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JFK's fatal head wound: The truth for those who want to know (very graphic)
jmasland.com & others | 11/22/03

Posted on 11/22/2003 5:10:59 PM PST by Wolfstar

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To: gooleyman
I don't why it won't work for you. I tried it and it worked. Try it again, or cut and paste this: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/route.htm
201 posted on 11/25/2003 3:32:36 PM PST by Tares
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To: mass55th
<i>should really make sure you are responding to the correct person's quote before going off half-cocked.</i>

You are correct, I was just trying to have a little fun, sorry I offended you.
202 posted on 11/25/2003 4:02:47 PM PST by itsahoot (The lesser of two evils, is evil still...Alan Keyes)
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To: Tares
"I don't why it won't work for you. I tried it and it worked. Try it again, or cut and paste this: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/route.htm"

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Thanks for the link. I got to it finally and read it. As I said when I posed that question, you hear so much especially about this case that you don't know what to believe. At least I can now throw that one away.

I certainly don't blindly believe the Warren Commission. My former congressman, Louis Stokes was on that committee and I know what a liar he is, so everything they say is suspect partially because of him. But also because of all the appearances of coverup, the magic bullet, etc. I suspect we will never know the full truth. For all we know, bits and pieces that we know may add up to the truth, but with so much B.S. flying around, how do we know what is and isn't true. Those who claim to know the whole truth are only kidding themselves.
203 posted on 11/25/2003 5:28:03 PM PST by gooleyman
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To: Wolfstar
I am open minded on the subject...

Looking at the blow-up of the blow-out, I see several things that need investigating.

First is the fact that the "flap" of skull that extends forward of the ear, carries much more tissue with it than is shown on the autopsy photos. Also the flap itself is much lower down on the skull than the flap is shown in the autopsy and extends from the right ear toward the orbit of the right eye... this ismuch lower down completely contrary to the depiction in the autopsy.

Secondly, there is a grayish area at the rear of the head that may represent hair being blown out of the way by the entry of a bullet. However, the gray is inconsistent with any other areas of hair color, regardless of the angle the sunlight strikes it. I wonder if anyone has done any digital color comparison checking on that gray area... it does NOT match any colors I see with my eyes in the blow-up It. It doesn't match hair, skull, flesh, or anything else that should be there. Is it an artifact? Could it be a deformed lead bullet?

Thirdly, there appears to be a flap of skull starting to extend out of the back of the head (look at the area below Jackie's chin) that MIGHT correspond to some of the autopsy photos where we see a flap of skull edge on just in that position. This flap may represent an exit wound from a frontal shot.

There have been theories that the head exploded because TWO bullets struck simultaneously... one from the rear and one from the front.

Speaking of exposives, your use of the phrase "...due to the explosive force of the bullet exiting out the right-front of the skull..." is interesting. Observing the proposed rear entrance, front exit trajectory, and the fact the autopy doctors identify a curved arc that could be an "exit" wound on the skull, the position of Kennedy at the moment of the killing shot, would lead me to believe the bullet or fragments thereof, would have impacted INSIDE the limosine In fact, the wax dummy figure and many of the diagrams show a straight through trajectory that would have hit somewhere IN the car. Where are they? Where is the bullet hole in the car? Where are the fragments imbeded in the seats or in Connely, or the SS agents in the front seats? Curious.

204 posted on 11/25/2003 5:33:01 PM PST by Swordmaker
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To: CholeraJoe; Ophiucus
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205 posted on 11/25/2003 5:50:21 PM PST by Swordmaker
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To: Swordmaker
In fact, the wax dummy figure and many of the diagrams show a straight through trajectory that would have hit somewhere IN the car. Where are they? Where is the bullet hole in the car? Where are the fragments imbeded in the seats or in Connely, or the SS agents in the front seats? Curious.

