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JFK's fatal head wound: The truth for those who want to know (very graphic)
jmasland.com & others | 11/22/03

Posted on 11/22/2003 5:10:59 PM PST by Wolfstar

The Zapruder film proves itself to be authentic. There is no possibility that any frames could have been cut out of the film or altered. Why/how? Every time a frame was exposed, part of the background scene was exposed onto both the next frame and the previous frame in the sprocket hole areas. This is because the sproket holes are between frames, as shown below:


The head shot, frame-by-frame:

Frame 312


Frame 313


Frame 313 enlarged:


Frame 314


Frame 315


Frame 316


Frame 317


Frame 318


Frame 319


Frame 320


The head wound:


The large flap of skull, skin and other tissue blown out above and just in front of the president’s right ear. The flap stayed attached and hung over the president's right cheek. On the ride to Parkland, Mrs. Kennedy attempted to put it back in place. What the doctors saw at Parkland was the wound partially closed with the shattered pieces at the top rear of the wound missing. Hence, some doctors recalled a wound in that area:



TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: 01nov1963; bang; diem; jfk; jfkhit; oswald
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To: Wolfstar
Thanks Wolfstar. I also went to the internet and did actually find some rather explicit photos. Guess I never thought of them being on the "net" and only had what had been shown on the shows on TV. Guess that is why it is called the "boob" tube. Anyway, thanks for your info and patience and answering questions instead of just attacking me.
51 posted on 11/22/2003 6:01:03 PM PST by waRNmother.armyboots
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To: CholeraJoe
With all due respect, doctor, please look at the last, greatly enlarged frame in the series show above. Also look at the obvious skull deformation in the right front along the hairline in the autopsy photo. I would hope that, as a physician, you would clincally evaluate what you see.
52 posted on 11/22/2003 6:01:20 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: Wolfstar
If he had been hit from the front his face would have been damaged, but it really wasn't much at all. Nellie Connolly is on Larry King now, FYI.
53 posted on 11/22/2003 6:01:46 PM PST by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: Wolfstar
These conspiracy nuts should not be allowed to vote, marry adopt children, or sign contracts of law. maybe not drive either.

Serenlty now!
54 posted on 11/22/2003 6:03:11 PM PST by Az Joe
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To: _Jim
HIS OWN BROTHER, Robert Oswald, thinks he did it; AND he knows the 'upbringing' that partially contributed to that ...

Yep. So did Oswald's wife, until the conspiracy nuts gave her cover, and she recanted late in her life.

55 posted on 11/22/2003 6:03:35 PM PST by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: paulklenk; no one in particular
Do we really care who pulled the triger?

I think we are more concerned about the why, and who put the trigerman up to it.

IMHO - and it's just an opinion - it was Castro.

Kennedy tried to have Castro asassinated, and he merely returned the favor.

This would explain why whe don't have diplomatic relations with a country that is geographically our 4th closest neighbor.

We'll talk to Lybia, Iran, and Myamar but not 'Cuber', odd isn't it?...
56 posted on 11/22/2003 6:03:53 PM PST by null and void (The evil is in plain sight, the danger increases with denial. - George W. Bush)
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To: Wolfstar
There is a photo showing the small, round entrance wound in the back of the head

That photo is often cropped to remove the top of the image. The top of the image shows the latex-gloved hand of the autopsy doctor pulling the scalp back over the wound. It was done to show the location of the small hole made by the bullet through Kennedy's scalp. It of course covers the much larger gaping wound in the skull.

57 posted on 11/22/2003 6:04:00 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: veronica
Thanks for this link, Veronica. I'm going to reproduce one photo here — not to be gruesome, but to try to get the truth through to the doubting Thomases.
58 posted on 11/22/2003 6:04:07 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: veronica
It's a wonder she didn't go mad.

She did. But it was a pretty short trip.

59 posted on 11/22/2003 6:04:10 PM PST by IronJack
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To: TalBlack
Also, Oswald's view in the telescopic sight filled his whole field of vision. I am surprised he missed with the first shot although it was probably deflected by a branch.
60 posted on 11/22/2003 6:04:36 PM PST by Az Joe
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To: null and void
null and void to paulklenk; no one in particular

Hey, I resemble that remark!

