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Posted on 12/23/2003 9:25:31 AM PST by P-Marlowe

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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Bradshaw did not know he had AD until after he retired from playing football.
421 posted on 12/26/2003 10:00:46 AM PST by connectthedots
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Personally, I don't believe the condition exists at all. It's an excuse for a dozen bad habits and untrained minds, and an opportunity for more medications to be shoved down the throats of a duped public and innocent children.

Actually, you would be surprised at the number of people with ADD on FR, and they are some of the most intelligent, bright; and funny posters.

422 posted on 12/26/2003 10:03:48 AM PST by connectthedots
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To: nobdysfool
I don't particularly care if CTD wants to consider it an advantage, because nothing comes without price.

Everyone has advantaqges and disadvantages. While ADD certainly does have advantages when not acompanied by other conditions, there are some disadvantages as well. The key is to have methods to maximize the advantages and minimize the impact of the disadvantages when organizing ones life, relationships, and careers. But then that is also true of people who don't have ADD.

423 posted on 12/26/2003 10:11:08 AM PST by connectthedots
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To: scripter; drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; Jerry_M; Dr. Eckleburg
I don't think that elevating the frequency of occurance over clarity is proper hermeneutics.

If we take that route and come to your conclusion, then the clear, unambiguous statements in Numbers 23:19 and 1 Samuel 15:29 are just flat out wrong.

Furthermore, suggesting that God has "changed his mind" necessarily implies that God has done something which he did not know he was going to do. You are left with denying the omniscience of God.

This is precisely the position that the Open Theology advocates take to deny God's omniscience. In order to "sound" orthodox, they redefine "omniscience" to be "God knows all that can be known.

Furthermore, emphasizing the frequency of occurance is akin to the logical error of "appeal to the majority".

Jean

424 posted on 12/26/2003 10:16:10 AM PST by Jean Chauvin (If God foreknew how and when he would change his mind -then he did NOT changed his mind.)
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To: Jean Chauvin
If the Heidelberg Catechism "misconstrues the Bible on the topic", then I take it you agree with me that the Heidelberg Catechism does indeed teach that God pre-ordains all the sins of all men.

I think I was pretty clear when I stated that based on the HC Q&A alone, a reasonable person could reach your conclusion. I was also clear that I think that such a construction either goes too far or the HC Q&A is deficient in the scope of the answer.

425 posted on 12/26/2003 10:16:36 AM PST by connectthedots
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To: Jean Chauvin
I'm not going to say Numbers 23:19 and 1 Samuel 15:29 are just flat out wrong, just that we don't fully understand how it all fits. I think using the entire Bible to interpret the Bible and reading the verses in context is the best method to interpret it.

That means I don't think elevating a specific theology over the entire Bible without using the entire Bible to define that theology is proper hermeneutics. I'm not adhering to any specific theology, just using the entire Bible to understand what God wants us to know.

426 posted on 12/26/2003 10:27:08 AM PST by scripter (The validity of faith is linked to its object)
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To: drstevej
Moose, cool the rhetoric.

I only accept Papal Decrees. What did you do with Pope Piel?

427 posted on 12/26/2003 10:41:16 AM PST by Dr Warmoose (From the Torquemada Chair of Tolerance)
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To: connectthedots
Actually, you would be surprised at the number of people with ADD on FR, and they are some of the most intelligent, bright; and funny posters.

But do they have guns? The kids at Columbine had guns and ADD drugs.

BTW, Is it true that those who have been on the mood altering drug Ritalin are ineligible to join the US Marines? I heard that, and someone else added that it is not possible to get a pilot's license if one has a history of using that kind of drug.

428 posted on 12/26/2003 10:44:12 AM PST by Dr Warmoose (From the Torquemada Chair of Tolerance)
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To: Dr Warmoose
Pope Piel...
knows when you've been posting,
he knows when you spew hate,
he knows if you've been bad or good,
so be good for Popie's sake.
429 posted on 12/26/2003 10:47:17 AM PST by drstevej
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To: connectthedots
"I was also clear that I think that such a construction either goes too far"

How do you think that it would be going "too far"?