Two fragments were found inside the limo. The winshield was cracked from the inside, and a piece of chrome along the windshield (on the inside) was dented. Fragments in Limo

206 posted on 11/25/2003 5:52:22 PM PST by Tares
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To: Swordmaker
An exit wound from the throat would bleed a great deal, I would think

Generally, yes, but it would depend on the trajectory, cavitation, and exit. Any arterial damage would result in a spurting spray, venous would be a more slow oozing. Somewhat rarely, a clean through and through of soft tissue leaves little outside damage and has less bleeding than expected.

In Kennedy's case, the throat wound was assessed as an entrance wound in the ER and was in perfect placement for a tracheal tube. Not surprisingly, this is a trained procedure. If there is a clear opening to the trachea, it is used for insertion rather than making a new incision.

The surgeons reported an approx. half a centimeter round hole that was only opened slightly for tube insertion (perhaps 1 to 1.5 cm).

There was some bleeding on the shirt around the hole in the shirt (in the one photograph I have seen) but given the ER description and the size of this hole, and since the bullet would have torn apart some of the cartilage u-shaped rings of the trachea, I would have surmised a possible entry wound and would have quickly palpated cervical vertebrae level of the back of the neck down to the upper thoracic vertebra level (as much as could be reached) looking for an exit wound.

Check out the photo of the back entry wound:

There is a major problem with this picture. The autopsy figures for wound placement were measured form the right mastoid process. So where is this ruler measuring from? There are no obvious or standard anatomical landmarks there. The ruler isn't in line with spine or even parallel so the spinous processes aren't being used.

Odd point for the conspiracy side - some have claimed the ruler is covering another wound that was reported by the FBI.

207 posted on 11/25/2003 7:52:52 PM PST by Ophiucus
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To: Swordmaker
The radiograph's (don't call them x-rays, since x-rays are invisible to the human eye) indicate an anterior-posterior projectile trajectory. Metal fragments are visible inside the brain and in the chest film purported to be of JFK. The so called, "pristine bullet" is unbelievable.

I saw a pic of it on the Hitler Channel the other night and there is no way it went through two chests, a forearm, (hitting a bone) and a thigh and came out intact.

The tissue attached to the flap is undoubtedly brain tissue that fell off and was hosed out later. The rear of the limo and a motorcycle patrolman were covered with blood and brain/skull fragments. It cannot be totally explained by the speed of the motorcade.

I know enough about ballistics to state that solids penetrate and hollow points explode. I'm not a pathologist but I've spent 10,000 hours in trauma situations, including battlefield conditions.

208 posted on 11/25/2003 7:58:43 PM PST by CholeraJoe (Daddy, how many US soldiers have to die in defense of Freedom? Daughter, if necessary, all but 9.)
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To: gdc61
"...i find it hard to believe these guys were experts. 8 seconds is a long time...i honestly believe i could duplicate those shots."

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My understanding is that the time it took to fire all three shots was 5.6 seconds. Does that change your mind about being able to do it at that distance under those conditions? It would mine, but then I've never shot a rifle, only handguns.
209 posted on 11/25/2003 8:11:30 PM PST by gooleyman
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To: Swordmaker; Wolfstar
Looking at a blowup of one frame of a digital rendering of a sometime in focus, sometime out of focus home movie film...and what is expected to be seen?

What I can clearly make out:

What I can guess at:

What seems to be missing:

That is not a facetious list. Many errors can occur if you try to see too much in a blurred image. Based on this image alone, it does look like an avulsion might have occurred and could have been a tangential shot from either direction.

Swordmaker, as to the autopsy photos that linked, you left an important one out. Does your link have the photo of the full face view, from the right and above Kennedy as he lay on the table? Reason I asked because there have been written accounts and posts on this thread about how the zygomatic process was supposedly crushed as part of the exit wounding. I can't see it but I just have a small hardcopy in a book. Also, the errors in the photo/x-ray invoices were made the night they were taken not three years later, otherwise, I could understand....maybe.