61 posted on 11/22/2003 6:06:09 PM PST by paulklenk (DEPORT HILLARY!)
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To: Wolfstar
What really amazes me is that Dealy Plaza was apparently open to the public very soon after the shootings. You can see people crawling all over the place soon after and in the days folowing.

Nowadays they would have closed that whole place down for several blocks and gone over it inch by inch.
62 posted on 11/22/2003 6:06:39 PM PST by Az Joe
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To: FreedomCalls
SERENITY NOW!!!!!!!!!!
63 posted on 11/22/2003 6:07:13 PM PST by Az Joe
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To: CholeraJoe
I'm not a forensic expert but I am a physician, with significant knowledge of bullet wounds, and if you watch the films, Kennedy recoiled backwards from the second shot. Some say that is a decerebrate reflex due to brain injury, I say decerebrate reflex occurs in 10-15 seconds not one.

The physicist Luis Alvarez, who wrote an extensive report on the Zapruder film, showed that the backwards head movement can be explained by the forward ejection of brain matter. Alvarez is a Nobel Prize winner who worked on the atomic bomb.

64 posted on 11/22/2003 6:07:20 PM PST by wideminded
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To: martian_22
BTW, was anyone else in the limo injured? If so, how?

Gov. Connley was downstream of one of the bullets that passed through Kennedy. Got him in the back, upper arm and ended up in his wrist, IIRC.

65 posted on 11/22/2003 6:07:21 PM PST by null and void (The evil is in plain sight, the danger increases with denial. - George W. Bush)
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To: Wolfstar
Did you by chance see Unsolved History on the Discovery Channel this past week? The show attempted to prove or disprove the Warren Commission and the various conspiracies about Oswald's actions that day. They dealt with his getting the three shots off within X amount of seconds, whether he had enough time to stash the weapon and make it down to the 2nd floor lunch room, where he was confronted by an armed police officer, and the time frame involved with the route he took that led him to the confrontation with Officer Tippet. If you've never watched this series, I highly recommend it. They've recreated some pretty interesting incidents out of history, and have come up with some damn good findings. By the way, their recreations on Oswald's firing the weapon and his movements afterwards all aligned with what had been reported in the Warren Commission Report.
66 posted on 11/22/2003 6:07:48 PM PST by mass55th
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To: CholeraJoe; waRNmother.armyboots
As a physician, care to add to our knowledge of what we see here, CholeraJoe?


67 posted on 11/22/2003 6:08:10 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: waRNmother.armyboots
There may be other autopsy photos that do show more damage, but I have not seen them.


68 posted on 11/22/2003 6:09:01 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: HitmanNY
Thank you.
69 posted on 11/22/2003 6:09:21 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: veronica
"The conspiracy theories drive me nuts."

It's been the same way with the Lincoln Assassination. 138 years later and people are still arguing about how it all went down and who was actually involved.

70 posted on 11/22/2003 6:09:39 PM PST by mass55th
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To: paulklenk
LOL! I've got YOUR number!
71 posted on 11/22/2003 6:10:54 PM PST by null and void (The evil is in plain sight, the danger increases with denial. - George W. Bush)
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To: veronica
until the conspiracy nuts gave her cover, and she recanted late in her life.

I saw a bit about that tonight. I also see in a recent interview that Ruth Paine (who knew both Marina and Lee) still believes as she did back then (i.e., Oswald did it) ...

72 posted on 11/22/2003 6:12:05 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: waRNmother.armyboots; CholeraJoe
You are most welcome. Your questions are honest and reasonable ones. As you'll see, I posted the clearest color autopsy photo of the right side of the head here on this tread. Cholera Joe is a physician. Perhaps he can give us lay people more insight into what we see in the photo.
73 posted on 11/22/2003 6:12:22 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: Wolfstar

In this frame you can see the impact and the bullet exiting from the rear. In bullet wounds, alot of the carnage occurs upon impact. Especially in tangential impacts. The fact nevertheless remains that he recoiled from the front. Jackie didn't push him back, he was slammed back.