Jean

430 posted on 12/26/2003 10:49:24 AM PST by Jean Chauvin (If God foreknew how and when he would change his mind -then he did NOT changed his mind.)
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To: xzins
I asked Dr Warmoose what his reason for posting to this forum was.

Oh my. You actually took this seriously. (The "demonic religion" part wasn't over-the-top enough to set off the BS detectors? -and the "metaphor...2x4" didn't do it either?)
Oh my.

[Running up to recalibrate the "childish guillibility" bias on the rhetoric machine.]

431 posted on 12/26/2003 10:56:25 AM PST by Dr Warmoose (From the Torquemada Chair of Tolerance)
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To: drstevej; Dr Warmoose; xzins
Moose, cool the rhetoric.

That's not rehtoric dr steve.

The question was: "Before God and this company of believers, what is your purpose in posting to this forum?

His reply is his statement before God. That is exactly why he is here. Unless he's lying before God, that is his purpose for posting and his reason for being here.

His answer stands. If he is sorry for it, then he will have to apologize to God for lying on the thread. I don't think he was lying. Those are his true sentiments. I would suspect that Dr. Warmoose would equally question the validity of the committment to God of any Calvinist who would pander at all to any of us non-Calvinists. I'm sure he despises the "pandering" that some of you GRPL's do (such as actually believing that any Arminian could possibly be saved) as much as he despises our "anthropocentric" theology. If you don't think so, ask him. I won't bother. He's your poster boy, not mine.

Feel free to disavow him. But don't expect to reason with him.

432 posted on 12/26/2003 11:00:37 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Dr Warmoose; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; jude24; AZhardliner; Alex Murphy; ...
As GRPL Thread Pope, I hereby designate you as the GRPL Mascot (Our GRPL Pit-Moose).

Obedience training will be scheduled shortly.
433 posted on 12/26/2003 11:04:25 AM PST by drstevej
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To: P-Marlowe
I don't think I solicited your analysis, counselor.
434 posted on 12/26/2003 11:07:05 AM PST by drstevej
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To: P-Marlowe
His reply is his statement before God

Clues for the Clueless:
(1) Both you and XZins are not God. (though your soteriology infers this claim)
(2) Every man will make account on the day of judgement for each idle word spoken (Matt 12:36)
(3) Neither you or XZins cannot put himself in the position of judging another man's heart.
(4) XZins also makes himself a poster-child for the Luke 6:42 Principle.
(5) Calling down your god as if He was your personal servant to officiate your personal problems with others is profane and insulting.

You folks remind me of the Demoncats who maintain double standards. Now you are demanding that the GRPL act like cowering GOP politicians.

435 posted on 12/26/2003 11:22:44 AM PST by Dr Warmoose (From the Torquemada Chair of Tolerance)
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To: P-Marlowe
But don't expect to reason with him

You haven't reasoned with anyone here, why should you declare to not do something that you haven't yet done?

This is all very odd and confusing.

436 posted on 12/26/2003 11:24:43 AM PST by Dr Warmoose (From the Torquemada Chair of Tolerance)
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To: drstevej
Charge the cattle prod.
437 posted on 12/26/2003 11:26:01 AM PST by snerkel
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To: drstevej
Obedience training will be scheduled shortly.

I respond better to "moose"cartoons - preferably of the scatological kind.

438 posted on 12/26/2003 11:26:17 AM PST by Dr Warmoose (From the Torquemada Chair of Tolerance)
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To: drstevej
I just went outside for the first time in days. Nice weather today.
439 posted on 12/26/2003 11:34:52 AM PST by scripter (The validity of faith is linked to its object)
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To: snerkel
Charge the cattle prod

I believe the Biblical tool is the Rod O' Correction®

440 posted on 12/26/2003 11:42:53 AM PST by Dr Warmoose (From the Torquemada Chair of Tolerance)
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