In leaving tonight, my wish list would be that Kennedy's body had stayed in Dallas for a criminal forensic pathologist team to do the autopsy, that the FBI agents assigned to remain with the body to preserve the chain of evidence hadn't been initially barred from the Bethesda autopsy and then asked to leave during for the radiographs and delayed in returning, that the autopsy, records, and testimony hadn't been so sloppy in crucial parts. If an A-1 criminal team had put together a more ordered investigation, there wouldn't have been room for doubt, misinterpretation, etc.

Other than that - it's getting late and have a happy Turkey Day all.

210 posted on 11/25/2003 9:24:05 PM PST by Ophiucus
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To: CholeraJoe
I know enough about ballistics to state that solids penetrate and hollow points explode.

I am not a pathologist but I ran a gun shop for a number of years. Guns are just sophisticated rock throwers.

In actual fact, hollow points don't necessarily "explode" they merely increase their cross sectional density on striking and penetrating the target by expanding larger than the original bore diameter. This has several effects:

First the bullet becomes larger and a larger hole can do more damage.

Second, the projectile will slow down faster because more target material is impacted so more of the momentum of the projectile will be transferred to more material.

Third, the projectile will have less of a tendency to penetrate and pass through the intended target to hit unintended innocents standing behind the target. A bullet that passes through the target is inefficient because it still has unexpended energy that was not been applied to the intended target.

Hollow points are designed to increase "stopping power" or, alternately, to transfer more of the energy contained in the moving bullet as momentum to the intended target.

If you want explosive effects, an interesting explosive effect can be created by putting Fulminate of Mercury in the hollow of the bullet...

Frangible bullets are designed to break apart and do as much damage as possible. They are designed more to kill than to "stop."

Solid bullets are designed to wound a target. Killing is an undesirable side effect. A wounded soldier removes THREE enemies (one injured, two to carry him) from the battle.

211 posted on 11/25/2003 9:48:17 PM PST by Swordmaker
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To: Ophiucus
Swordmaker, as to the autopsy photos that linked, you left an important one out. Does your link have the photo of the full face view, from the right and above Kennedy as he lay on the table? Reason I asked because there have been written accounts and posts on this thread about how the zygomatic process was supposedly crushed as part of the exit wounding. I can't see it but I just have a small hardcopy in a book. Also, the errors in the photo/x-ray invoices were made the night they were taken not three years later, otherwise, I could understand....maybe.

Hi-Rez picture of the autopsy "death stare"

If the Zapruder film shows the damage going toward the orbit of the eye, I would expect to see some tearing of the skin on the forehead or side of the head. I don't.

212 posted on 11/25/2003 10:00:00 PM PST by Swordmaker
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To: Wolfstar
Wait a minute, the bullet that killed the President disintergrated in his head, but the bullet from the same gun that hit the Pres in the back then changed directions and came up and out of his body, changed directions again and entered the Govs body, bounced off a rib and a wrist bone and went through his leg was found intact on his stretcher at the hospital. Oswald should have bought all his bullets from the man who sold him the first one. He got gipped on that second one. Talk about a lack of quality control at the ammo factory.
213 posted on 11/25/2003 10:36:42 PM PST by redangus
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To: Ophiucus
The Zfilm does not show that unless of course it has been altered. And why would he be slumped over if he had not already been shot, which of course requires still another bullet?
214 posted on 11/25/2003 10:56:08 PM PST by redangus
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To: Ophiucus; Swordmaker
Generally, yes, but it would depend on the trajectory, cavitation, and exit. Any arterial damage would result in a spurting spray, venous would be a more slow oozing. Somewhat rarely, a clean through and through of soft tissue leaves little outside damage and has less bleeding than expected.

Continued heavy bleeding would also largely depend on the subject remaining alive, no? Once Kennedy got hit by that head shot (regardless of which direction one wishes to believe it came from) that was his moment of death, regardless of when they got around to "making time of death official".

215 posted on 11/25/2003 11:09:31 PM PST by Timesink (I'm not a big fan of electronic stuff, you know? Beeps ... beeps freak me out. They're bad.)
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To: Wolfstar
((ping))

This is the thread I mentioned.
Let me know what you think.
216 posted on 11/25/2003 11:27:10 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: ntnychik
(Oops, wrong party. Try this again...))