74 posted on 11/22/2003 6:15:55 PM PST by CholeraJoe (Daddy, how many US soldiers have to die in defense of Freedom? Daughter, if necessary, all but 9.)
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To: wideminded
Might the backwards motion of his head also have been partially due to the sudden acceleration of the car. If my recollection is even close to correct, as soon as the shots rang out the driver sped up quickly .... or so accounts were saying at the time. And it certainly makes sense.
75 posted on 11/22/2003 6:16:50 PM PST by kayak (The Vast, Right-Wing Conspiracy is truly Vast! [JohnHuang2])
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To: mass55th
No, I didn't see the Discovery Channel series, but thank you for bringing it to my attention. As I said, I'm not arguing for or against anyone's theories. It's just that it's long past time to put to rest the legend that the fatal shot came from the front.
76 posted on 11/22/2003 6:17:04 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: Wolfstar
I love the name-calling. Those who are against any conspiracy theory resort to personal attacks even though their is no way they will ever know for sure that they are right. Those who are pro-conspiracy theory also act as if they know for absolute sure. The fact is we don't know.
77 posted on 11/22/2003 6:18:51 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Wolfstar
"Yes, isn't that obvious?"

Well, I wanted to make sure before I brought up the following point. And before I get labeled a conspiracy theory wack job, I haven't formed an opinion conclusively either way.

But, I've stood in that window on the sixth floor, which is now a museum. I estimate the height of that window to be between 65 and 75 feet off the ground.

At that height, the angle of a projectile shot out of that window at that limo relative to horizontal would be at least 45 degrees, probably closer to 65 degrees.

That rod showing the alleged projectile path through the wax head is almost at a rise from back to front, relative to the head. At that entry point from the rear, a projectile coming from that high of an angle should have exited down around his eyes

I'm no pathologist, but when I shoot deer out of tree stands at the same angle, the exit wound is never higher than the entry point.

78 posted on 11/22/2003 6:19:00 PM PST by Vigilantcitizen
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To: veronica
Nellie Connolly is a very gracious woman who, like Mrs. Kennedy, has led an exemplary life despite the horror she lived through that day.
79 posted on 11/22/2003 6:19:11 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: OldFriend
Just a guess, head thrown forward with impact of shot hitting from behind. As in any "whip lash" scenario head with fling backward after being thrown forward causing remaining brain matter to be flung out. Vehicle still moving forward as well (granted not very fast) also what is the percentage deferential for brain matter forward and back? 70% forward 20% back, 10% vaporized?
80 posted on 11/22/2003 6:19:12 PM PST by KiaKaha
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To: null and void
Thanks for the concise description. I always wondered what the trajectory angle was at fairly close range from the 6th story though.
81 posted on 11/22/2003 6:24:16 PM PST by martian_22 (Arlen knows all. Not proven.)
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To: Vigilantcitizen
As I said, I won't argue for or against any theory. I would just urge you to take into account the relative positions of the objects in question: The window height and location. The way the president's head was bent forward and his body was somewhat slumped down and to the left after the shot to his back/throat, and so on. Look closely at the frame-by-frame scenes of the head shot above. Fit fact to whatever theory you have of the murder, not the other way around.
82 posted on 11/22/2003 6:28:25 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: CholeraJoe
This photo shows no such thing. Entrance wounds rarely show as much trauma as exit wounds. What the photo shows is hydrostatic shock causing the front right part of the skull to explode outwards.

If you watch the film or look at the photo sequence posted, you can see that JFK actually dips forward at the impact of the bullet, then recoils back.

Bullet impact will not move a man sized target much. I've shot Jackrabbits with large caliber rifles delivering over 3,000 ft/lb of energy. They rarely move much parallel with the bullets path. There will be a large pattern of spray around the impact area.

What the photos and the film show is a shot from the rear.

83 posted on 11/22/2003 6:29:02 PM PST by Double Tap
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To: Wolfstar
Thanks a lot for the ping! I would have missed this.
84 posted on 11/22/2003 6:29:18 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: Vigilantcitizen
He was leaned over grasping his neck. Have you not seen ANY of the Zapruder film?
85 posted on 11/22/2003 6:31:27 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: CholeraJoe
No one can see the bullet exit. It fragmented inside the president's head. ALL of the material from the exit wound explosively sprays out in an arc to the right front, up above the president's head, and below his chin. Look at the enlargement of frame 313 also provided.
86 posted on 11/22/2003 6:31:37 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: Wolfstar
"The way the president's head was bent forward and his body was somewhat slumped down and to the left after the shot to his back/throat, and so on."

