exit wound. The doctors enlarged it when they did a tracheotomy.

29 posted on 11/22/2003 5:50:30 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: veronica
"There are some incredibly graphic autopsy photos. Huge wound, lots of blood in the matted hair and brain matter hanging out of the skull."

I saw the autopsy photo that showed the right side of the head as a large "flap" folded over to cover the wound. Very wet and messy. I never saw a photo that had the "flap" folded down exposing the brain - it was obvious to me that massive damage had been done and that the entry was from the back. I'm not a Dr. but I have studied physics.
30 posted on 11/22/2003 5:50:57 PM PST by Bobibutu
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To: Wolfstar
These people are certifiable and you cannot ever change their minds. They have to have it be a conspiracy so they can have something to do with the limited amount of gray matter between their ears.
31 posted on 11/22/2003 5:50:59 PM PST by Az Joe
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To: OldFriend
And the brains were on the back of the car because..........

Physics? Note the applesauce sprayed backwards.


32 posted on 11/22/2003 5:52:10 PM PST by Ex-Dem (not just another brick in the wall)
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To: veronica
When you consider that Arlen Specter was involved in creating the magic bullet theory it's not too hard to be suspicious.
33 posted on 11/22/2003 5:52:21 PM PST by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: Bobibutu
I would have to agree with you 100%.

BTW, was anyone else in the limo injured? If so, how?
34 posted on 11/22/2003 5:52:35 PM PST by martian_22 ("Get Arlen. He'll do anything he has to.")
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To: Az Joe
You know you do not have to engage in personal attacks. I am asking a simple question. I looked at the film and I stated that I see what is being said. All I am asking is how do you think that 12 physicians several of which were neurosurgeons and all who gave sworn testimony that the entrance wound was in the front. Maybe there were just being too rushed by it all and their memory is impaired. Just think it is interesting.
35 posted on 11/22/2003 5:52:36 PM PST by waRNmother.armyboots
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To: Wolfstar
In the wax replica above, is that rod coming through the head supposed to represent the path of the projectile?
36 posted on 11/22/2003 5:53:11 PM PST by Vigilantcitizen
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To: Az Joe
whackos who can't handle ordinary truth

So true. Even when the truth is staring them in the face, they argue with it. Sigh.

37 posted on 11/22/2003 5:53:16 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: OldFriend
And the brains were on the back of the car because..........

Because of the wind? Judging from the stills, pieces of tissue flew way up, into the relatively still air above the top edge of the windshield. These would have been blown back (try tossing something light and small upward the next time you in a moving convertable; make sure you don't need to get it back).

Simple as that.

(steely)

38 posted on 11/22/2003 5:53:26 PM PST by Steely Tom
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To: Az Joe
Oswald shot three times from the School book depository, killed Kennedy and wounded Connelly

Oswald was seen by a police officer "calmly" having lunch on the second floor of the depository approximately 90 seconds after the shots. After his arrest Oswald said several times in answer to questions shouted by reporters, "I didn't shoot anybody."

39 posted on 11/22/2003 5:53:27 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: waRNmother.armyboots
Not for the squeamish
40 posted on 11/22/2003 5:55:25 PM PST by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: Wolfstar
Anyone who really wants to know the truth needs to begin by discarding the myth that the fatal head shot came from the front.

Just watched one of the pieces the local CH 4 produced on this event; all the local cops discount a conspiracy, discount the grassy knoll theories and point to Oswald on the sixth floor of the TSBD building as the shooter ...

41 posted on 11/22/2003 5:55:38 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: null and void
The motorcycle patrolman behind the limo was splattered with skull fragments and brains. The slow speed (15 mph) of the motorcade wouldn't account for that.

I'm not a forensic expert but I am a physician, with significant knowledge of bullet wounds, and if you watch the films, Kennedy recoiled backwards from the second shot. Some say that is a decerebrate reflex due to brain injury, I say decerebrate reflex occurs in 10-15 seconds not one.

42 posted on 11/22/2003 5:56:16 PM PST by CholeraJoe (Daddy, how many US soldiers have to die in defense of Freedom? Daughter, if necessary, all but 9.)
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To: Vigilantcitizen
Yes, isn't that obvious?
43 posted on 11/22/2003 5:56:20 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: Lancey Howard
No, that is not correct. Oswald was seen standing by an elevator where he had easily walked to after coming down form the sixth floor. Oswald was seen by several eyewitnesses in the sixth floor window.

Also, if I had shot the president I would say I didn;'t shoot anyone too.

Also, every question asked by the Dallas police that had to do with the rifle, Oswald answered with a lie, certain consciousness of guilt.

He knew that if he was connected up to the rifle he was cooked. On other matters he told the truth, but on anything concerning the rifle he lied and that is a proven fact.
44 posted on 11/22/2003 5:58:26 PM PST by Az Joe
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To: Lancey Howard
. After his arrest Oswald said several times in answer to questions shouted by reporters, "I didn't shoot anybody."

Oswald was liar of untold proportions; the local cops interviewed called him twisted and a screwball.

HIS OWN BROTHER, Robert Oswald, thinks he did it; AND he knows the 'upbringing' that partially contributed to that ...

45 posted on 11/22/2003 5:58:30 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: Wolfstar
Well said. One can still ponder a conspiracy (either on the front end or back end, or both) and still recognize the fact that clearly JFK was shot from behind.
46 posted on 11/22/2003 5:59:26 PM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: Wolfstar
Well said. One can still ponder a conspiracy (either on the front end or back end, or both) and still recognize the fact that clearly JFK was shot from behind.
47 posted on 11/22/2003 5:59:26 PM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: Wolfstar
I want to know who gives a sh**. After 40 years, the man is still dead. Was he murdered? Anybody who comes out with a book and says he can prove Johnson killed JFK is either lying, or stupid. If such evidence existed, wouldn't it have been more lucrative 39 years ago?

Quit posting this sh**. Who cares.

48 posted on 11/22/2003 5:59:31 PM PST by khenrich
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To: Az Joe
Mark Simone today on WABC in NY described something that I've never heard before: That the bone and brain matter being thrust forward from a rear, high powered shot is repeatable in the lab and is called "jetting". This makes sense given the energy introduced to the enclosed skull.

He also pointed out that the distance fron the window to the cars position on the street is no great distance. TV makes it look bigger than it is. The shot has ben BETTERED by amatures.
49 posted on 11/22/2003 5:59:33 PM PST by TalBlack ("Tal, no song means anything without someone else...")
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To: CholeraJoe
The motorcycle patrolman behind the limo was splattered with skull fragments and brains.

NOT all the skull fragments NOR all the brains.

The Zapruder film shows quite a 'spray' emnating in all directions ...

50 posted on 11/22/2003 6:00:20 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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