((ping))

This is the thread I mentioned.
Let me know what you think.
217 posted on 11/25/2003 11:29:47 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Timesink
Good point. My viewpoint is that JFK died the moment half his brain went flying over Dealey Plaze, not when some doctor pronounced him "dead."
218 posted on 11/26/2003 1:20:13 AM PST by Swordmaker
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To: Ophiucus; Swordmaker; CholeraJoe
Just a quick post to say thanks to both of you for your intelligent, reasoned and reasonable posts. Ophiucus, thanks especially to you for providing the clinical analysis I was trying to encourage CholeraJoe to offer. Such information is educational, adds to our greater understanding, and provides a basis to advance the dialogue.

I want to take up several of the points you and Swordmaker made, but it will have to wait until later this afternoon. It's circa 10:30am Pacific time and, although I'm off through the weekend, I have an office lunch to get to by 11:30.

I'll just conclude this post with two points: Acknowledging the truth about any point of detail regarding the assassination does not preclude a conspiracy. If you watch the Zapruder film in real time and in slow motion, as I have many times, there is no doubt whatsoever that the upper right front of Kennedy's head explodes outward toward the right front, and upward. And yes, I'm emphasizing "explodes" and "explosive" over and over again in this thread because that is exactly what happened. I posted the full sequence of Zapruder frames so people could see for themselves as much as is possible without seeing the motion.

219 posted on 11/26/2003 10:49:26 AM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: Swordmaker
I would expect to see some tearing of the skin on the forehead or side of the head. I don't.

I would too unless this photograph was taken after any avulsion of the scalp and damaged underlying tissue/bone had been 'put back in place' beforehand. Before-after pics with half missing.

Which goes back to my main problem, failings in documentation. Better evidence would have eliminated so many questions...and put part of the publishing industry out of business.

220 posted on 11/26/2003 5:14:44 PM PST by Ophiucus
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To: redangus
I don't think the film was altered. From what I understand the conspiracy arguments against the film are that frames where switched and that the film was developed at the firm that developed film for the CIA.

I do consider the possibility of more shots than accounted. The single bullet theory is laughable, in my opinion. I would like to see an analysis of Connelly, the film, and damage to the degree of Kennedy. All I have seen is a theory about a magic bullet and defense of that theory that doesn't convince me. Connelly getting hit more than once would account for his injuries easily.

221 posted on 11/26/2003 5:22:17 PM PST by Ophiucus
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To: Timesink
Continued heavy bleeding would also largely depend on the subject remaining alive, no?

Basically. Some bleeding can occur afterwards but not "heavey bleeding," usually.

Once Kennedy got hit by that head shot (regardless of which direction one wishes to believe it came from) that was his moment of death

As a practical comment - ok, but not really. Essentially, death doesn't occur until the heart has stopped and resuscitation efforts fail (many states include the absence of brain activity for the official definition). Was Kennedy a goner with the head shot, yep, but you don't give up.

222 posted on 11/26/2003 5:42:11 PM PST by Ophiucus
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To: Wolfstar
thanks to both of you for your intelligent, reasoned and reasonable posts.

Thanks - that's part of the fun of Free Republic.