You're right, I didn't pay attention to that. His head being slumped foward when hit would've produced a plane like the wax mock up shows.

87 posted on 11/22/2003 6:32:45 PM PST by Vigilantcitizen
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To: Wolfstar
Good job on the thread graphics, btw.
88 posted on 11/22/2003 6:33:31 PM PST by Vigilantcitizen
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To: Double Tap
Thanks for your very clear explanation, Double Tap.
89 posted on 11/22/2003 6:34:00 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: texasbluebell
You are most welcome.
90 posted on 11/22/2003 6:34:45 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: Az Joe
"He knew that if he was connected up to the rifle he was cooked. On other matters he told the truth, but on anything concerning the rifle he lied and that is a proven fact."

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Let me preface this by saying, you hear so many things and can't know what if any of it is true. I heard years ago that someone had expert marksmen attempt to shoot a rifle like that one as fast as they could. None of the experts could shoot it, cock it, shoot it, cock it...etc as fast as those shots rang out that day, let alone be accurate while they did it. It was a bolt action type from what I understand.

I was 7 years old and remember being let out of school early and my Grandmother was crying when I got home. We watched all the news reports and watched the funeral procession as it happened. My Grandmother kept a picture of him hanging in her living room until the day she moved into a nursing home.
91 posted on 11/22/2003 6:35:29 PM PST by gooleyman
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To: Wolfstar
Hmmm? But if you watch the film, JFK's head is thrown in a backward motion (at one point), how do you account for that ..??

And .. are you saying that the front shot through the neck was not fatal ..??
92 posted on 11/22/2003 6:36:11 PM PST by CyberAnt (America .. the LIGHT of the World)
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To: Wolfstar
Frame 312 is very interesting. It looks like there is something wrong as Jackie is turning towards him. That is before he was shot in the head.
93 posted on 11/22/2003 6:38:11 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn
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To: waRNmother.armyboots
If you had a shot coming from each direction .. you would need more than one person. Therefore .. 2 directional would blow their single person theory.
94 posted on 11/22/2003 6:38:37 PM PST by CyberAnt (America .. the LIGHT of the World)
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To: Vigilantcitizen
Thanks. I can accept that Oswald was the lone shooter. But I think, for me, what makes it hard to believe that he acted alone was the fact that Jack Ruby killed Oswald. I've heard the explanations for why and how that could have happened and yet not indicate a conspiracy. But two lone nuts each committing related big-time murders in the space of two or three days is one too many coincidences for my taste.
95 posted on 11/22/2003 6:39:42 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: martian_22
Thanks for the concise description.

Charm, wit and levity
Will win you in the start
But in the end it's brevity
That keeps the public's heart...

BTW Now that I think about it Connoly's bullet passed through his wrist and ended up in his thigh. It was found on his gurney after it fell out of the shallow thigh wound.

96 posted on 11/22/2003 6:40:14 PM PST by null and void (The evil is in plain sight, the danger increases with denial. - George W. Bush)
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To: CyberAnt; Double Tap
There was no front shot. The president was shot in the back and the bullet exited out the front of his neck. See autopsy photos above in this thread. The backward motion was addressed excellently and clearly by Double Tap in Post #83 above.
97 posted on 11/22/2003 6:43:03 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: wideminded
Work on the atomic bomb does not necessarily establish expertise in wound ballistics. I have extensive knowledge about Critical Nuclear Weapons Design and Deployment Information (CNWDDI) I was cleared for that level of security when I was in the USAF.

My opinion of the possibly faked autopsy photos (if they don't have an AFIP Official stamp, they're photoshop fakes) is that a tangential impact occured in the right frontal area and sliced off the right side of his head.

98 posted on 11/22/2003 6:45:43 PM PST by CholeraJoe (Daddy, how many US soldiers have to die in defense of Freedom? Daughter, if necessary, all but 9.)
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To: Steve Van Doorn
Frame 312 is the last frame before the head shot occurs. However, the president had already been shot in the back before that frame. The bullet had exited his throat just under the adams apple, and his hands had flown up to his throat.
99 posted on 11/22/2003 6:46:23 PM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: veronica
Interestingly, the caption for the last photo in the link at #40 claims the throat wound is an entry wound...
100 posted on 11/22/2003 6:46:42 PM PST by texasbluebell
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