223 posted on 11/26/2003 6:08:08 PM PST by Ophiucus
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To: gooleyman
every mention of time i've seen refers to 8 seconds. Oswald most likely saw the fatal hit and stopped shooting. From watching the films i'd guess he had even more time than that.
224 posted on 11/26/2003 8:38:48 PM PST by gdc61
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To: gdc61
the italian bolt action 6.5mm carcano holds 5 bullets in a push-through clip that when empty is ejected from the bottom of the rifle by a new 5 round clip inserted in the top. i have never heard whether or not they found any left over ammo but i would assume he would have had a full clip when he started and only stopped firing when he saw the fatal shot.
225 posted on 11/26/2003 9:14:16 PM PST by gdc61
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To: waRNmother.armyboots
The Zapruder film (never in dispute in any quarter to my knowledge)obviously shows Kennedy's head exploding, so autopsy photos showing a small entrance wound are, to put it mildly, irrelevant.
226 posted on 11/27/2003 9:44:18 AM PST by luvbach1
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To: martian_22
anyone with a brain that could think for themselves for 1 minute!
227 posted on 11/30/2003 11:13:57 AM PST by chicagolady (I stuff my turkey with refried beans)
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To: Ex-Dem
Why wasn't the car full of matter then.
The seat area in front of JFK should have been full of brain matter not the trunk area.
Why didn't jackie have her dress full of matter then?
If the apple was not stationary it would have followed the bullet just as JFK's head did. Back and to the left.
There is no way the apple would go toward the direction the bullet came from.
What is it with this propulsive force of the spray.
There is no force exerted by the spray to counteract a bullet traveling at 2000fps with mass of 160 grains.
If there is please explain where it comes from.
228 posted on 12/01/2003 11:23:04 AM PST by chuckwalla
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To: Wolfstar
How can you say that. Basic physics and the concept of energy and force shows that the fatal head shot came from either the front or the side. I am a chemical engineer and I have yet to see a line of momentum go any other direction than 180 degrees of the originating force. His head does not move from back to front but from right to left. Physics 101. I hit you in the face. Your head moves back not forward. There was more then one shooter. Now from there is another story.
229 posted on 12/01/2003 6:43:56 PM PST by DCCoolBreeze
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To: Az Joe
Whackos??? Oswald could not have caused the final fatal shot. It is physically impossible. The head moved from right to left; thus establishing a force directed from right to left ( or partially front-right to back-left). It is scientifically impossible for a bullet to come from behind and cause the head to move from right to left. IMPOSSIBLE. Now this proves their were more then one shooter. The bullet that went through Kennedy's neck was from the rear.

Now who the other shooter was and his/her purpose is all speculation. That will probably be always unknown but there e is no doubt that there was more than one shooter. PERIOD. Physics 101 Pal.

I can see it now. I hit you in the face and your head jets forward...yah right. I shoot a can on a post and the can jets forward not backwards. I hit a tennis ball and it goes toward my racket instead of away from my rack. I hit a stationary golfball. It goes backwards instead of forward...makes sense to me...plenty of real-life examples...
230 posted on 12/01/2003 6:55:58 PM PST by DCCoolBreeze
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To: Swordmaker
I wondered about that "gray area" at the base of JFK's head, too. After repeatedly watching Lancey Howard's film loop + the Oct. '64 Life Magazine photos, I believe what is seen is Mrs. Kennedy's glove as she wraps her arms around her husband's neck.
231 posted on 12/01/2003 8:11:21 PM PST by ntnychik
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To: DCCoolBreeze
no...No....NO!!!

On the Zapruder film JFK's head moves forward several inches because of the impact of the bullet from the rear and only THEN does it move backward and to his left. That was because of the neuro-muscular spasm that occurred and the "jet effect" of his head contents spraying out TO THE FRONT!

If he was hit from the front or the side where is the exit wound? Huh?! HUH??!!
232 posted on 12/01/2003 9:38:45 PM PST by Az Joe
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To: Az Joe
yes yes yes...I do not see his head move forward; however, I will watch the video again. What I see is Kennedy who has been shot in the throat leaning forward when the last shot hit him. His head then jets sideways. In reference to the location of the exit wound, where is the gaping hole in the front of his head. Had he been shot from behind, there would have been a gapping hole in the front of his head. I am a chemical engineer (physics knowledge) who served in an Army combat arms unit (infantry experience). I have seen the results of a bullet to the head. Depending on the caliber of the round and the velocity of the bullet, the results will very; however, given the caliber and speed of the round in this case, the round would have blown a large hole in the exit wound on any "hard" surface. There is no large wound on either the front or the back of the head. This should be of concern to anyone who is familiar with ballistics. The exit wound in the neck is what would be expected since the neck is primarily soft tissue.

If you talk with anyone with a CSI background, you will learn that the "splatter" will go in all directions with the majority moving in the same direction of the force. If you watch someone do a cannonball in the pool at an angle. You will see some splash to the rear but most will be to the front where the momentum is directed. What about the "jet effect" to the rear where Mrs. Kennedy was picking up material? What was that from??

Finally, I believe with the information we have today, we can state positively that there was more than one shooter. Where the speculation comes in is who did it. I believe that this we may never know. You hear all sorts of speculation...but that is just what it is speculation.
233 posted on 12/02/2003 5:44:10 AM PST by DCCoolBreeze
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To: DCCoolBreeze
Not convinced. His head DOES move forward. There is evidence of an entrance wound in the back of the head.
234 posted on 12/02/2003 10:07:39 AM PST by Az Joe
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To: Petronski
Back, and to the left.

After he got one in the back, but not the one that got Governor Connally, or damaged the windshield.


235 posted on 12/04/2003 12:08:22 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: tpaine
Why only three rounds in the rifle, there no others in the magazine? There was never a box of bullets found matching in Olswalds possessions.

When and where did he site in the scope?

Downhill and moving away has always been considered a tough shot.

I have noted that on all the recreations lately, the scope never leaves the target, which is not true to life.
236 posted on 12/15/2003 11:01:47 PM PST by razorback-bert
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To: Wolfstar
I agree. The police ran up the grassy knoll and there was no one up there, no one running away from the fence, no smell of firearm discharge, no casings...

That has always been a difficulty for those trying to sell the idea of a grassy knoll shooter. I thought the X-Files offered a (quite fictional) way around that difficulty by putting the assassin inside that drainage thing on the knoll itself, but of course I'm not too sure that didn't come out of the paranoi- er, conspiracy literature.

I was amused by a book I saw at the enormous chain bookstore the other day. I started to read a chapter I selected from the TOC, and found a guy ranting about how a 6.5 millimeter fragment wasn't removed from what was left of the brain tissue, as if it were significant.
237 posted on 01/09/2004 8:48:47 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Weblogs are for people with short attention spans.)
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To: Wolfstar
I agree. The police ran up the grassy knoll and there was no one up there, no one running away from the fence, no smell of firearm discharge, no casings...

That has always been a difficulty for those trying to sell the idea of a grassy knoll shooter. I thought the X-Files offered a (quite fictional) way around that difficulty by putting the assassin inside that drainage thing on the knoll itself, but of course I'm not too sure that didn't come out of the paranoi- er, conspiracy literature.

I was amused by a book I saw at the enormous chain bookstore the other day. I started to read a chapter I selected from the TOC, and found a guy ranting about how a 6.5 millimeter fragment wasn't removed from what was left of the brain tissue, as if it were significant.
238 posted on 01/09/2004 8:48:54 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Weblogs are for people with short attention spans.)
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To: martian_22
Yeah, JFK was hit from behind, not by Lee Harvey Oswald, by a shooter firing from the county records building, using two shots (JFK rocked a little in his seat because of his back trouble, and the first shot went a little awry, striking the president and then the governor, as the Zapruder film shows), and the whole thing was arranged by LHO's employer, Carlos Marcello. For an interview with the shooter, see Hugh McDonald's book of the mid-1970s.
239 posted on 01/09/2004 8:59:20 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Boom boom, out go the lights)
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To: OldFriend
And the brains were on the back of the car because...
Never seen Gallagher live?
240 posted on 01/09/2004 9:02:19 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I was out of town when that happened)
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To: veronica
I have a new theory. The last photo at your link says an entry wound through the throat. Therefore I say that Connelly concealed a gun under his arm and shot backwards up into the throat of the President, because he either didn't like assh@les from Massachusetts or wanted another Texan to be president. Then shot himself in the elbow or whatever he got shot in to provide a coverup. The SS agent, running to the back of the car, thought he heard shots coming from the car, and figured Jackie had shot John for screwing Marilyn.
241 posted on 01/09/2004 11:30:33 AM PST by GigaDittos (Bumper sticker: "Vote Democrat, it's easier than getting a job.")
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To: SunkenCiv
I'm amazed this thread is still going. They call me crazy 'cause I think there was an organized conspiracy in the JFK assassination project.

If I'd only believe in Arlen, life would be so much simpler. But I don't...

242 posted on 01/09/2004 3:10:26 PM PST by martian_22 (Not proven my a$$!)
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To: GigaDittos
Here's an old one:
Thank you Dallas, good night!

243 posted on 01/10/2004 1:35:09 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://seriss.com/people/erco/oswald.html)
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Google

244 posted on 11/24/2004 5:27:22 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: Wolfstar
This is just a comment. I went to the web site "SECRETS OF A HOMICIDE" by Dale K. Myers and printed out entrance wound and exit wound "cartoon characters" of JFK the cut out the entrance wound and traced it over the exit wound. To my shock the trajectory of the bullet seems to be traveling at a downward angle from the throat to the back at about 10 degrees. Remembering that Mr. Myers entire idea is to prove the opposite. If this is so why didn't he put the who thing togeather. At least I had the intelligence to do this. Although I am far from an expert one has to examine the details of any theory so thus far with his OWN EVIDENCE the contrary seems to be my conclusion.
245 posted on 01/02/2005 10:19:17 AM PST by marksw (JFK's throat wound.)
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To: marksw
Happy New Year, marksw. Interesting that you found and revived this thread. When I was a kid, I believed wholeheartedly that JFK's assassination was carried out by a conspiracy. It was only after some of the autopsy photos became public -- and I was a much better educated and informed adult -- that what's on the Zapruder film became obvious to me.

It unmistakably shows that the right front portion of JFK's head explodes outward and upward. It is a massive exit wound. The fatal shot came from somewhere behind JFK. Once I realized that the cottage industry that had sprung up about the assassination was essentially lying to me, it became much hard to trust any conspiracy theory.

246 posted on 01/02/2005 11:58:36 AM PST by Wolfstar (Where are you, Miss Beazley?)
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I just want to say that i really agree with what a lot of you are saying. I believe that Oswald was the only shooter, and obviously shot Kennedy from behind. I don't really believe there was any sort of conspiracy, i think that the evidence speaks for itself. When you look at the Nix film, it's a lot easier to see the president's lean back after the head shot, so it makes sense that the shot came from behind. I'm writing a term paper on the assassination and reading a bit of what has been posted before seems logical and sensible, not thrown around and played with.
Our president was shot dead, that is a huge tragedy, it's something that people should make stories up about or demand that we lie about evidence to make it seem like there was a conspiracy. I've read all about these conspiracy theories; they all question every little thing, trying to make it look like there had to have been a conspiracy.
I just have one question:
Did the assassination make JFK look like a better president than he was thought to be?
247 posted on 02/22/2005 3:49:50 PM PST by sarahk
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I just want to say that i really agree with what a lot of you are saying.

Thanks. And may I congratulate you on studying the evidence you can see with your own eyes, then reasoning out the obvious truth, rather than succumbing to the easy way out. Letting conspiracy theorists (whose theories often conflict with each other) do your thinking for you is the easy way out.

Did the assassination make JFK look like a better president than he was thought to be?

Yes. John F. Kennedy was in office from Jan. 20, 1961 to Nov. 22, 1963, or just a little under three full years. He didn't have the opportunity to govern for a full term, let alone to run for a second term. Given that several months of a president's first year is consumed by various appointments (cabinet, sub-cabinet, agencies, ambassadors, White House staff, etc.), JFK didn't have much time to build a record for good or ill.

Separating the real man and his presidency from the myth that mostly liberal, Democrat journalists and biographers (to say nothing of the cottage industry of conspiracy theorists) have build up about JFK is difficult. In reality, the man's presidency ranks somewhere in the mid-level to lower third of all presidencies.

On the positive side, his rhetorical skills were among the best of post-WWII presidents. He is remembered for that one line in his inaugural address (Ask not...), as well as for his speech challenging the U.S. to put a man on the moon before the decade of the 1960's ended.

One might also say that the peaceful resolution of the Cuban Missile Crisis was also a positive accomplishment. However, his betrayal of Cuban freedom fighters at the Bay of Pigs, and his CIA's attempt to assassinate Fidel Castro led to Castro inviting the Soviets into Cuba. There would have been no missile crisis if Kennedy had handled the Cuban matter better from the start.

JFK's foreign policy was a disaster, one that very nearly led to a nuclear war between the Soviets and the U.S. Kennedy's muddled interference in the political affairs of South Vietnam, and his initial build-up of the American presence there, set the stage for Lyndon Johnson to vastly increase our military role after JFK's death.

Kennedy's first foreign policy blunder was the betrayal of the Cubans at the Bay of Pigs in April 1961, followed by imposition of a strict trade embargo on Cuba, which led to food rationing on the island in March 1962.

JFK's second big foreign policy blunder occured in August 1961 as he stood by and failed to respond while the Soviet Union built the Berlin Wall. The leader of the Soviet Union at the time, Nikita Khruschev, was a tough, cunning politician who had risen to the top of the Communist Party ranks unders Stalin. To put it bluntly, he thought he was dealing with a dumb, naive boob in JFK. So he decided to see just how far he could press the American president.

On May 29, 1962, a high-level Soviet delegation that included Marshal S. S. Biryuzov, commander of the Strategic Rocket Forces, and a high-level delegation, arrived secretly in Havana to suggest the deployment of nuclear weapons in Cuba. Castro, dealing with food rationing, a restive populace, and fear of CIA plots to kill him, jumped at the chance for Soviet assistance and protection.

October 14, 1962, the Cuban Missile Crisis begins when U.S. reconnaissance aircraft photograph Soviet construction of intermediate-range missile sites in Cuba. President Kennedy demands the withdrawal of Soviet missiles and imposes a naval blockade. Khrushchev agrees on condition that Cuba receives guarantee of non-aggression from the U.S. and Jupiter missiles aimed at the Soviet Union are removed from Turkey. Kennedy agrees. Khruschev blieves he has won a significant victory and he is right.

The Soviets maintain their influence in Cuba until the collapse of the Soviet Union. Their influence spreads to the Middle East and Africa, and Castro helps spread communism to Central and South America. Worse, Kennedy was preparing to totally cave in to Castro and the Soviets when his asassination intervened. On November 17, 1963, just days before his death, Kennedy asked French journalist Jean Daniel to tell Castro that he was ready to negotiate normal relations and drop the embargo. According to former JFK Press Secretary Pierre Salinger, "If Kennedy had lived I am confident that he would have negotiated that agreement and dropped the embargo, because he was upset with the way the Soviet Union was playing a strong role in Cuba and Latin America."

On the domestic front, modern conservatives like Rush Limbaugh enjoy pointing to Kennedy's income tax cut as a way to reinforce the benefit of tax cuts. However, that glosses over the negatives of Kennedy's domestic policy. Under Kennedy, the feds acquired intrusive new powers to snoop into the bank accounts of every American. For the first time, banks were required to report interest payments to the feds, and initial attempts were made to tax interest on bank accounts.

I'm not certain, but I believe Kennedy also signed the law that forced banks to report all withdrawals over $10,000 cash to the feds. (It's possible this latter intrusion into our privacy and personal property by the feds came later, although I don't have time to research it now.)

Hope all of this helps.

248 posted on 02/22/2005 5:01:36 PM PST by Wolfstar (If you can lead, do it. If you can't, follow. If you can't do either, become a Democrat.)
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249 posted on 06/01/2005 12:37:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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250 posted on 12/13/2006 7:40:42 PM PST by southland (proverbs 22:7)
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